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  • irishtimes.com - Posted: November 9, 2009 @ 10:37 am

    The randomiser says “oops upside your head, say oops upside your head”

    Jim Carroll

    Hands up who feels sorry for the Maccer? A little bit sorry? No takers? Anyway, there must be easier ways to pimp a book than causing the Minister for Garlic and RTE’s current affairs queenpin to fume. McWilliams’ fecking awful week ended with the Irish Daily Mail sending both Shay Healy and Brenda Power out to have a pop at him on Saturday, while yesterday’s Trib was “get Maccer!”-tastic from cover to cover. Indeed, per the Trib’s Mick Clifford, we learn that McWilliams has moved on from David Brooks to Calvin Trillin in terms of his NYT reading. Ravey Davey will be hoping that reviews of the book will be only bleedin’ rapid.

    Bet there’s no mention of Miss Pencil Skirt in Dan O’Brien’s new book. Read this piece from the Economist Intelligence Unit writer about Ireland’s political paralysis and add “Ireland, Europe and the World: Writings on a New Century” to your book list.

    New music show on the small screen incoming: with a nod and a wink to Peej Harvey, When Under Ether hits your tellies on Tuesday night on RTE 2. Fronted by Michelle Doherty (Phantom FM and ex-Channel Six’s Nightshift) and Elton Mullally (who used to produce the latter show), the new programme will, natch, air at stupid o’clock (11.45pm) which is the norm for music TV shows. Nonetheless, it’s a welcome move because we need more music TV shows on the box (such as Una Mullally’s new show incoming on TG4 in 2010) and on smaller screens (Analogue Episode 1 is now live featuring Kronos Quartet, Patrick Kelleher and So Cow). After all, just ask Wild Beasts or Stornoway about the bump in gig attendances, profile and sales thanks to recent spins and pirourettes on Later.

    Banter does the Noughties: the topic for the monthly yakking session at the Twisted Pepper (Middle Abbey Street, Dublin) on November 28 is the Review of the Decade. Our guests for this rocket-powered blast through 10 years of pop culture are Richie “Jape” Egan, Nadine “Sunday Business Post/Phantom FM” O’Regan and Trevor “Bodytonic chief” O’Shea. As always, admission is free but fill in the form here to guarantee your place

    The return of On The Record Presents: following our very successful debut into this sort of thing a few weeks ago, On The Record Presents takes over the live room at the Twisted Pepper again on November 28 with live sets from the awesome Dark Room Notes and the equally awesome Not Squares. It’s all part of the TP’s first birthday bash with Carl Craig rocking the basement, a Silent Disco in the cafe and Mr Jones and Mud in the Mezz.

    New albums which make you go “yes” when you finally get around to listening to them: you can file “Embryonic”, the latest masterblaster from The Flaming Lips, under this heading. Man, you’ll be hearing and seeing things when this starts to ebb and flow.

    Hoops upside your head: Hanging From The Rafters: The Story of Neptune and the Golden Age of Irish Basketball sounds like an absolute blast. Kieran Shannon’s book remembers what happened when a bunch of US pro basketball players fetched up in 1980s Ireland and transformed the domestic game. Excerpts from the book here and here.

    Will summer 2010 be a quiet one on the megastar gigging front? There’s certainly very few names already in the offing for shows here next year. I mean, just look at who’s onboard for Cork’s Live at the Marquee series to date: Kenny Rogers, JLS and Deep Purple. Sure, they used to have better line-ups for Siamsa Cois Laoi.

    We are the robots: tune into The Far Side tomorrow night for a Playtime for Robots hour from 11pm as we boot on down the autobahn with the remastered Kraftwerk back-catalogue booming on the stereo.

    RIP Jerry Fuchs. The drummer with !!!, The Juan MacLean and Maserati died after falling down an elevator shaft at a party in Brooklyn.

    “The fight, by all accounts, looked as if it were taking place under water between two arthritics in Michelin Man suits”: Tom Humphries sums up the little and large heavyweight bout on Saturday night. Now that Haye has desptached “Shrek’s older, bigger brother”, the hype machine can begin to roll once more.

    Three is the magic number: when three different people mention a new band, you just have to check them out. Three highly respected tipsters raved to me about The Middle East within 12 hours last week. And yes, all three are bang on the money.

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  • 54 Comments

    1.
    November 9, 2009
    10:59 am

    Really looking forward to Elton and Michelle’s new show. Yay, Music on the TV!

    Comment by Una Mullally
    2.
    November 9, 2009
    11:06 am

    Monday morning blues … I presume Michelle Doherty’s tv show won’t be on RTE Radio One.

    Comment by Mully
    3.
    November 9, 2009
    11:45 am

    A music show on RTE!!! nice one!!!

    hopefully there will be some live performances from some international acts as well as Irish

    Comment by G-Man
    4.
    November 9, 2009
    12:04 pm

    More music shows can only be a good thing!
    Also The Middle East tune is quite stunning, i can see how they bagged the Grizzly Bear support in Oz..

    Comment by Chris McWilliams
    5.
    November 9, 2009
    12:11 pm

    Looking forward to WUE – is Elton really called Elton? And with that haircut? Some Irish parents have a lot of explaining to do – a kid lived next door to me years ago and his name was Clint. Must’ve been tough in the playground for him (I know, like I can talk with my handle?…) Will be digitaped, natch, as will be jumping up and down listening to the Kraftwerk hour. Santa has said that he’ll see if the finances stretch as far as the boxset for 25 December for me. Big up the bloke in the red suit!

    Wow, thought I was the only one who believed McWilliams was a t*sser. Been away for a week – have others realised it too? Jeez, the world moves real fast these days…

    Comment by Colette
    6.
    November 9, 2009
    12:29 pm

    Jim thanks for the head up on the new show, RTE obviously forgot to advertise it.. Some blurb here: http://www.rteguide.ie/listings.html?date=1&channel=132

    Comment by fanning sessions
    7.
    November 9, 2009
    12:33 pm

    very sad to hear about RIP Jerry Fuchs. !!! are one of the best live acts around

    Comment by petee
    8.
    November 9, 2009
    12:34 pm

    Yeah, it’s very strange the lack of PR about the new music show. It was highlighted in the TV listings in Saturday’s Irish Times. I’d have thought RTE press office would have been hounding me about this……

    As for Maccer – I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a hounding since the last coursing meeting I went to in Clonmel.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    9.
    November 9, 2009
    12:35 pm

    I was sure you were going to call this week’s one ‘The day The Randomiser knocked at my door’…

    Comment by colly
    10.
    November 9, 2009
    12:46 pm

    I was sure you were going to call this week’s one ‘The day The Randomiser knocked at my door’…

    Colly – wish I had! Even the Ross O’Carroll-Kelly column had a pop at Maccer over the weekend. And I bet none of them have even read the book which may be just as well. The book is not great. It reads as if it was thrown together really fast and you quickly realise that fiction – as in his pen-pictures of Miss Pencil Skirt et al – is not McWilliams’ forte. That stuff where he puts himself in the mind of those characters reads like a short story from Woman’s Way.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    11.
    November 9, 2009
    1:10 pm

    That Neptune book sounds like a hoot. I remember those days very fondly as we had never seen such a thing down in the wilds of Kerry these enormous men who played at the speed of lightning and suddenly made the courts seem very small. I think it’s fair to say that the arrival of “the yanks” created more than a few ripples off the court too, if local Cork legend is to be believed.

    Comment by Ivor
    12.
    November 9, 2009
    1:11 pm

    It kinda says something about the country when we have celebrity economists. Both McWilliams and Hobbs have flown too close to the sun. The real story in the tribune McWilliams pieces was that he was looking for 100000euro for the Farmleigh love in. he finally got paid 10000 which is a lot for an idea me thinks.

    Comment by Feathers McGraw
    13.
    November 9, 2009
    2:30 pm

    @Jim RE: the lack of PR for the new RTE music show. I haven’t heard ANYTHING from RTE about it… and I edit the TV highlights in the Tribune.

    Comment by Una Mullally
    14.
    November 9, 2009
    2:47 pm

    Jim, I’m sure you were delighted when you seen this:-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usg_uuizdwg&feature=player_embedded

    Comment by Mar
    15.
    November 9, 2009
    2:48 pm

    @Jim RE: the lack of PR for the new RTE music show. I haven’t heard ANYTHING from RTE about it… and I edit the TV highlights in the Tribune.

    una – It’s probably some sort of new sort of PR campaign which RTE’s press office are pioneering with this show.

    mar – i assume he gave refunds?

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    16.
    November 9, 2009
    2:50 pm

    No surprise on d’Marquee front – last year’s line up didnt inspire either, especially the ones that were first announced.

    As for the celebrity economist, he’s really shot himself in the foot. To be fair I’d heard pretty much exactly what he said about the current affairs queenpin before but to write it in a book?!

    Comment by Joe
    17.
    November 9, 2009
    3:13 pm

    i would like to extend the heartiest of ‘welcome back’s to Michelle Doherty

    Comment by daniel
    18.
    November 9, 2009
    3:32 pm

    Really looking forward to the new show too; delighted to see RTE make a decent programming decision around indie rock. But I was curious about the lack of PR on this as well — heard absolutely zero about it before last week and the HP report. Did the publicists in RTE take their hols recently or something?

    Comment by Nadine O'Regan
    19.
    November 9, 2009
    3:44 pm

    @11 – ”It kinda says something about the country when we have celebrity economists”

    Very true, it’s a peculiarly Irish phenomenon. It’s a little odd seeing Maccer surrounded by smug, unfunny ‘comedians’ on the The Panel, for example. What next? Neil Delamere getting cross with Jack O’Connor on Frontline?

    Good to see the return of Michelle and the new music programme along with ‘Elton’ (oh dear). We are living in the Internet age but I still think there is a place for TV music programmes if they’re done well.

    Comment by Quint
    20.
    November 9, 2009
    3:51 pm

    is that elton mullally who used to front brando?… they were quite good… he had a great voice too…

    Comment by Ally
    21.
    November 9, 2009
    3:57 pm

    Ally – yep, the same dude.

    As regards RTE’s shocking lack of PR for When Under Ether, we should remember this when they cancel a music show because of a “lack of interest” from the audience. It would help, of course, if they did some work to let that audience know of the show’s existence in the first place.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    22.
    November 9, 2009
    4:16 pm

    ‘When Under Ether’ is a pick of the day in the RTE Guide! They give it 3 stars out of 5. Excellent self-promotion there. I’d say all the grannies will be tuning in like mad for that one. And staying on for Summer Heights High.

    Gotta say though, bad choice of name for the programme. It’s a firm declaration that this show is small and niche.

    Comment by Noise Annoys
    23.
    November 9, 2009
    4:19 pm

    due to the lack of awareness of this upcoming show I have set up a facebook group for people to join to spread the word and remind people when the show is on to keep the show on the air

    even if it is half decent keeping it on air will at least give it the chance to improve

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=177675496469#/group.php?gid=177675496469

    Comment by G-Man
    24.
    November 9, 2009
    4:20 pm

    Good to see the return of Michelle and the new music programme along with ‘Elton’ (oh dear).

    Gotta say though, bad choice of name for the programme

    What is it with this obsession with names?

    Elton gets hammered a few times for his name. And then, the show itself. I mean, it could be worse – he could be called Jim and the show could be called On The Record.

    First world problems…..

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    25.
    November 9, 2009
    4:33 pm

    If you’re trying to get people to watch a show, then the choice of name is very important.

    When Under Ether really says nothing. No Disco said something, The Raw Sessions said something….but not this.

    Comment by Noise Annoys
    26.
    November 9, 2009
    4:41 pm

    “What is it with this obsession with names?”

    No-one knows anything about the show so, so far it’s only thing we can criticise! “Under.. wha!!? Shite name…soundssounds crap. The producer’s name is Elton!!…it can’t possibly be good”

    Maybe there was method in the RTE press office’s madness.

    Comment by colly
    27.
    November 9, 2009
    5:33 pm

    When Under Elton — isn’t that the David Furnish doc?

    Comment by Peter81
    28.
    November 9, 2009
    5:36 pm

    I’m glad this type of show is on TV, and I hope it does well. But the fact remains that a music show aimed at the indie/alternative market will not be viewed by large swathes of the 4.1m people in this country. Even the 1.3m Adults aged 15-34.

    If you target a show at a niche audience and you give it a name that only a fraction of that audience will recognise, then it is hardly a surprise if it gets scheduled at 11.50pm on a Tuesday night. Remember, despite RTE’s public service remit, the channel must make money, and you don’t make money by showing Grizzly Bear videos at 9 or 10 o’clock in the evening.

    Comment by Noise Annoys
    29.
    November 9, 2009
    5:45 pm

    Noise – but why does this show have to be commercial? RTE are, despite their best efforts sometimes to forget this, a public service broadcaster and this means putting on shows from time to time not necessarily with a profit or ad revenue in mind. For every All-Ireland Talent Show, isn’t it right that there should always be a When Under Ether? Indie kids pay their TV licence fees too, you know.

    It’s a whole lot different for a 100% commerical station that you would know well like TV3 – could you imagine TV3 commissioning a show like this? Actually, could you imagine TV3 commissioning ANY sort of music show in the current climate which wasn’t wall to wall with Xpose-friendly music or didn’t come with a sponsor on tap?

    Fair play to RTE for commissiong WUE – but they could have spent at least 10 mins doing some press for the show

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    30.
    November 9, 2009
    5:59 pm

    You’re right Jim, RTE should be commissioning this and no, TV3 wouldn’t do a show like it. My point is in relation to its scheduling and the viewing figures it is likely to recieve (and hence its lack of promotion, I assume). I would like it to be on earlier to suit my own viewing and I would like it to get huge ratings so it gets re-commissioned again and again (providing it’s good of course!).

    But the show is likely to be watched by a small number of people (in the greater scheme of things), and for good reason. So I hope RTE are willing to give it the time and backing it needs. Sure, I’ll let you know on Wednesday morning how it does! He he.

    Comment by Noise Annoys
    31.
    November 9, 2009
    6:08 pm

    Noise – I’m sure too that RTE’s argument will be the same one I’ve heard again and again in recent times – “sure people will tape it and watch it when they want to…the days of sitting down at a certain time to watch a show are over….tsk, tsk do you not know anything?”

    The problem with this argument is when they put it up to explain away a “minority” interest show – OF COURSE A SHOW IS GOING TO BE A FUCKING MINORITY INTEREST IF YOU BROADCAST IT AT 11.45pm!!! That’s Oireachas Report territory and no-one watches that except Louis Walsh (true fact).

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    32.
    November 9, 2009
    6:14 pm

    ..sure they put Entourage on past Midnight, two seasons ago, thankfully back to 11pm or something on the last season,
    did no Irish station ever buy the corner ?
    thought that would be a no-brainer with the amount of people who need a wire fix

    Comment by OC
    33.
    November 9, 2009
    6:24 pm

    ah, but even i have a sky+ thingmajig… and i don’t do “technology”…

    to be honest, much more likely to watch it recorded than if it was on at a certain time earlier in the evening… at least i can choose my moment…

    maybe that’s just me…

    Comment by Ally
    34.
    November 9, 2009
    6:28 pm

    Jim – Yes, it would be watched by a few more people if it was on earlier, but not enough to justify that time slot.

    OC – The Wire never attracted big audiences on broadcast TV in the US, UK or Ireland. Most people seemed to watch it via box-set DVD. I guess it would be the same for The Corner.

    Anyway, looking forward to seeing When Under Ether, hope it’s good.

    Comment by Noise Annoys
    35.
    November 9, 2009
    8:08 pm

    Jim, I’m really going to try to get to another Banter. The one with Richie should be a buzz.

    Maccer! Sap! Could have told you all that years ago.

    Are those Stornoway dudes playing here? I’d like to check them out on the back of the two tunes I heard the other night.

    Comment by the golden maverick/ matt vinyl
    37.
    November 10, 2009
    12:34 am

    Finally what looks like a good music show,
    Leagues will still be missed though!

    Comment by Dave Lee
    38.
    November 10, 2009
    12:41 am

    This Sky+ lark, does it register as a viewing when it comes to viewing figures?

    I presume RTE would be looking at these numbers when it comes to commissioning a 2nd series etc., but if everyone recorded it, would this help or hinder the figures ?

    Or do they still have those chosen families who reflect the rest of society & count what the watch as the mean for the nation?

    Comment by Mully
    39.
    November 10, 2009
    2:39 am

    as we boot on down the autobahn with the remastered Kraftwerk back-catalogue booming on the stereo.

    Yes, Jim, I have been meaning to take our old pal TCL to task for his “all four stars” review of the Kraftwerk albums in last week’s soaraway Ticket. Since Trans-Europe Express is one of the ten greatest albums of all time — and Man Machine and Radioactivity are not far behind — this hardly seems right. All the stars in the heavens! All the stars in the heavens!

    Comment by Donald Clarke
    40.
    November 10, 2009
    3:02 am

    Delighted with the recent outpouring of praise for The Middle East. The new(ish) video for ‘Blood’ has helped. It all justifies me banging on about them earlier this year though.

    Chances of someone funding a European jaunt for them now?

    Comment by kDamo
    41.
    November 10, 2009
    10:10 am

    OC – was The Corner ever shown on any terrestrial TV station over here?

    Matt – always a special welcome @ Banter for previous Banter bucaneers. Feel free to tell us ur Maccer stories! Hopefully some promoter will take a punt on Stornoway

    Mully – dunno how those ratings work at all. Anyone in the marketing/research game who wants to share the process?

    Donald – the remasters are quite magnificent. I’d be giving 5 stars all round – well, maybe not “Techno Pop”. Even “The Mix” sounds far more punchy and sharper than I remember.

    kDamo – per band, they’re finishing off an album and have plans to leave Oz in 2010

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    42.
    November 10, 2009
    10:57 am

    Wow. Given what Polly Jean’s song seems to allude to, “When Under Ether” is a really macabre choice of title for a light entertainment show. Doubt that the BBC would have ever green-lighted it!

    Also, McWilliams and Lenihan could have dressed up in women’s clothing, held a seance in a sauna with Dev, Parnell, and O’Connell, and engaged in yogic flying around Merrion Square, and I still wouldn’t buy that book.

    Comment by JD
    43.
    November 10, 2009
    11:01 am

    With regards to the always wonderful RTE, I hear someone went “a bit mad” at Pat Kenny last night – again.

    Shame I missed it – again…

    Comment by Leigh O'Gorman
    44.
    November 10, 2009
    11:05 am

    JD – your book idea sounds infinitely better than what Maccer actually wrote, Book reads like it was thrown together in a few weeks.

    Leigh – just for you….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y35zuWaMTPU

    There was actually a photo of this guy on the back page of the Sunday Trib at the weekend too from last Friday’s protest march. Dude’s everywhere.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    45.
    November 10, 2009
    11:14 am

    @ Jim

    wow………….

    Comment by Leigh O'Gorman
    46.
    November 10, 2009
    11:27 am

    anyone know if this ‘when under trevor’ or whatever it’s called is gonna be viewable on that rté.ie player thing post-broadcast?

    i heard a rumour that bloke in the ‘frontline’ audience is jedward’s da. just a rumour, mind.

    Comment by theharro
    47.
    November 10, 2009
    11:36 am
    48.
    November 10, 2009
    11:55 am

    This Sky+ lark, does it register as a viewing when it comes to viewing figures?

    Yes it does. The chosen people on the panel each have their own device, a “peopleometer” on which they register what they are doing in front on the telly (within limits) so they can register live TV, time-shifted TV, DVDs, video games etc. they the data gets sent up the line to polling group.

    There are, as far as I know, 600 homes/1,100 individuals providing the data for a potential TV viewing pool of over 4 million.

    Comment by Ivor
    49.
    November 10, 2009
    1:15 pm

    Going on the reports from the weekend, if WUE was given the 10.30pm slot would it really do any worse ratings wise than Karl Spain’s reality metal show?

    The fact that I cant even recall the name speaks volumes.

    Comment by Joe
    50.
    November 10, 2009
    1:42 pm

    Karl Spain wants to Rock!

    I would’ve thought he would want to be funny first.

    Saw an ad for WUE last night. The show looks decent. Terrible name though, not that it makes a difference.

    Comment by nerraw
    51.
    November 10, 2009
    2:27 pm

    now that i think of it actually – why can’t rté at least move the show forward by an hour? ‘later live’ finishes every tuesday night @ 10:30pm. which means there’s a sizeable chunk of WUE’s target audience reaching for the tv remote right about then. i, for one, would happily flick straight over to check out WUE after the credits have rolled on jools. but as it is, i’ve to be up before 7 each morning for work, and probably won’t be arsed waiting another 1hr 15mins for WUE to start – i’ll just go to bed instead. rté have really dropped the ball on this one, made all the more glaringly obvious by the fact that the beeb have teed up a decent pool of potential niche viewers for them. who are these gooftroops in the rté scheduling department? epic fail…

    Comment by theharro
    52.
    November 11, 2009
    12:28 am

    think it’s fair to say that the arrival of “the yanks” created more than a few ripples off the court too, if local Cork legend is to be believed.

    Ivor- I was living a similar distance to you from Cork back then and one of those Basketball players changed my life. Apparently, (maybe Kierans book will shed some light on this) one of them got a show on ERI (big pirate heard all over the south) in 83/84. He played a lot of rap and funk and I, aged 12, was hooked.

    20 years later I chanced across someone in Limerick who asked how I got into hiphop. when I replied Lester rapalot (his radio name) he told me that he had a tape of his. Back in 84 he was visiting Cork, heard him on the radio and pressed record. More impressively he never lost the tape. You can hear a snippet here.

    Any enquiries I made in Cork suggested a basketball player.

    Comment by Shane
    53.
    November 11, 2009
    1:07 am

    Jim, you may have seen this – Observer Music Monthly RIP.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/10/observer-sections-redesign

    Comment by fionaoc
    54.
    November 11, 2009
    10:21 am

    I would’ve thought he would want to be funny first.

    nerraw – :-)

    fionaoc – yep, saw that, a real pity because it was getting better in recent months.

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