'Comic books should strive always to be subversive.They should represent counterculture'


PAT MILLS, founder of 2000 AD and the godfather of British comics, talks to EOIN BUTLER

You’re at the Comic-Con in San Diego.It’s absolutely massive. Something in the region of 125,000 comic book fans have converged on downtown San Diego – you can barely move along the street there are so many people here. The street signs directing people to the conference centre are all in Klingon. So anyone who happens to be fluent in Klingon will have no trouble getting here. It’s dominated by Marvel and DC Comics, but I’m here to fly the flag for 2000 AD.

Comic book fans are notoriously territorial about their favourite characters. Do fans still give you a hard time for letting Sylvester Stallone take off his mask in the ‘Judge Dredd’ film?(Groans) That question! As if we would have had any influence over that. As comic-book creators, once you sign a film contract, you are at the bottom of the heap in terms of the impact you can have on a movie. But the fans can really be quite intense.

When you were dreaming up ‘2000 AD’ and ‘Judge Dredd’ back in the late 1970s, what was your vision for the comic?Well, it was the same vision I have for it today, which is that comic books should strive always to be subversive. They should represent counterculture. If you think back to the very first episode of the Bash Street Kids in 1953, Leo Baxendale had his characters hijack a tank and take over a police station. There’s that great cliche of teachers confiscating comic books from children, and it’s true, because teachers identified comics – rightly, in my opinion – as a source of challenge to their authority.

Like most sci-fi stories, ‘Judge Dredd’ purports to explore adult issues such as authoritarianism and the rule of law. But it’s also packed with futuristic gadgets, outlandish characters and enormous explosions.(Laughs) That’s true, yes.

For the average comic book fan, which is the red meat and which is the side salad?That’s a very interesting point. There’s always a danger with fantasy characters that the audience, and even the authors, will fall in love with the wrapping paper rather than what’s inside. There was a time, towards the end of the Thatcher era, when it was possible to do an explicitly political comic. We did one called Action – which had stories about apartheid and Amnesty International – and it was financially viable for a time. My personal view is that ordinary people are actually the most exciting heroes and real life is far more exciting than life on a galaxy far, far away. It’s not a view shared by many of my peers, unfortunately.

The US graphic novelist Joe Sacco has done some incredible work on war in books such as ‘Palestine’ and ‘Safe Area Gorazde’.Yes, Joe Sacco is really getting out there and doing those stories. He’s fortunate in that he isn’t just an artist and writer, he’s also a journalist. He actually does location work. I think what he’s doing is really admirable.

You’re taking part in a panel discussion at Electric Picnic this year. What will you be discussing?It’s going to be about comic books and one of the other panellists will be Dr Mel Gibson – which is a very easy name to remember. She’ll be talking about female comics.

I’ve never really been into sci-fi. But I had three sisters growing up, so I would be much better acquainted with girls’ comics. You were involved in that side too, weren’t you?It’s funny, a lot of male readers would say the same thing because, at their peak, girls’ comics sold significantly better than boys. There was Judy, Mandy and Bunty – they all had to have a “y” on the end for some reason. One of my favourites one we did was Misty . . .

Oh, I remember her. She used to scare the living daylights out of me.That’s right. She had telekinetic powers, rather like Carrie. It was all very dark and visceral. But, of course, a comic book is only as strong as its weakest link and some of the stories were very, very silly.

Finally, what was the silliest story you ever published?(Laughs) Probably one that used to appear in Bunty called Penny’s Pogo Stick. It was about a girl whose father is a famous rocket scientist during the second World War. He hides his secret plans in her pogo stick and she has to pogo-stick her way across occupied Europe. She’s picked up in France eventually by a Lysander aircraft, but unfortunately the airplane has a missing strut – so the pogo stick comes to the rescue. Obviously, it’s a ludicrous story. But it’s so bizarre and so innocent that I think it has a certain charm.

Pat Mills will be at MindField at this year’s Electric Picnic festival, September 3rd to 5th