A suggestion that £25,000 would pay off Mr George Redmond, a then assistant Dublin city and county manager, to compensate him for the loss of a contract or agreement to be a consultant to Murphys was made by Mr Michael Bailey, Mr James Gogarty told the tribunal.
Mr Gogarty said that after the meeting with Mr Ray Burke, Mr Bailey drove Mr Joe Murphy jnr and himself back to the Murphy premises in Santry.
"He said there was one outstanding matter in the whole episode and that was this question of Redmond, where Redmond was very concerned that he wasn't going to be a consultant to Murphys as agreed with Liam Conroy and with others when he would re tire," Mr Gogarty said.
"He [Redmond] was going to take early retirement or something, you know, and he claimed that that consultancy was not being honoured by Murphys and that it was a pity it wasn't, but that Bailey mentioned that £25,000 would pay him off, would compensate him for the loss of contract that he had or the agreement that he had."
Mr Murphy jnr had said his father would not pay that kind of money at all; at the same time he would talk to his father, and Mr Bailey said he would have another chat with Mr Redmond about what would be the lowest common denominator, something to that effect, he said.
Mr Bailey dropped them off in Santry, and Mr Gogarty had a couple of words with Mr Murphy jnr about his situation again. He asked about the retirement he had been promised, and Mr Murphy jnr said he was refusing to sign the accounts and asked where the money was going to come from.
Mr Gogarty said he told Mr Murphy jnr he was refusing to sign the accounts because his father, Mr Roger Copsey and all of them knew the accounts were wrong.
"And he says, `Well,' he said, `the ball is in your court, the ball is in your own court' - another threat for me to sign the accounts," Mr Gogarty said.