Jim Carroll

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This thing about venues, times and curfews

Last week, as sometimes happens, a post about one thing quickly became about something else entirely. In this case, a post about how fans across Europe were abandoning dinasour and heritage acts became, via reader comments, a tirade by folks …

Mon, Jul 2, 2007, 12:56


Last week, as sometimes happens, a post about one thing quickly became about something else entirely. In this case, a post about how fans across Europe were abandoning dinasour and heritage acts became, via reader comments, a tirade by folks wondering why so many venues can’t get the simple basic notion of time-keeping right.

Eric started off, peeved by what happened at a Ted Leo gig in Dublin’s Crawdaddy

Why is it that headliners only get to play short sets (particularly in smaller venues)? I was at Ted Leo in Crawdaddy last night and as soon as he came on he told us that they had a tight deadline – there was another show after his. So, he only played for just under an hour.

I don’t have a problem if the band only wants to play a short set. But there are bands like TL & the Pharmacists that don’t get to come to Ireland that often and that are happy to play longer sets but are scheduled to come on late and with a fixed stop time. This seems to happen in Whelan’s too… shows start late and then the act we came to see gets cut short. Some of these bands we only get to see every few years, after all.

Last night, doors opened at 8 but there were two support acts so Ted Leo didn’t come on until 10 and had to be gone by 11. Why? Is it the venue or the promoter that’s to blame?

Aidan reported from Paris on what was turning out to be a bad week for Ted Leo

Their scheduled concert sold poorly and was cancelled, so they were moved to a band night (at a venue with no entry charge) where they were middle of the bill. So, they had to play a HALF HOUR set in front of a sparse Monday-night crowd, then get off for the final band to come on.

Nicola gave us the word from Galway

More and more venues are now putting strict curfews in place in order that the dj after wards will have enough time to play a full set. One particular venue in Galway has put this curfew in place just recently- Redneck Manifesto played saturday night last- played for only 45mins,not the bands fault however majority of the fans were bad mouthing the band after!

Eric came back with a possible solution

It shouldn’t be difficult to post the set times at the door on the night. It would be better again if they were on the venue web site so you could plan ahead, but that would really be hoping for too much!

Before Pedro rounded it all up again

As for the Ted Leo scenario on Wednesday – The Antics Indie night is a big one for Crawdaddy & POD which is why they made sure he was out fairly sharpish. I don’t agree with it because people have paid good money to see a performance by Ted and don’t deserve a short set because a bunch of Indie kids want to dance to fucking Klaxons all night.

Last Saturday night, one of my favourite bands of the moment White Rabbits were playing in Dublin’s Crawdaddy.

Usually, because it’s a Saturday night and I have a radio show to do, I wouldn’t be able to go. But in this case, White Rabbits were the support band (one of two support acts, the other being Halves) to Simple Kid.

It was a sponsored show so I contacted the sponsor’s PR and the venue promoter in advance to find out what time the band were onstage. I was told 9pm. Grand job, I thought.

White Rabbits went onstage at 9.27pm. I saw a song and a bit before having to high-tail it across town like Fernando Alonso to the studio.

Now, whatever about my own irritation at getting jerked around with dud information, it proves yet again the problems which occur when live venues want to have their cake and eat it by turning into clubs at around 10.30pm.

Crawdaddy is part of the POD complex and Saturday night means Bodytonic host their massive Pogo club there. Last Saturday was a big night for the Pogo folk because they had Carl Craig in town and the Live room, which is Crawdaddy, was due to feature Cap Pas Cap and the Backlash gang. Doors were due to open for Pogo at 11pm which makes you wonder just how time poor old Simple Kid had for his gig.

Of course, stated stage times do change because bands are bands and venue production staff are venue production staff, but this is obviously happening again and again all over the place, especially when you have more than one support band.

Anyone have any ideas? Bar scrapping the idea of two support bands.

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