Serious criticism of the two governments' proposals for a settlement in Northern Ireland was expressed at a debate on the peace process in Derry at the weekend.
Nationalists voiced dissatisfaction with the Heads of Agreement document and the paper on cross-border bodies circulated at the talks last week. They claimed that neither contained the fundamental changes necessary for lasting peace.
Around 300 people attended the debate in Pilots Row Community Centre in the Bogside on Saturday.
It was addressed by Mr Mark Durkan of the SDLP; Sinn Fein councillor Ms Mary Nelis; Fianna Fail TD for Donegal North-East, Ms Cecilia Keaveney; and Mr John Gormley of the nationalist pressure group, Cearta.
While voicing strong support for the peace process, Ms Nelis said that "something new and not the same old hat" was needed if it was to succeed.
She said the removal of Articles Two and Three from the Irish Constitution would leave nationalists "stateless like the Palestinians".
Speaking from the floor, Father Joe McVeigh from Co Fermanagh said it might well be a matter of defeating, not appeasing, unionism. Mr Gormley said nationalists in the North should have the same rights as those in the Republic and be able to vote in elections for "the Irish President and all other Irish representatives".
Any interim arrangements in the North must have the "meaningful and clear intention" of paving the way for Irish unity. Both the Heads of Agreement document and the governments' cross-border bodies paper were "seriously wanting", he said.
Mr Durkan said they were simply discussion documents and nothing was set in stone. He urged nationalists not to oppose proposals simply because unionists supported them. Any settlement must win the allegiance of that community too, he added.
Delivering a similar message, Ms Keaveney said nationalists should not become too caught up with the wording of documents - for example, the absence of the phrase "executive powers" in the section of the Heads of Agreement paper dealing with cross-border bodies. She advised nationalists to trust the Irish Government.
She received a critical reception from sections of the audience. Several speakers expressed disappointment in the Government's position at the talks and said they felt it had let down Northern nationalists.