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  • irishtimes.com - Posted: March 9, 2009 @ 8:58 am

    Here comes the randomiser

    Jim Carroll

    Fabulous new issue of State magazine now available for you to click through here. Top-drawer features include Craig Walker from Power Of Dreams looking back on the years when those Dubliners were young and in their pomp, interviews with Animal Collective, Telepathe and Alison Curtis, a rake of reviews and John Walshe v internet begrudgers. All yours for 0 cent.

    Gerry Ryan in “acting the maggot” shocker – who knew? You have to wonder if this palaver about pay-cuts is not some kind of weird attempt by his paymasters to push up his listeners. At least, we can now see the truth of that hoary old RTE saw that Ryan’s abysmal show was some sort of one-off advertising godhead, as no-one in the present climate is capable of doing that. Chin up dude, we’re sure that new refuge of the grumpy old man and taxi-drivers everywhere would welcome you with open arms.

    U2 are on course to run up a first week tally of 450,000 copies of “No Tune On The Horizon” in the United States. Now, for any other band on the planet, that would be a good day’s work. But given the huge amount of front-loaded promo which U2 have engaged in for this album – including a cringey spell as house-band on the Late Show With David Letterman – and the fact that previous album “How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb” shipped 840,000 copies in week numbero uno, it seems that the casual fans really have gone “meh” to this one – or maybe the era of “event CDs” is finally over. If it were not for the die-hards buying every version they could get their hands on, that tally might be a whole lot lower. Can’t see this malaise hitting ticket sales for the We Are Still The Kings Of The World We Think Pension Redux tour (as sponsored by BlackBerry – hey, they need the cash after album sales like that), though, especially with those limited low-low ticket prices to further up the hype. Per their tour schedule, the band play Dublin’s Croke Park on July 24 (tickets go on sale on March 20 and prices are currently TBA).

    Don’t forget that One for the Road takes place at Dublin’s Andrew’s Lane Theatre on Saturday next with Jape (Choice Music Prize winner, dontchaknow), Si Schroeder, Colm Mac Con Iomaire, Adrian Crowley, The Jimmy Cake and others playing live. Tickets are €20 plus booking fee.

    Yet more bloggers defecting from the daily grind. The latest to sling her hook is Off Her Rocker who dramatically shrieks “feck this for a game of cowboys, I’m off” as she heads for the door. We always liked Naomi’s enthusiasm and attitude and the fact that she always stuck to her guns, even when out-gunned and out-numbered. But, man, they’re falling away like bankers at the moment, aren’t they? I blame Twitter.

    Last week, we were raving about DM Stith. This week, we’re preparing for his live shows. He plays Dublin’s Crawdaddy on May 23 and Galway’s Roisin Dubh the following night. While you wait to get your mitts on his fabulous “Heavy Ghost” album, check out sessions recorded by Stith for The Torture Garden and Daytrotter. Hopefully, Ticketmaster and the promoters will get around to spelling his name right before the shows

    Hey, anyone got any tips for Cheltenham they’d like to share with their fellow On The Record readers?

    On your radio: New York/New Jersey’s/somewhere on the US east coast WFMU heads to Limerick for a live broadcast on March 27 with the station’s hop-hop show, Put the Needle on the Record, coming live and direct from Viva Music Studios in the city. Billy Jam’s show will feature performances from and chats with such acts as The Rubberbandits, Nora Ni Murchu (Tweak Festival), Code, Size2Shoes, Jay Red, Jimmy Lyons, True Blood Souljahz, Vince Mack Mahon, Rob Kelly and Kerry’s Lineage crew.

    And finally, Lissy Trullie is one of 317 acts I’m aiming to see at SXSW 2009. Yep, it’s that time of year again when I and thousands of others will running like blue-arsed flies all around Austin, Texas.

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  • 59 Comments

    1.
    March 9, 2009
    10:02 am

    That line up for the Road Recs gig is great, and is just another excuse to support a good cause. I’m really looking forward to it.

    And while I’m sure Ian will be here soon saying the same, you just have to see the Wrens at SXSW. Far as can tell from their website, it’ll be their only gig for a while, especially since they’re recording a new record at the mo.

    Comment by mark
    2.
    March 9, 2009
    10:24 am

    mark – they’re on the (very long) list

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    3.
    March 9, 2009
    10:34 am

    One For The Road is opened by THE LARGE CORPORATION (Large Mound vs The Dudley Corporation). Buy a ticket, get there early.

    Comment by kinda
    4.
    March 9, 2009
    10:34 am

    Uhhm. The ‘and others’ at the Road shindig is Large Corporation, a combination of The Dudley Corporation and Large Mound. Sure you listed everyone else, Jim…

    Comment by Joss
    5.
    March 9, 2009
    10:36 am

    I won’t hear a bad word said about ticketmaster spelling names wrong. I got front row centre tickets for Joanna Mewsom a couple of years ago.

    And yes, The Wrens are great. They’re playing a couple of shows on the Friday I think.

    Comment by Ian
    6.
    March 9, 2009
    10:39 am

    Sure you listed everyone else, Jim…

    And let’s not forget the DJs either

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    7.
    March 9, 2009
    10:45 am

    Sad to see my namesake’s Off Her Rocker blog go – it was always fun, if totally juvenile overthetop gushing from time to time. Wonder why she never got more of her work into the print magazine.

    Comment by Naomi
    8.
    March 9, 2009
    10:58 am

    Jaysus, no wonder Road is on its knees if it’s relying on THE LARGE CORPORATION to flog some tickets.

    Comment by mayo
    9.
    March 9, 2009
    11:08 am

    That’s New Jersey’s WFMU. Let there be no mistaking it.

    Comment by Donny
    10.
    March 9, 2009
    11:11 am

    Thanks Jim, I wouldn’t have been surprised to read a “well thank fuck that’s over”. I learned A LOT here. The reasons to finish up on HP are too numerous to list, almost as many comments as I’ve posted here! There’ve been so many good blogging times and hardly any bad so I wanted to leave things on that note. I’m just taking a step back to concentrate on writing properly.

    In reply to that last comment above by some unfortunate who’d willing adopt the horrible ‘Naomi’ handle – there are already three writers covering Irish music in the print issues and I never felt any need to push in on that. Blogging was my way of mapping the coastline of our music industry, guided by other music lovers. The more I blogged, the more overwhelmed I became and the less time was left for actual writing.
    Now everyone’s happy, I think. It certainly felt good to wake up this morning with no job to go to :)

    Comment by Naomi
    11.
    March 9, 2009
    11:16 am

    Donny – per the station’s own website, “We’re an independent freeform station broadcasting at 91.1 fm in New York, at 90.1 fm in the Hudson Valley, and with gobs and gobs of online offerings.”

    Naomi – I wouldn’t have been surprised to read a “well thank fuck that’s over”.

    You should know by know that we’re not like that here

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    12.
    March 9, 2009
    11:16 am

    I’ll see State’s Animal Collective, Telepathe and Alison Curtis and raise them by Eighties Matchbox B-Line Disaster and Mogwai..

    I don’t think I’m alone in my utter revuslion regarding Slug Features Ryan. I hate him and his damn prattling on.. Sack him I say.

    Twitter is the devil, or is it the beginnings of the hive-mind..?

    Comment by Liam
    13.
    March 9, 2009
    11:17 am

    “And let’s not forget the DJs either”

    Ah, but you had ‘playing live’ at the end of the sentence. The DJs would have to be a whole new one.

    Mayo: It isn’t. Obviously. But thanks for the vote of support. Makes all the rehearsals specifically for this one gig worth it.

    Minor strop. Move on.

    Comment by Joss
    14.
    March 9, 2009
    11:19 am

    Joss – huge apologies for the big slight I’ve obviously caused above by leaving your band out of a long list of acts playing this show. It wont happen again

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    15.
    March 9, 2009
    11:32 am

    Per wikipedia:

    “WFMU is a listener-supported, non-commercial radio station based in Jersey City, New Jersey, broadcasting at 91.1 MHz FM using a freeform radio format.”

    It’s just a pedantic point. I’m sure if bloggers were posting that Semple Stadium resides in counties Limerick or Cork, local pride would impel you to straighten the record.

    Comment by Donny
    16.
    March 9, 2009
    11:36 am

    Donny – Wikipedia vs a station’s own website? Anyway, not going to risk getting a pain in my hoop dealing with pedants like yourself so have changed it to NY/NJ above.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    17.
    March 9, 2009
    11:43 am

    Looking forward to reading the piece by Craig Walker later on (darn firewall!).

    Seem to remember in the dim and distant past that the coolest thing about them was that one of the band broke his arm falling out of a tree (not quite Keith Richards and the head injury of a few years ago but hey, he got their first) – and then there was the put-down by another band called “Never Been to Finglas” (“never been to Finglas, it’s just too suburban, but I quite like Walkinstown, the Manchester of Dublin”) – simple pleasures in simpler times, folks.

    Re ‘nam – Cousin Vinny in the 1.30 tomorrow is meant to be a banker but don’t blame me if it all goes horribly wrong.

    Comment by Colette
    18.
    March 9, 2009
    11:51 am

    The royal You are not :)

    Comment by Naomi
    19.
    March 9, 2009
    11:59 am

    The ‘About WFMU’ section of their website has my back.

    Definitely not worth hoop pain over. It’s only that ‘FMU is one of NJ’s greatest institutions; louder than Bruce.

    Your New Jersey readers appreciate the correction.

    Comment by Donny
    20.
    March 9, 2009
    12:00 pm

    I know nothing about horses but was told by a Grand National-winning trainer (ooooooh!) that the following look good:

    Neptune Collonges
    Calgary Bay
    Made in Taipan (a solid each way apparently)
    Cousin Vinny
    and anything trained by Edward O’Grady is a bet.

    Apparently. I don’t even know what races they’re all running in.

    Comment by Joe
    21.
    March 9, 2009
    12:00 pm

    colette – ah, they certainly were simpler times. And Cousin Vinny has come up in every single tip I’ve got so far.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    22.
    March 9, 2009
    12:24 pm

    Sad to see another blogger go. Is there a great big blog in the sky we all go to?

    And I’m raging I didn’t start that sportsbook after! Who’s next to go?

    Comment by Ronan
    23.
    March 9, 2009
    1:01 pm
    24.
    March 9, 2009
    1:06 pm

    Jim, as per the station’s legal ID that’s lodged permanently in my head I think it’s strictly speaking:

    WFMU East Orange WXHD Mount Hope World Wide on the World Wide Web at WFMU.org.

    It is based in Jersey City though definitely. I have it bookmarked in Google Earth.

    RE: The John Walshe hating the haters article – sentiment makes sense, but the only thing worse than hipsters complaining is complaining about hipsters complaining.

    Comment by Karl
    25.
    March 9, 2009
    1:31 pm

    Haven’t read the article yet but Power Of Dreams first album ‘Immigrants, Emigrants and Me’ is probably the best Irish debut of all time. They were ridiculously young as well, only 17 or 18 at the time.

    Comment by Quint
    26.
    March 9, 2009
    1:40 pm

    Incredible! One of the ‘lads’ is already plonked on his garden chair at the entrance of Stephen’s Green SC in advance of the U2 tickets going on sale.

    I wonder have these people ever heard of computers? Or indeed have any homes to go to…?

    Comment by James D
    27.
    March 9, 2009
    1:52 pm

    ronan – i’m afraid to guess

    ciaran – just read the match report in the paper at lunchtime. Long time to wait!

    karl – I feel like changing that to just read “radio station”

    quint – I think one of them was about 14 or 15 when that album was released.

    James D – you’ve got to be joking. Already? Sure, tickets don’t go on sale until FRIDAY WEEK! Funny how U2 never bother to acknowledge those lads and the fact that they represent their audience in 2009 – bet it would be a different story if those queueing were teenagers

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    28.
    March 9, 2009
    1:57 pm

    @James D – sucks to be them, I got my presale code today :)

    Dodgy album aside I reckon it’ll be a good show.

    Comment by Joe
    29.
    March 9, 2009
    2:04 pm

    Am I the only one to think it’s very weird that there is no confirmed ticket prices yet for the shows? Or am I missing something on the U2 and Ticketmaster sites? Surely, they know at this stage how much they’re going to charge? Or are they waiting to do the sums based on tomorrow’s Soundscan returns?

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    30.
    March 9, 2009
    2:07 pm

    I wish I was joking about the boys outside stephen’s green. It is dreadful that the band’s organisation hasn’t acknowledged them in some way. Surely after years of devout service, they should get a carriage clock or something like that?

    It really has become something that isn’t about U2 or their music. It’s about wanting some sort of recognition for being mad.

    I wouldn’t mind if they simply joined the band’s fanclub, they’d probably get tickets well ahead of the general public. Mentalists.

    While we’re on a random tip, has anyone else watched In Treatment yet? Took in the weeks’ omnibus last night an might be a worthy successor to The Wire. Has some serious cerebral chops….

    Comment by James D
    31.
    March 9, 2009
    2:17 pm

    Sorry I don’t mean to be on a U2 tip today but I just got a link to computer model of their new ‘in the round’ stage set. What can I say…it looks naff.

    Marks. B+ for trying to get the audience closer, D- for execution.

    http://360.u2.com/

    Comment by James D
    32.
    March 9, 2009
    2:19 pm

    There was something in some paper (specific is my middle name ….) about some tickets for the U2 gigs being as low as €29, although that could have been guff.

    If only I could remember where I read it…. ;)

    Comment by sweetoblivion
    33.
    March 9, 2009
    2:20 pm

    James D – looks like they’re planning on ensuring they can get as many people into the stadiums as they can, thus maximising revenue from ticket sales, event with those low-price loss-leader tickets

    sweet – i’ve seen that report in several papers too and I’m sure the guesstimates are coming from “sources close to the band”, but it’s still baffling that there is no ticket price for these shows on the Ticketmaster and U2 sites.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    34.
    March 9, 2009
    2:23 pm

    Honda now uses “the Power of Dreams” as the tagline on their ads, which I’m sure is something to do with something.

    Comment by Mumblin' Deaf Ro
    35.
    March 9, 2009
    2:27 pm

    JamesD@32…saw that also.

    I don’t want to be banging on about U2 again but Yeah, that stage set-up looks ridiculous….imagine one of those tripod alien-monsters from War Of The Worlds standing still in the middle of a football pitch, with a screen hanging from it and the Bono doing his ‘one-legged, court jester falling backwards’ thing underneath…naff, indeed.

    Comment by Quint
    36.
    March 9, 2009
    2:28 pm

    Was anyone at the Emmy the Great gig on Saturday night?

    Did anyone think the two support acts were horrendous?

    Emmy was good though, solid material, tight band and a real looker to boot. and tickets only 12 yoyos. Damn, i;m loving this recession !!

    Comment by garethh
    37.
    March 9, 2009
    2:34 pm

    @33 – maybe it’s just first-come first-served and Bono passes round his cowboy hat at the end..

    Comment by Liam
    38.
    March 9, 2009
    2:49 pm

    Thanks for the link there Jim. Good to see David getting the attention he deserves, looking forward to seeing how his tour goes. Album is out today too.

    Comment by shane
    39.
    March 9, 2009
    2:50 pm

    State is saying that the general standing price is €55 – much fairer than Bruce “blue collar” Springsteen’s price…

    Comment by Joe
    40.
    March 9, 2009
    2:52 pm

    U2 Stage update: The ‘in the round’ experience may be slightly curtailed as the stage in question will be down in front of the hill for the Dublin gigs. Organisers have decided to rename it the ‘two thirds in the round’ experience for the these shows.

    Comment by James D
    41.
    March 9, 2009
    2:55 pm

    James D – so it will be the 240 Degrees Tour when it hits Dublin.

    The relevant bit from the press release about prices:

    “U2 has always been at their best when surrounded by their audience, this staging takes a giant leap forward. With 85 percent of the tickets priced at less than 95 Euro, general admission floor tickets priced at 55 euro and at least 10,000 tickets at every venue priced at around 30 Euro, we have worked very hard to ensure that U2 fans can purchase a great priced ticket with a guaranteed great view” says U2’s manager Paul McGuinness.

    That indicates that ticket prices will be the same for all European shows, which would be a first

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    42.
    March 9, 2009
    3:01 pm

    Wanted to see Emmy on Saturday so that I could diss her once she breaks through. Actually think her second or third albums could be corkers.

    Look, the bottom line in the JD book of online music discussions is that sometimes negative opinions go way OTT (like with the — hilariously puerile — Script contraversy). However, I will take the worst excesses of that passion and discourse any day over all of the empty backslapping that many industry pros engage in.

    - You’re great!
    - No, you’re great!
    - Oh, you! Sure, we both can be great!

    Enjoy the trip JC. Always fun to see the blogs light up with recommendations after this festival!

    Comment by JD
    43.
    March 9, 2009
    4:11 pm

    Really dig Lissy Trullie.

    No one is allowed talk about SXSW because I was meant to be going but then had to pull out due to “unforeseen circumstances”.

    /strop

    Comment by unarocks
    44.
    March 9, 2009
    4:45 pm

    pedantry perhaps but just ’cause some ticket prices are low, that doesn’t make them loss leaders jim… wrong use of term… i’m sure you won’t mind…

    and i think joss had a point about a mention for the large corporation… but as he said, minor strop, move on, something you unfortunately couldn’t do…

    here’s me back to being negative… probably the definition of that “internet begrudger” in the john walshe article… next post = full of the joys, i promise…

    Comment by Ally
    45.
    March 9, 2009
    4:48 pm

    Ally – “A loss leader is a product sold at a low price (at cost or below cost) to stimulate other, profitable sales. It is a kind of sales promotion, in other words marketing concentrating on a pricing strategy”

    and i think joss had a point about a mention for the large corporation… but as he said, minor strop, move on, something you unfortunately couldn’t do…

    See comment number 14 above. If you see this as something other than me apologising for an oversight, there’s unfortunately nothing I can do about that

    probably the definition of that “internet begrudger” in the john walshe article

    Ah, don’t be so hard on yourself ;-)

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    46.
    March 9, 2009
    5:00 pm

    Hmm, I don’t know anything about horses and gambling, but my winnings from the Choice prize are in this damned Paddy Power account and I don’t know how to cash it in, so I’ll just place it all on the horses listed above and see if I become filthy rich.

    Or maybe there’s good odds on Liverpool bottling it against Real…

    Comment by kDamo
    47.
    March 9, 2009
    5:04 pm

    ah jim, you’re response at 14 was not an apology…

    your loss leader definition from wikipedia is not strictly true… it is a product sold at a substantial discount (of which we cannot be sure that €30 is – it may still have profit) in order to generate additional sales… usually this means repeat business which is not the case here… the tickets will sell out straight away…

    i agree this €30 is a marketing strategy, just not really a loss leader…

    told you i was being pedantic…

    Comment by Ally
    48.
    March 9, 2009
    5:18 pm

    These lower prices tickets are for whom? People who couldn’t otherwise afford tickets? Does it mean there’ll be some sort of means testing to make sure the deserving get them? That would be fun.

    Comment by Major Alfonso
    49.
    March 10, 2009
    12:38 am

    capacity 10000 more than last shows in croke park so cheap tickets still equals extra revenue

    Comment by willie
    50.
    March 10, 2009
    8:52 am

    am i the only one who thinks this is the worst attempt at “re-thinking” how gigs are staged? i’ve only looked at the croker set up…it’s still at one end of the stadium!

    Comment by ciaran
    51.
    March 10, 2009
    12:01 pm

    I’m surprised there has been no mention of Kevin Stevens’s Irishman’s Diary of March 4th in which he compared the recording methods of U2 and Miles Davis. ‘Kind of Blue’ only took two days to record and is recognised as one of the best jazz recordings ever. ‘More Hype on the Horizon’ took years, lots of producers and a host of venues to come up with, well, something similar to a lot of other U2 recordings.

    As recommended in today’s Letters Page, Geoff Dyer’s book But Beautiful is a superb tribute to some seriously talented individuals. Puts Eamonn Dunphy’s book on U Know Who in its place…

    Comment by Sean
    52.
    March 10, 2009
    12:14 pm

    The Beatles had a revolving stage back in the day for some of their US shows. Every couple of songs they’d twist it 180degress to the other side and then carry on playing. There’s a video clip of Lennon actually helping the roadies move it when it got jammed. Will Bono take the same initiative when their one breaks down?

    They should get one of those charity cyclists from Grafton st. to power it backstage. Good PR. They can put him next to the guy who plays Edges guitar parts.

    Comment by Peter81
    53.
    March 10, 2009
    12:57 pm

    willie – exactly!

    ciaran – i think Croker is the one venue on the European leg where they’re doing that. Have there been gigs in the round in Croker before? Whatever about the staging, I hope they spend a few bob on the sound – the sound the last time was atrocious

    Sean – I meant to link to that Irishman’s Diary so better late than never – http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2009/0304/1224242233342.html

    Peter81 – Will Bono take the same initiative when their one breaks down?

    I can see him now……

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    54.
    March 10, 2009
    2:17 pm

    Have there been gigs in the round in Croker before?

    Dunno but wee Daniel used to do it in the point.

    Actually that struck me as something of a drawback to the O2. The Boxing/UFC/pro wrasslin aren’t able to have their crowd in the round are they?

    Comment by Ian
    55.
    March 10, 2009
    2:25 pm

    Actually that struck me as something of a drawback to the O2. The Boxing/UFC/pro wrasslin aren’t able to have their crowd in the round are they?

    Soon see – bernard dunne is boxing there on Saturday week and the wrestlers are back in November. Sure, isn’t it based on those old Roman colosseums which were used for fighting rather than gigging?

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    56.
    March 10, 2009
    2:46 pm

    Actually I’m wrong. It appears that they’ll be able to remove the stage and install flat seating for those events so the ring is surrounded on all sides but the tiered seating will obviously only be on one side.

    The Il Divo seating chart looks unusual

    http://media.ticketmaster.co.uk/en-gb/tmimages/venue/maps/uk2/12241s_a.gif

    http://media.ticketmaster.co.uk/en-gb/tmimages/venue/maps/uk2/12241s_a.gif

    Comment by Ian
    57.
    March 10, 2009
    2:47 pm

    Re:An Irishman’s Diary

    Of all the criticism levelled at U2 in the past weeks, Stevens’ is the most pointless. Its like he wanted to get in on the game so he came up with the weakest excuse he could to put them down. So Miles could make an album in two days, take that Bono! No need to mention the fact that Miles and Coltrane were using acoustic instruments and relatively dry recording setup (I wonder did Bitches Brew take two days?)

    If Kevin Stevens wants to hear some spontaneous rock & roll, music with intuitive musicians playing together in one room, then U2 is bound to disappoint. They don’t wear polo necks either.

    Comment by Peter81
    58.
    March 11, 2009
    1:26 pm

    @54, similar to U2 in Croker, wrestling/boxing in the O2 is kinda in the round …

    http://media.ticketmaster.co.uk/en-gb/tmimages/venue/maps/uk2/12165s_a.gif

    Comment by Mully
    59.
    November 8, 2010
    7:41 pm

    nice to see this posted on the Irish times !!! this is the website of Lineage, because you have no Link on the post :) http://www.thelineagekrew.com

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