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  • irishtimes.com - Posted: July 7, 2009 @ 1:56 pm

    MyTwitterFaceIn

    Jim Carroll

    Am I the only one out there who is still using MySpace? It sure seems so from some of the coverage of late. Over the last few weeks, I’ve read nothing but doom and gloom about the social networking service which cost Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation some $580 million in 2005. Most of the analysis revolves around how social networking rivals like Facebook, LinkedIn and Twitter have overtaken MySpace in terms of number of users, visitors, time spent on the site and, most of all, fashionability.

    Yet MySpace continues to exert a huge influence over one constituency which recent arrivals to the social networking sphere haven’t quite captured: the music-making community. When I come across a new band, I’ll head straight away to their MySpace site to hear the tunes. Not the band’s own site or LastFM or Spotify, but the band’s MySpace site. Click on the site and the player starts spinning immediately. Within 30 seconds, you know what the band sound like. Within a minute, you’ll know if you want to hear more. I’d say about half of the acts I cover in the New Music column in The Ticket (especially the Irish ones, strangely enough) are found via MySpace. Life would have been a whole lot easier if MySpace had existed back when I was talent-scouting for labels and publishers for a living.

    I know I’m not alone in this regard. For instance, the 12 Points new jazz fest in Dublin is usually booked every year via MySpace and Bodytonic have used MySpace to find and book acts for their club nights in the past. As a music resource – especially in terms of finding and hearing new acts – nothing else comes close. Despite some criticisms about its design and layout, I’ve always found it damn easy to use compared with various MySpace wannabes which have been touted. And unlike those wannabes, every single band on the planet is on MySpace waiting for you. Well, bar Prinzhorn Dance School.

    But as so many others hawking new models for the music business have found out, it’s hard to turn what is essentially a free service into turnover and profit. As that Guardian report above points out, MySpace’s ad deal with Google ends next year and this will halve the site’s revenue. There have been management changes and lay-offs already as the hatches are battened down. We’ll probably know within a year or so if Murdoch is prepared to continue propping up the site or if will he cut his losses and move on.

    You can bet, though, that if the site is shuttered or downsized, an alternative MySpace network will be up and running within months. None of the other social networking sites provide what MySpace is providing, hence why it continues to be the go-to site for music. But in the absence of MySpace, a brand new destination may well work. And you can expect that new-TwitterFaceInBebo-kid on-the-block to be the site everyone else will want to befriend for at least 12 months.

  • 59 Comments

    1.
    July 7, 2009
    2:14 pm

    i only use myspace for music these days myself……when a new band pops up or one of my old favs have a new album, i simply google what i want and head for their myspace page…i use youtube for this too, but myspace is just easier and cleaner, you have less crap to filter out..not to mention all the completely pointless childish yarping on in the comments on youtube..

    myspace as a social network for keeping up with friends is a little outdated and sometimes the content on friends pages would crash your brower with the amount of rubbish and wallpapers they had on…as for twitter don’t even get me started….

    so for now im happy with facebook for friends, myspace for audio/new bands music and youtube for everything else…

    Comment by caroline
    2.
    July 7, 2009
    2:15 pm

    Myspace isn’t the only one that’s suffering a decline. Livejournal, a blog site that was very popular before myspace and still has a loyal and dedicated following, has had it’s day and has been passed over by a lot of users for Facebook and Twitter.

    If myspace want’s to remain profitable, then they may want to look into an option for a premium service, in which users pay a fee and get a lot of special features unavailable to free users, such as having annoying ads blocked on their’s and other people’s sites when you log in. LJ has a similar experience, whereby a premium account gets rid of all adds on a livejournal and the user has the ability to put up a lot more userpics.

    Comment by J.M.M.
    3.
    July 7, 2009
    2:22 pm

    here comes the negativity again…

    a bug bear of mine admittedly but this sentence actually gave me a shiver:

    “Within 30 seconds, you know what the band sound like. Within a minute, you’ll know if you want to hear more”

    this is what’s wrong with the age we live in… it is why i hanker after the old days when we all took things a little bit slower…

    Comment by Ally
    4.
    July 7, 2009
    2:25 pm

    yeah i use myspace for new music all the time as well as blogs from various bands.
    facebook is very good for club nights and events in dublin as most clubs will offer guestlists

    Comment by petee
    5.
    July 7, 2009
    2:29 pm

    caroline – i think your comments probably chime with most users’ experience of MySpace as a social networking site – it never had the same ease of use or uncluttered vibe of its rivals. That said, as you point out, it’s still the go-to place for new music

    J.M.M. – Do you know if LJ’s premium service has attracted many users? In terms of a premium service for MySpace, I’m not so sure if those add-ons alone would be enough.

    Ally – I wouldn’t call what your comment negative at all – different strokes for different folks. But, speaking for myself, even without the internet, it took me just 30 seconds to know what a band sounded like and a minute to know if I wanted to hear more. Yes, I usually kept listening, but I always found that my instant reaction rarely changed. Don’t know speed – your comment came just 26 mins after I posted the above post. Is that enough time to take in a piece and form a considered view of it??

    Petee – I compile the club listings for The Ticket and find that club’s Myspace are always more up to date than the press releases i get!

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    6.
    July 7, 2009
    2:31 pm

    Still use it alot but only for artists to listen to music and subscribe to their blogs for tour news etc

    http://www.Deezer.com is a fantastic site but something happened a few weeks ago and they have lost shit loads of music for some reason? Otherwise last.fm for random new music, especially in work

    Comment by G-Man
    7.
    July 7, 2009
    2:59 pm

    jim,

    a radically different way of listening to and appreciating music than me… but as you say, different strokes for different folks…

    you must be rightly buggered on any jazz, classical, free-folk, ambient and avant-garde music?

    i fluked that 26 minutes… i admit though, i skim read it and didn’t absorb the article… that sentence still makes me shiver another 14 minutes and 21 seconds later…

    *wink*

    Comment by Ally
    8.
    July 7, 2009
    3:01 pm

    you must be rightly buggered on any jazz, classical, free-folk, ambient and avant-garde music?

    Ally – not really. It takes me 30 seconds to know what the band sound like (ie jazz, classical, free-folk, ambient or avant-garde) and a minute to know if I want to hear more (a straight yes or no). Just as people “skim read”, I skim-listen

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    9.
    July 7, 2009
    3:03 pm

    Depite having a myspace profile I found I rarely used it except for listening to music. Now that work have, in their infinite wisdom, blocked myspace (we’ll have round 3 of why I need myspace ahead of Indiependence this year soon) I rarely use it.

    To go away from the music aspect of these sites, I must say i do like twitter, when used as a wire for information rather than the navel-gazing approach many take (“Good morning”……”Going to catch the train now” etc etc). It’s a great way to have headlines of specifics i want pop up in a lil box in the bottom of my window, away from the superfluous bells and whistles of the myspace and facebook aps and browser-slowing flashy wallpapers and so on.

    Comment by Joe
    10.
    July 7, 2009
    3:10 pm

    Joe – problem with Twitter is that it’s a newswire service and not a music-listening resource. I find that many bands who have nothing to say about themselves make excellent music. Maybe the next breaththrough is a Twitter client with music streaming? But in order for it to work, you need to have the same span and spectrum as MySpace – you really do need every band onboard. Otherwise, you just get another one of those me-too MySpace wannabes

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    11.
    July 7, 2009
    3:15 pm

    ok, i’m not going to argue with you… and with the amount of music you need to listen to, i understand the approach… i see what you mean with the one minute thing (will i keep on listening, will i not?) although i still take umbrage with your wording of “knowing what a band sounds like” in 30 seconds…

    i guess you just pass over a huge number of gems… as do i of course… but mainly because i don’t have the money, time or inclination to investigate them…

    just me wanting the good old days back… was listening to a small record of old folk songs by cheyenne mize and bonny billy yesterday (after waiting for weeks for it to arrive after waiting for weeks to find it)… and was thinking to myself how kick-ass it sounded on the record player…

    anyway, i’ve sidetracked from the point of your article… i’ll move on…

    Comment by Ally
    12.
    July 7, 2009
    3:43 pm

    the myspace layouts are so unbelievably ugly that i now use it as little as possbile, surely omeone in the organisation would out a better look to it

    facebook is ok, but those damn quizzes/games/pokes/etc drive me spare

    Comment by jim comic
    13.
    July 7, 2009
    3:45 pm

    Jeez, I’m beginning to think I’m the only one who blanks out those MySpace wallpapers and layouts. I’m usually working on something else when the MySpace tunes are playing.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    14.
    July 7, 2009
    3:59 pm

    Fully agree with what you say Jim, MySpace is where I go first to check out a band. It may be ugly at times but who cares I think it’s great that it’s (usually) the band not the record company. I do think MySpace could do something to streamline the delivery of news from the bands you are friends with to you, I do still miss stuff about favourite band because there is so much noise in the auto update feeds that I never read them. Maybe that’s where they could make some money ie charge the record co. for delivery of targetted advertising..

    Comment by fanning sessions
    15.
    July 7, 2009
    4:01 pm

    Way back when i was first introduced to MySpace I took a quick disliking to the social networking element and “hawt” photo ranking aspects but recognised the greatness of having some web space easily available to any band who wanted some.

    I will pull up this comment and criticise it though. (for different reasons to Ally although i do agree with that point)

    “Click on the site and the player starts spinning immediately. Within 30 seconds, you know what the band sound like.”

    I don’t know how powerful a computer and internet connection you have Jim but MySpace is like kyrptonite to my machine. Has to be the single worst over-bloat designed website i’ve come across. Lag and crash city.

    Honestly I’m shocked that no site has super-ceeded it’s music hosting.
    Unless the band has no releases I can usually find and steal it quicker through torrents than listen to three tracks on MySpace. Which i will almost never manage to bear seeing as three delays and lags will have me giving up entirely.

    Comment by Bold Lump
    16.
    July 7, 2009
    4:04 pm

    Myspace was in the right place at the right time in terms of getting EVERY band on board. Agree the social network aspect of it is outmoded, but as a musical resource i think only its closing would make the development of an equally ubiquitous alternative necessary. Quite.

    Comment by barryb
    17.
    July 7, 2009
    4:05 pm

    its the scrolling and constant scrolling and waiting for pages to download all their crap that makes myspace such a pain…if bands all had nice plain layouts and the music at the top of their page (so many now hide it amongst all the crap, no i dont want to buy a thong with your bands logo, f*ck off) it would be much more lovely to use…but as it stands myspace and music go hand in hand…i listened to many albums recommened by readers of OTR on myspace first before purchasing…

    Comment by caroline
    18.
    July 7, 2009
    4:13 pm

    “Unless the band has no releases I can usually find and steal it quicker through torrents than listen to three tracks on MySpace.”

    I clicked through to Bold Lump’s website and I see he sells records for a living (or hobby). How would he like if people decided to “steal” his Acid Mothers Temple or Earth or Wolves in the Throne Room albums instead of buying them? You really have a nerve calling yourself a music fan and, worse, making a living off musicians and then turning around and stealing their music.

    Comment by Record Label Man
    19.
    July 7, 2009
    4:24 pm

    You really have a nerve calling yourself a music fan and, worse, making a living off musicians and then turning around and stealing their music.

    http://tinyurl.com/o6k6a6

    This ought to be good.

    Comment by Ian
    20.
    July 7, 2009
    4:27 pm

    i still have a profile on myspace and i find it a fantastic source to check out music. also, it’s a great way to get in touch with a musician. i have recieved new music from artists and also organised gigs with them just by sending them a quick message on myspace…

    Comment by peter
    21.
    July 7, 2009
    4:46 pm

    @19

    Ian…please tell us you didn’t just make that for THIS occasion?!

    i want popcorn now..

    Comment by caroline
    22.
    July 7, 2009
    4:52 pm

    Myspace was and is a godsend. I had the misfortune to deal with three different web designers in the past in trying to get a site off the ground for my music. Hopelessly unprofessional excuse-making timewasters they were. I put together my myspace page in about an hour and it is easy to use and update. Whenever I’m hawking myself around the place all i need to do it post a myspace link and the people I’m dealing with can do the rest themselves. Beats trying to record demos into a tape recorder anyday.

    Comment by Mumblin' Deaf Ro
    23.
    July 7, 2009
    4:53 pm

    If Caroline takes the popcorn can I have the rest?

    Comment by Joe
    24.
    July 7, 2009
    5:03 pm

    Caroline, no I found it on google images. I’d actually been looking for the Michael Jackon eating popcorn animated gif but went for that one when I saw it.

    Comment by Ian
    25.
    July 7, 2009
    5:19 pm

    What Mumblin Deaf Ro said@22

    Comment by Neill
    26.
    July 7, 2009
    5:26 pm

    I like myspace (or any potential similar future concept) as a way of finding music. I still feel the only way to source new music is through listening, and even blogs and music journalism has alot more meaning for me, when some form of web listen is included in the text.

    I think it works best if there arent too many tunes included. But pet hate is when certain record companies include only a minute or so of a tune.

    At least give us one or two full tunes..Its a better way of tempting someone to buy a full album

    Comment by Finola
    27.
    July 7, 2009
    5:33 pm

    Yes I agree with comments like Jim’s and MDR’s that it is still the best go-to site for music. It is such a shame that they never got brave enough with the interface to cut out all those crappy graphics and stuff.

    The minute facebook joined the party it was quite obvious what a clunking beast it was. Bands still love it though. Almost anyone I know who is in a band, seems to have their little online lights on any time I log. I suspect it is still very useful for them in terms of promoting/arranging/getting the music out there. But as a social thing, it’s days are numbered.

    I wonder if they honed it right down, and really pushed the music side of it, would that work?

    Comment by Darragh
    28.
    July 7, 2009
    5:43 pm

    Jim-I don’t think the premium service has attracted many to Livejournal, but it has kept a lot of people there. As someone pays for the the premium service, there’s a greater investment to keep using LJ and as a result, more people stick with it. And in marketing, customer retention and repeat business are vital.

    But from what I know, LJ is very popular in Russia, so it’s not going to disappear off the map yet.

    The premium service on LJ does offer a lot more then the extra layouts, userpics, etc. I don’t know what else is going on the top of my head, but it’s a great deal for US$20 a year. But it wouldn’t work for myspace, as they gave their users too much already, and would have a lot of difficulty implementing such a premium service.

    Comment by J.M.M.
    29.
    July 7, 2009
    6:04 pm

    I think Darragh is on to it there. If they went for broke with the music end of it they would vastly improve the lot of the one group who still use it on a regular basis. Danger is if they keep making piecemeal improvements and gradually the shift evident in the personal / social side starts to make inroads on the bands usage. Fickle lot that they are.

    Comment by barryb
    30.
    July 7, 2009
    7:10 pm

    What’s very interesting is that we all seem to agree on the following:

    (a) MySpace is ace for music

    (b) That said, it is very clunky

    But it is also true that just like every other new music business model on the planet

    (c) It ain’t making any cash

    Just as a matter of interest, how do people rate Irish music site Muzu, the one which is MySpace + YouTube? Do people even use it? I find it to be very hard to use and, biggest bugbear of all, it just doesn’t have the volume of new acts I want to check out

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    31.
    July 7, 2009
    9:01 pm

    I suspect it is still very useful for them in terms of promoting/arranging/getting the music out there. But as a social thing, it’s days are numbered.

    Agree 100% with Daragh.
    I had my Myspace profile back in 2004/05 when she was just getting started and it was something new and different that i loved (the social part of it).
    Five years on and I barely ever touch my profile on it but I still use Myspace regularly for music. Apart from the fact that certain band pages take forever to load, it’s still a magnificent source for emerging talent.

    Muzu was so long in the making that when the band’s profiles finally went live, it was full of old material. I am not sure if that has been fully rectified now but in order to stay-in-the-game (for lack of a better term), everything needs to be new and as up-to-date as possible.
    How do/will they get the necessary components for the site from international acts? Just wait for whoever is in town and hope they have some free time on their promo schedule to hang out and make some videos or cut a deal with labels/managers and have them make the band update their profiles, videos etc and send it to the Muzu team?

    Comment by Pedro
    32.
    July 7, 2009
    10:46 pm

    looked at muzu a few times but, as you say, the choice is limited

    Comment by jim comic
    33.
    July 8, 2009
    2:04 am

    I love the idea of Muzu and when I first heard of it had an idea that there’d be similar models to the radio/PR deals of cool young people beetling around the city with cameras and mics, logo emblazoned everywhere, getting deadly, regular, high quality footage of bands. In the end it was a bit of a let-down. I don’t think Muzu have done nearly enough to win their share of users. They don’t seem that involved.

    MySpace is good. I try to check out as many music requests and quite often find nice new stuff. It also makes for a cool sort of band-watching site, as things take off or you find a really unusual group. There’s no better portal of intimate music information, I’ve kept in touch with literally hundreds of bands this way. Charging for use would inflict significant damage, I think, most of the Internet should be free.
    I signed up in 2004 and never looked back, aside from forging links with people here in Ireland I might not otherwise know, I always liked the way you could end up friending people anywhere else in the world, ordinary folks, on a more personal level than earlier IRC, blog or forum boards. For all that’s been said of load time, there is a ‘Lite’ feature for the minimalists. I personally think a good myspace design in itself is a bit of an art form. I really appreciate music pages that show a little imagination or insight.

    I think MySpace is a little too tightly-wound into itself as a brand and isn’t realising that users appreciate key features of different sites. For example, Facebook’s comment and Like system shouldn’t be imitated, as with MySpace status update comments. It’s too intrusive on an extended network like MySpace. Its key strength is its popularity as probably the world’s first interactive, definitive music library, maintained on a personal level. An entirely unprecedented goal btw, considering it began as a bunch of college students hooking up.

    Ideally, MySpace should turn their staff towards the cuter technology of social networking. They need to realise it’s no longer 2005, so much more could be done with the huge resources of blogs, videos and mp3s, especially the fiddly downloads and dated system. Clean design is a must, information needs compartmentalising, bands and friends need seperate feeds, the Have Your Say commentary campaigns and celebrity followings should be used on a more intimate level to engage people.
    You know you can check to the minutest detail which bands in what genre and label status were hit or searched for on MySpace each day? Often the most reliable way to learn about gigs is by checking an artist’s calendar, and hey! Let’s not forget the really cool flyers posted. Facebook walls aren’t the same. MySpace’s other strong hand in all of this is the wealth of data and statistics, it’s a formidable challenge for any competitor to beat that stranglehold on the music scene. They need make the most of that, really try to cultivate the local scenes that spring up, I’m no fan of Compare Me but it would be really cool to see interaction encouraged between gigs and events. Not to mention comedians, film-makers and other interesting profiles, they could all be opened up to chat and banter, people will *always* procrastinate and chat or mess with new features. They just need application. Also, start winching out apps and widgets, to interact more amongst the online community itself. MySpace is such an island, estranged from most other networks. In the years ahead we’re going to combine all our networks into a simple API platform that collates everything we do on the web. MySpace have the chance to surge ahead with that now while Twitter is limited to 140 chars and Facebook is still buggy. For example, I might listen to 20 bands on the MySpace Player, wouldn’t it be great to sync to Last.fm scrobbles or follow on Twitter via their profile? How about a nice shiny badge on Facebook to show your frends what you’re up to? These are just basics. WIth a really intutive team, there’s no reason for MySpace to concede any ground at all.

    Comment by Naomi
    34.
    July 8, 2009
    8:32 am

    Myspace is also a place for weird looking swingers (or so I hear).

    I organise an annual music festival with friends in a fairly remote part of the world and all of the bands were selected with the help of myspace. Couldn’t imagine managing without it…

    Every band in the world has a site — would be a massive hole should it collapse.

    Definitely hope that it stays alive and reckon they could move away from the personal ad/ profile stuff and concentrate on music.

    Perhaps with a few amendments other performers/ artists could find a use for it — actors, comedians, independent film makers… even artists, photographers… if there was an image/ gallery equivalent of the music player widget…

    Comment by Teddy
    35.
    July 8, 2009
    8:56 am

    hey jim is there no feature on myspace similar to lastfm (bemoans removal of free service to users outside germany, uk and states) where if you put in an artist you can use the radio feature to listen to similar music?

    Its how i’ve managed to come across music i would have otherwise never found.

    myspace is fine for finding bands you know but to trawl through it, unless you’re business requires it, does take a considerable amount of time.

    Comment by paul m
    36.
    July 8, 2009
    9:13 am

    @30 Jim

    I forgot to mention this new website my friend started up

    http://www.breakingtunes.ie

    dedicated to new irish music..check it out…only launched a week ago

    Comment by caroline
    37.
    July 8, 2009
    9:16 am

    With you all the way about myspace Jim. It is brilliant for finding new bands, find one you like and then branch off via their top friends for more good stuff. The biggest disappointment about the site, however, has been the stopping of the free downloads. Can’t understand the move given that most bands have the songs for free download on their respective sites anyway. Must be a cost consideration or something (cheaper bandwidth?). Doesn’t bother me if the site looks ‘ugly’, once the streaming player works I’m in 7th heaven. But for myspace I would never have got to chat with (and in some cases end up working with) with some of my favourite bands.

    Comment by Kevin
    38.
    July 8, 2009
    9:23 am

    Hugely informative comments all round as usual, people

    I think Naomi’s comment @ 33 touches on a ton of things which indicate just why MySpace has fallen out of favour with many. Users have become accustomed to other sites which allow you to slice and splice what you really want yet MySpace is still stuck in a different time zone in that regard. However, its main strength remains the fact that every single band in the world (nearly) is on MySpace and thus, it can’t be beaten as a resource. Yes, this means huge randomness (there is no MySpace radio as paul m @ 35 says) so you’re really jumping from band to band based on your own intuition. That said, that is one of Myspace’s advantages for me and it’s how I’ve found a ton of acts – 3 Trapped Tigers, The XX, Chief etc – in the first place.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    39.
    July 8, 2009
    9:24 am

    Caroline — I think that’s breakingtunes[dot]com not ie

    Comment by Teddy
    40.
    July 8, 2009
    9:50 am

    you would have thought i’d known that…thanks teddy

    Comment by caroline
    41.
    July 8, 2009
    11:02 am

    As Kevins said, removing the download aspect of myspace really ruined part of what was great about myspace when it first launched.

    Myspace is always the first place I’ll go to check out a band and always the first place I go to check if a band will be playing in Ireland soon. There’s another major aspect that makes myspace still relevant.

    Comment by bren
    42.
    July 8, 2009
    11:45 am

    your link to the 12points festival has just informed me that it will no longer be taking place in dublin…

    …which is very disappointing…

    Comment by Ally
    43.
    July 8, 2009
    11:51 am

    your link to the 12points festival has just informed me that it will no longer be taking place in dublin…

    Ally – no, not true, re-read the link. It will take place in Dublin every other year – 2010 in Norway, 2011 in Dublin, 2012 somewhere else, 2013 back to Dublin. LIke the Eurovision, I suppose.

    It’s great to see a festival which began in Dublin moving elsewhere and trying out new things for size. The great thing about 12 Points is that it is a fantastic snapshot of new European jazz right now – just a pity Dublin audiences didn’t come in enough numers these last few years to support it. Something tells me this won’t be the case in western Norway

    And 12 Points will still be on a MySpace talent-spotting drive.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    44.
    July 8, 2009
    12:16 pm

    Aww, it’s a shame the ruck between Bold Lump and Record Label Man never kicked off. I was looking forward to that.

    Comment by Neill
    45.
    July 8, 2009
    12:16 pm

    I’m not sure how myspace is doing as a business, but it surprises me that they haven’t added some sort of quasi-itunes function where, if you like the music that is on a band’s page, you could download their album for a tenner or something, with myspace taking a cut.

    Comment by Mumblin' Deaf Ro
    46.
    July 8, 2009
    12:26 pm

    Record Label Man

    Every person who bought a copy of those artists you mentioned were already very familiar with the titles they paid money for. Want to hazard a guess to how they managed this.

    The distro is a very time consuming hobby and i’m delighted to say that so far it isn’t losing me money. Luckily for me I have a day job to make my living from.

    My efforts are facilitating extra (modest, but extra) sales for artists I love. Many of which I discovered through downloads. The distro was later set up because outside of mail order and the high postage that comes with it, I couldn’t buy physical copies of anything by the majority of the artists the distro carries.

    I am a music fan. It is the one excess I have besides beer and I spend considerable amounts on it. If you have a narrow, morally superior, ludite definition that disqualifies me in your eyes, then so be it.
    I sleep soundly at night.

    Comment by Bold Lump
    47.
    July 8, 2009
    1:15 pm
    48.
    July 8, 2009
    1:24 pm

    ah yes jim, i see that now… every two years is better than none… and as the article says, maybe generate some links at the same time…

    Comment by Ally
    49.
    July 8, 2009
    1:42 pm

    well, thanks to this blog i’ve realised that it’s LinkedIn (with an ‘i’) as opposed to Linkedln (with an ‘L’) , i’d been trying for ages to figure out how to supposedly pronounce LinkedLn….oops!

    Comment by Catherine
    50.
    July 8, 2009
    1:46 pm

    I love this reader comment at the end of the Guardian story on Murdoch eyeing up Twitter

    “114 references to Twitter on the Guardian Web site in the last 7 days alone. The quicker a large corp buys this mob and it goes out of fashion the better.”

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    51.
    July 8, 2009
    2:11 pm

    Those kind of dismissive comments from people bug me. It’s just technophobia. Sure Twitter’s not everyone’s cup of tea but its microblogging approach is a fun way to spread/obtain information. It doesn’t have to be taken too seriously but where else would you see ?uestlove’s genuine mourning of MJ’s passing, or Imogen Heap bidding £10 million for her new album on eBay?

    Comment by Naomi
    52.
    July 8, 2009
    2:45 pm

    Myspace have driven me mad on many occasions with how buggy their site is – their music player just refuses to work for me sometime, which defeats the point of going to it. that said, it’s great when it does work, and the gig calendar + blogs are good too.

    just had a look at that breakingtunes.com site linked to above, and it’s really slick (in a good way) – loads of bands, short blurbs on them all, plus a list of upcoming gigs, and most importantly, a simple little flash player for the music. looks like it might be Arts Council funded (there’s a logo in the bottom-left corner)?

    as for social networking + music, Tumblr which I use allows you to upload one mp3 file per day, up to 10MB in size, and then it streams in a post, which anyone else can reblog themselves. of course, I don’t know how they’re ultimately going to pay for the hosting, or the probable legal complications. but it’s a popular application for hearing new and old stuff.

    Comment by gabbagabbahey
    53.
    July 8, 2009
    4:07 pm

    To those of you complaining about the bugginess of the MySpace player, just be glad you’re not a musician who has to deal with the even buggier uploader. I’m a patient man when it comes to computery stuff but that mofo has made me just about ready to hurl my laptap against the wall in the past.

    Also to back up Bold Lump’s point here …

    Every person who bought a copy of those artists you mentioned were already very familiar with the titles they paid money for. Want to hazard a guess to how they managed this.

    I’ve bought 3 records from him in the past month and 2 of them I already had copies of as MP3s. And by way of tesitmonial I’ve found him to be very helpful and easy to deal with. I’ve no personal interest to declare here, I’m just a satisfied customer.

    Comment by Ian
    54.
    July 8, 2009
    4:49 pm

    naomi – in fairness, i think the comments have more to do with the Guardian’s lust-affair with Twitter than any criticism of microblogging per se – and also a dig at how if News Corp buy it, the Guardian will maintain Twitter silence

    gabba – the good thing about myspace – which is a bad thing for all other sites like breakingtunes – is that every band is there. It’s the one-stop shop. Yet even at that, News Corp can’t make cash from it – a point few/no readers have picked up on interestingly.

    ian – i’m waiting for Record Label Dude to return to the ring.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    55.
    July 9, 2009
    12:55 am

    Myspace have blocked the use of paypal buttons so now bands like ourselves cannot sell our merch & music through the site. When users click on an outside link to go to your webstore which is at another url a myspace pop up comes up saying :

    “You are about to leave MySpace.com…” blah blah blah.

    Pain in the ass!

    Comment by Tom Bacchus
    56.
    July 9, 2009
    9:12 am

    Tom – One extra click to go to a different site is considered by you to be a “pain in the ass”?? Jaysus, I’d hate to see what you’d call something actually serious.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    57.
    July 9, 2009
    1:05 pm

    Still use MySpace to check out any new groups/tunes since as Jim has said it is the one-stop shop. I would have heard of the groups first from other blogs or LastFm- and MySpace is always the next stop to hear more. The bulletins can be a very handy way to keep up to date with the bands as well…although some never post any while others post far too much. Added bonus is bands contacting you there- I always try to listen to the ‘friend requests’ and while that is a hit and miss affair there have been some very good surprises.

    I do think that LastFm is an under-utilised model and that with some enhancement it would be a better place to go- good design but lack of media and now charge for the radio is off-putting (although the radio never really worked for me). The best thing for me is ‘similar artists’ (as @35 said)- even without having the radio function to hear the tunes they are fairly spot on and there are lots of groups I wouldn’t have come across otherwise.

    Will be interesting when the free version of Spotify hits these shores- haven’t heard a bad word about it and quite a few music bloggers on Twitter giving a Spotify link over a MySpace one these days.

    Comment by Tim
    58.
    July 9, 2009
    11:52 pm

    What’s the deal with BreakingTunes.com btw? It’s the HWCH selection process, I hear. Looks good but no free downloads like on E.ie last year?

    Comment by Naomi
    59.
    July 10, 2009
    1:03 pm

    From what I’ve read http://soundcloud.com/ seems to be the next big thing for “receiving, sending & distributing music for artists, record labels & other music professionals” and it has no file size limit.

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