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  • irishtimes.com - Posted: December 14, 2009 @ 10:30 am

    Bleating and blather

    Jim Carroll

    There must have been much mirth in the Fianna Fail ranks last Friday night when Paul Gogarty TD decided to use his Dail speaking privileges to plug the campaign to get Rage Against the Machine to Number One in the Christmas charts. What better than a grown man yelling “fuck you” at another grown man to take attention away from a tough, uncompromising budget? What better than a Green Party TD attempting to speak out of both sides of his mouth (and failing) to make people forget about cuts in social welfare payments and public sector pay? To be sure, that petulant, childish and immature performance meant no-one would wonder why such august government figures as Bertie Ahern (the man who supervised this mess we find ourselves in) and John O’Donoghue (ex-Ceann Comhairle) didn’t even bother to turn up to vote. Or ask if the proposed domicile tax was yet another case of government optics?

    Naturally, the whole Gogarty storm-in-a-teacup quickly became a massive hit on social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter. While other countries would take to the streets to protest against a budget like this, we either call Joe Duffy or tweet about it. Sad, really. Here’s a budget which attacks unemployed youngsters, other social welfare recepients and public sector employees (many of whom are providing vital frontline services) and it’s all chortling and guffaws at a Green Party TD losing the rag.

    Worse, Gogarty’s immaturity disguises the remarkable nonsense he was saying before he went postal. Here is a government party representative trying to worm his way out of standing up and being counted. Some of the belly-aching from him is just pathethic – “yes, it is hard for me, and I would hope for any other God-respecting humanist republican – you name it – to support measures that hurt the vulnerable. Of course, it is hard for me. It is hard for me to gratuitously insult many of my constituents who are public sector employees and tell them: “Listen, lads. It is necessary. I feel your pain, but it is necessary”.”

    Such baloney goes on for another 1,141 words as Gogarty tries to distance himself from the measures which he will later vote for. In fact, there’s never any dount that he will actually take heed of what he is saying and vote against this budget. There’s no chance that he will actually take the side of his constituents and ask why his party were so quick to bail out the banks. Instead, he withers on about being proud to be Irish, rebel bands and everyone “pissed” out of their heads (may be a reference to the Budget reduction in excise duties on alcoholic drink, just what a heavy-drinking, depressed nation needs right now). He drones on and on and on like a broken record. Look, someone had to read his speech.

    While Gogarty’s pathetic attack on a fellow TD was a welcome relief in some ways to the rubbish he was spewing, it unfortunately became the story and meant his previous remarks were largely unscrutinised. In truth, he knows that he and his colleagues in the Green Party have become mere Dail fodder for the senior party in government. They can squirm away like worms on the end of angling rods all they like, pointing to minor policy changes which look out for the mink or sending in wannabe Malcolm Tuckers in Birkenstocks at Green Party HQ to do some spinning, but they’re just there to keep the numbers straight. That, more than any heckles or snarky remarks, is what Gogarty is vexed about. Just a pity he didn’t address his “fuck you” missile to his own party or their bedfellows in government.

  • 43 Comments

    1.
    December 14, 2009
    11:09 am

    The guy is a jerk pure and simple and his fav singer is probably Garth Brooks:)
    Pathetic performance in the Dail and it was all for the cameras etc. Interestingly I was reading details about him on his website and there is nothing about what he did before he became a TD.

    Comment by Gerry
    2.
    December 14, 2009
    11:14 am

    ‘While other countries would take to the streets to protest against a budget like this, we either call Joe Duffy or tweet about it.’

    don’t forget the Youtube remixes, Jim

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-fNPFfzHhU

    Comment by daniel
    3.
    December 14, 2009
    12:10 pm

    He even had the audacity to call Fianna Fail ‘cute hoors’ He is one ‘cute hoor’ himself

    Comment by Gerry
    4.
    December 14, 2009
    12:58 pm

    Ridiculous.Utterly ridiculous.Glad there was so many TDs there to witness it….oh..right.

    Comment by adam
    5.
    December 14, 2009
    1:10 pm

    Go-Go also said ‘the country’s screwed’. How does that, coming from a government TD, fit in with Lenny’s ‘we’ve turned a corner’

    Comment by Joe
    6.
    December 14, 2009
    1:24 pm

    Birkenstocks, really?

    Comment by gabbagabbahey
    7.
    December 14, 2009
    1:53 pm

    At least he is passionate about highlighting his utter intransigence and powerlessness to do anything about his perilous predicament except express, expletively, out of ‘both sides of his mouth’.

    …. while earning a salary in excess of €100,000, claiming unvouched for expenses and collecting ‘tea and scone’ money of €20,000 as chairman of the Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education, while supposedly vehemently opposing education cuts also.

    A genuine and sincere substantially remunerated but ‘caring cutter’…. Positioning and transfers anybody?

    Comment by Steve Rawson
    8.
    December 14, 2009
    2:08 pm

    Gerry – actually it’s worse – http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/1121/1224259237057.html

    Daniel – of course, how could I forget?

    Steve – I wonder were they fruit scones?

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    9.
    December 14, 2009
    2:17 pm

    It’s a panto that’s detracting from the real issues at stake alright…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj7dQOeThnI

    (disclaimer, I made this)

    Comment by Carl
    10.
    December 14, 2009
    4:00 pm

    Whoa now hold on
    This guy may have made a tool of himself in how he behaved here but anyone from Lucan can tell you that he was one of the few standing up to the developers though the late 90s and early part of this decade as a councillor and a TD when they were destroying our town. He has worked for his community and contributed more than all the FF/FG TDs we have had in my lifetime (Liam Lawlor for instance).
    We live in a world where people like Gerry here can anonymously throw insults and insinuate wrongdoing. What did he do before he became a TD? Worked for his community at grassroots level, that’s what!
    Gogarty should, however, do the right thing and resign from the Greens if he can’t live with what they are doing as part of this gov. He is not cut out for these ‘cute hoors’ at all.

    Comment by frag
    11.
    December 14, 2009
    4:02 pm

    his fav singer was boy george in school by the way. very strange guy but a unique voice in a dail full of grifters and bog savages

    Comment by frag
    12.
    December 14, 2009
    4:08 pm

    Frag – let me get this right. On the one hand, you chastise Gerry for anonymously throwing around insults. And on the other hand, you say that the Dail is “full of grifters and bog savages”. WTF? That’s the sort of logic we have come to expect from the Green Party.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    13.
    December 14, 2009
    4:10 pm

    who said I had anything to do with the greens!!

    Comment by frag
    14.
    December 14, 2009
    4:21 pm

    Frag – er, I didn’t. Just likening your logic in saying one thing and then doing something else to the party which make up the numbers in our current government. Sorry if you think I might have offended you.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    15.
    December 14, 2009
    4:37 pm

    fair point and I deserve to be pulled up on it, jim.

    Comment by frag
    16.
    December 14, 2009
    5:00 pm

    Worked for his community at grassroots level, that’s what!
    Gogarty should, however, do the right thing and resign from the Greens if he can’t live with what they are doing as part of this gov. He is not cut out for these ‘cute hoors’ at all.

    And where’s the work for the ‘grassroots’ now? The Lucan street cleaners who have their wages cut by 5% The carers who have had their allowances cut.

    This attitude of how the ‘poor Greens are in such a pickle’ is pathetic. The mismanagement of this coalition should have seen it implode by now, if junior partners didnt fear the electorate so much and the independents weren’t bought off. The moral high horse party has lost all credibility with their support base (and I would include an idealistic yours truly in that) and will be the next PDs when the elections roll round.

    Comment by Joe
    17.
    December 14, 2009
    5:49 pm

    Speaking to Joe Duffy or tweeting are completely pointless alright. Unlike blogging about it, that’ll show them.

    Comment by Brock Landers
    18.
    December 14, 2009
    5:59 pm

    Brock – Or, even more useful, leave snarky comments on a blog post about it.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    19.
    December 14, 2009
    6:42 pm

    Is it just me or does anybody else feel completely powerless to be a force for change and good in this wretched country of ours? What can be done? One person, one vote and all that but I go out and join with others to protest, march and raise my voice against things like NAMA, the budget, the Catholic Church, etc etc but nothing ever changes.

    What can we do? Please, I would love it if someone had an answer. Can we seriously wait 2 and a half years until FF/Greens call an election? Is that all we can do?

    Comment by Conor Furlong
    20.
    December 14, 2009
    9:01 pm

    I have to say I’m a little turned off by all the shallow condemnation of Gogo’s outburst. I’m not targeting you, Jim, but “childish”, “pathetic”, really? I sort of felt for him, to be honest, but perhaps that’s just me.

    The guy clearly has a short fuse and he lost the rag while he was having what looked like a crisis of confidence in the middle of a speech.

    I think you’re going into the realms of conspiracy theories if you think it was an elaborately-constructed stunt to deflect 4 million people’s attention from the budget. Quite the contrary – I think if you went out on the streets of Dublin you might be surprised to see just how many people are broadly supportive of this budget.

    I feel I’ve suffered as much as anybody as a result of this government’s appalling performance, but I think the majority of the cuts were necessary and justified. Shoot me if you like.

    Comment by Dave
    21.
    December 14, 2009
    9:09 pm

    Dave – the guy obviously thinks one thing and then does another. I call that childish. If he really had the courage of his convictions, he’d have walked into the No lobby. He doesn’t and instead engages in a childish and pathetic fit of pique like some sulky teenager.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    22.
    December 14, 2009
    10:21 pm

    Err, it’s quite clear reading his speech that his conviction is that the cuts were necessary – he says it several times. That doesn’t mean he can’t feel bad about it – it’s an awful situation.

    Comment by Dave
    23.
    December 14, 2009
    10:45 pm

    Dave – oh, so he has TWO sets of convictions – on the one hand, the cuts are necessary; on the other, they’re going to give many of his constitiuents a good kicking. Like I said, Deputy Gogarty is trying to have his cake and eat it.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    24.
    December 14, 2009
    11:09 pm

    Nah mate, having his cake and eating it would be calling on the government to raise an extra 4 billion but opposing every single measure taken to do so. There’s plenty of it floating around Dail Eireann at the minute.

    And he’s right – he’s voting for everything that the stereotypical Green voter is against. The government Greens are a completely alien variety – Greens are supposed to propose all sorts of unworkable lefty-light schemes safe in the knowledge they’ll never be elected and have to put them into action. I still think Gormley et al. are the sort of awful toffs you’d cross the street to avoid, but there’s a pragmatic streak in the party right now that has restrained a lot of FF’s more awful ideas and will probably ensure the Greens are completely annihilated in the next couple of elections.

    Comment by Dave
    25.
    December 14, 2009
    11:15 pm

    he’s voting for everything that the stereotypical Green voter is against

    That’s an interesting notion, Dave, which I’m not quite sure about. I mean, do you not think that your stereotypical Green voter has held his or her nose quite a lot during this government’s term in order that certain wishy-washy policies to protect the mink and the stag have been enacted? Sadly, as we know, minks and stags don’t have a vote hence what you predict in your last line will come to pass.

    As for “having his cake and eating it would be calling on the government to raise an extra 4 billion but opposing every single measure taken to do so”, there’s more than one way to have your cake and eat it. Trying to give the poor mouth about how this will hit constituents and then voting for it allows him to try to play both sides at once. That, though, never works.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    26.
    December 14, 2009
    11:48 pm

    haha well I don’t know a lot about minks and stags, but, yeah, the Greens are your quintessential inoffensive anti-establishment party. They have lots of nice policies that nobody could possibly disagree with and others that sound very nice, if not particularly practical.

    They’ve done very well from liberal middle-class types in the past few years but, as much as they’ve compromised their principles, I think they’re struggling with the fact that even if they hadn’t entered government this time, their ideals would be rejected by the electorate anyway, because nobody is that concerned about minks and stags and gas pipelines when they’re in negative equity and struggling to keep hold of their jobs.

    That’s why I think the Greens are showing courage in this instance. They have literally nothing to gain from voting with the government – they’ve already lost the wishy-washy vote, and they’re decimating their core vote as we speak by going against their own principles. I’m impressed so many of them have decided to go down fighting, instead of just retreating to the peanut gallery alongside Labour and Sinn Fein (both of whom will doubtless be warmly welcoming ex-Green voters come election time)

    Comment by Dave
    27.
    December 15, 2009
    12:45 am

    Let me take this oppurtunity to congratulate new Senator Niall Ó Brolcháin (Green, would-be Galway West)… Welcome to the madhouse Niall!

    Comment by Major Alfonso
    28.
    December 15, 2009
    2:37 am

    Jim Carroll – I support these cuts 100%. This was clearly stated. It is not contradictory to support something as necessary while also acknowledging the rank unfairness of how it came to be necessary. But if you want to spin it that way, it’s your perogative.

    Comment by Paul Gogarty TD
    29.
    December 15, 2009
    8:56 am

    can i just say that i think animal rights is an important issue. and phrases like ‘wishy-washy policies to protect the mink and the stag’ do my head in. pick up a paper any day of the week and you’re guaranteed to find an article about horrific animal cruelty. criticise the Greens’ political impotency all you want but try and lay off the anti-animal-rights nonsense. anyway, that is all

    Comment by daniel
    30.
    December 15, 2009
    9:48 am

    dave @ 26 – I agree 110% with your first two paragraphs, but naturally disagree with your last one!

    major @ 27 – isn’t he a bit flakey? I seem to remember the former mayor of Galway reacting like a smacked child to some criticism or setbacks in the past.

    “Deputy Gogarty” (if that is really you, because I’d really hope that the member of a government trying to save this nation from rack and ruin would have more to do than respond to a blog post – isn’t there some residents’ meeting on you can go to?) @ 28 – you made the debate all about “me me me” with your rant about how this will hurt you because it will cost you your seat. Try not to think of yourself for once and see how much pain you caused your constituents by supporting those savage cuts on Friday. I also refer you to this letter about your hissy fit and its effect on your reputation – http://www.irishtimes.com/letters/index.html#1224260711364

    daniel – I get the feeling that you wouldn’t be joining the proposed OTR coursing club……

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    31.
    December 15, 2009
    12:38 pm

    Jim,

    I love this is he talking about himself as well?
    “In Gogarty’s book, Jedward have what it takes to be politicians: “They are well meaning, earnest, a little bit naive but full to the brim with talent.”

    Comment by Gerry
    32.
    December 15, 2009
    12:49 pm

    As a Green Party member I want to ask – what’s the alternative?

    I don’t mean this in a rhetorical way, I mean it genuinely. I can completely understand public anger over the budget, I’m angry about elements of it myself.

    I happen to believe that working in government is the best thing to do right now and the best way to make a difference – I believe the party has done well on some fronts (preventing education cuts, which would have been a lot worse if it wasn’t for the Greens) and badly on others.

    But as a GP member and someone who cares deeply about the future direction of the country, how could I be putting my time to better use than working to make a difference within the Green Party?

    Getting the Greens to pull out will likely mean an FG-Lab government. Does anyone really believe that an FG-led government will be much better than an FF-led one?

    I could go out on the streets and protest, but how will that be more effective than working within the party?

    I’m asking this both on a personal level – because I’m convinced remaining a GP member is the right thing to do and want would like those who disagree to tell me why they think I’m wrong – but also because I think it’s high time we had a national discussion on how to create a genuine, long-term progressive alternative to the FF/FG same-old same-old.

    Finally, and briefly, on the animal rights issue: as I said here before, I don’t see how any modern, rational society can logically defend the killing of animals purely for enjoyment, though obviously there are about a zillion other things ahead of animal rights on the national agenda right now, and rightly.

    Comment by Lenny
    33.
    December 15, 2009
    1:47 pm

    Lenny, are you kidding me? What’s the alternative??

    Well, let’s see….

    How about targeting the budget at people at the higher end of the income spectrum? How about targeting the budget at those that caused this crisis? Nah, we wouldn’t want to do that, would we?

    Those on middle and higher incomes are paying not one single cent of extra tax yet the most vulnerable in our society are being forced to pay via cuts in state expenditure.

    The Government had CHOICES as to how to deal with the current crisis (of their own making). The idea that drastic cuts in public expenditure was the only solution to this crisis is a complete fallacy.

    Instead of doing the just thing of raising taxes on middle income and (in particular) higher income earners they chose (as Jim correctly points out) to target unemployed youngsters, social welfare recipients and public sector employees (many of whom are providing vital frontline services). These cuts are not necessary, there was a choice. Yet again this government has protected the wealthy and powerful whilst attacking those at the lower end of the income scale and those who devote their working lives not to profit-making but rather to public service. It is shameful.

    In order to lay the groundwork for this budget the Government actively sought to drive a wedge between the public and private sectors, creating animosity and even hatred. The argument here should not be about Public vs. Private, it is really about those that caused this mess and those who are now being forced to pay for it – those who did not benefit from the boom in the first place.

    And as for the Greens… It seems clear to me that their priority is not in saving this country but rather in saving themselves.

    And finally Lenny, whilst I have no great belief in FG either, I do think a FG/Labour government would be a huge improvement on the horrific administration we have had to suffer for the last 12 years.

    Comment by Conor Furlong
    34.
    December 15, 2009
    3:04 pm

    conor @33 – would FG increase taxes to correct the budget deficit? There is a whole section of Irish society (business, media, economists) who are opposed to tax increases, and in the context of that approach, cutting public spending to achieve such large savings inevitably leads to the sort of cuts we’ve seen. The Green Party are in government, not to ‘make up the numbers’ as Jim says, but to carry out the Programme for Government, which at least includes some protection from cuts, e.g. in education.

    I fundamentally agree that there should be an approach taxing higher earners, but I’m not so sure of a potential FG/Lab coalition effectively putting that into place as to advocate, as a Green voter, the party abandoning the PfG and their seats. I’m not so sure they shouldn’t, either, at this stage (it is a terrible budget) but the constant denigration of the environmental agenda and the general wish to eradicate one of the few progressive parties in Irish politics doesn’t encourage me much.

    Comment by gabbagabbahey
    35.
    December 15, 2009
    3:38 pm

    @30, Jim, I’ve the feeling that his merely being a Green might make him disagreeable to you. Green Pols often seem impatient, I think he’s the same. The whole clientelist non-sense that is required by Irish elections is something that doesn’t wed well to green concerns about planning, local government etc etc. I would be delighted however to see Ó Brolcháin represent me alongside dear old Michael D over that shower of EffEffers any day of the week, particularly Frank Fahey, the Gombeen King of Galway West. Twill be interesting to see what profile he builds himself in the Senate as Boyle’s wingman.

    Comment by Major Alfonso
    36.
    December 15, 2009
    3:43 pm

    Major – no, not really, any politician who would try such a blatant and childish tactic would get my goat. If you want to be in government, then take the hard decisions but don’t try to wrap them in this “humanist republican” and such like bullshit. I’d have more respect for him if he did that. Strikes me that the Greens want it both ways – they want to be in power and they want to wishy-washy explain away their decision to back this brutal budget. They’re in government, they’re going to be annihilated next time out, deal with it. Spare me the sob stories.

    O Brolachain will use the Seanad seat to build his profile but will it be any use? Will he be able to unseat any of the Galway West FF-ers? I mean, didn’t he lose his council seat in June? The Greens have been not quite masted the art of using the Seanad to build and groom candidates for “real” elections – Dan Boyle, Deirdre De Burca etc

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    37.
    December 15, 2009
    4:24 pm

    I have no interest in defending Gogarty, the man’s ego is clearly fractured. His ‘conscience of the party’ act fools no one, I think he’s been a source of deep embarassment to them. A lengthy therapeutic spell back in the remedial class that is council-land might help him along the learning curve certainly. And I imagine the others in the party will be happy to have some peace back. This is a party that dithered for a long time in even having a leader, they lack the discipline that would keep the Gogartys of other parties (John Deasy springs to mind) in line and on message or at least off mike and off screen.

    Galway West will be a conundrum. The next election is a good opportunity for a hard working outsider, the vote is going to be quite fractured methinks. It’s impossible to say what chance Ó Brolcháin has. Yes he did lose his council seat for the Greens’ soiling their nest making a deal with FF, that might not be forgiven, but then FF and Grealish have even more to answer for in that respect. His hands are cleaner than most. Even Michael D was in government with FF for heaven’s sake. Michael D is likely retiring at the next poll so the 5th seat will be a scrap in the city I reckon. I doubt he’ll be elected to be honest, he’d need to do a lot a lot of work in the constituency to build good will towards him personally to counter the radioactivity of his party having propped FF. Labour will suffer the loss of Michael D so they really need to establish someone in the city. I really don’t know how it will pan out. At the moment Galway west looks like 2 FF, 2 FG, 1 Lab to me come the next election. Fidelma Healy Eames is the senator who’ll get elected not O Brolchain.

    Comment by Major Alfonso
    38.
    December 15, 2009
    4:37 pm

    Conor@33

    “How about targeting the budget at people at the higher end of the income spectrum? How about targeting the budget at those that caused this crisis? Nah, we wouldn’t want to do that, would we?”

    To be fair, anyone earning above 1 million euro will be hit with a e200,000 levy, and their minimum tax rate has been raised 10% to 30%. Top-level public servants have been hit with a 15% cut, and Lenihan is preparing to abolish a range of tax reliefs for high earners, including the artists’ exemption.

    Comment by Dave
    39.
    December 15, 2009
    5:29 pm

    Dave – The tax effective rate you refer to was 20%, not 10%, and 30% tax on people earning, literally, a fortune is a joke.

    The €200,000 levy you refer to, as far as I am aware, applies to tax exiles who have an income of €1million and also have capital within Ireland of €5million. That doesn’t apply to many people – and €200,000 to someone who has an income of €1million and capital of over €5million ain’t gonna miss €200,000. It’s less than 4%.

    Why just target high-income public sector workers? Why not be fair and increase tax on ALL high income earners?

    Comment by Conor Furlong
    40.
    December 15, 2009
    6:35 pm

    Conor,

    I said it was raised BY 10% to 30. It may be a joke, but it only applies to people who have legitimate tax exemptions for investments in the local economy, so they are (in theory) still spending the money in some area of the economy.

    The 200k levy will probably apply to about 200 people. As you said yourself, it doesn’t apply to many people, because there aren’t that many super-rich people left.

    As far as the 4% goes – that’s 4% per year for capital that, presumably, isn’t going to be appreciating in value any time soon. That’s IF they choose to stay domiciled in the country, which they may very well choose not to.

    They targeted high-income public sector workers because they pay their wages – simple as. There will likely be tax increases at the next budget, but incomes are declining the fastest among the most well-paid, so don’t be surprised if the overall tax take keeps declining.

    Comment by Dave
    41.
    December 16, 2009
    11:57 am

    “Brock – Or, even more useful, leave snarky comments on a blog post about it.”

    I’m not the one pointing the finger at others for their inaction while being slacktivist myself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slacktivism

    Comment by Brock Landers
    42.
    December 16, 2009
    12:09 pm

    Brock – how do you know I’m not secrely planning a revolution with the my fellow Irish Times bloggers? Anyway, since when does writing an opinion column mean that the person who writes that column must be out on the streets leading the way? Get a grip, fella – or send emails saying the exact same thing to all the columnists who’ve commented on this budget.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    43.
    December 16, 2009
    4:35 pm

    And nobody has mention Jackie Healy Rae has got a new deal for supporting the budget with Fianna Fáil . He has secured a new 40-bed community hospital for Kenmare !!!!
    “”The hospital was not in the capital plan last week but it is now included and I am delighted to make this announcement.”

    Now Jackie is one ‘cute hoor’:)))

    Comment by Gerry

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