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  • irishtimes.com - Posted: February 23, 2009 @ 8:48 am

    U2 “No Line On the Horizon”

    Jim Carroll

    On The Record readers with an interest in sampling U2’s new album should proceed here where there are one minute snippets (yep, 60 seconds) of all the tracks from “No Line On The Horizon” to be heard. Please let us know what you think in the comments below.

    Me? Well, seeing as you asked……

    The arrival of a new U2 album has a strange effect on seemingly sane people. Many of my fellow critics, for instance, have greeted the new arrival with open arms, ticker-tape parades, unrestrained praise and new shades of purple prose. Such unpoetic arse-licking is to be expected from the band’s own golden circle of house-trained scribes, but it’s something else entirely when usually reliable bellwethers join the circus. Maybe they’re holding out for a 25 minute bull session with The Edge or it’s like the banking cowboys exhorting people to put on the green jersey

    A peculiar byproduct of this particular release is the chorus of expert voices claiming that this is the album which will save the record business. Save the record business? Such misguided guff – that an album from one of the most marketing-savvy bands in the world will send people back into the shops filling their boots with CDs – makes you wonder when was the last time those experts actually stood in a record store and saw what was really going on out there. Naturally, HMV in Dublin will be opening at midnight on Thursday to provide the obligatory snap of U2 fans standing around on Grafton Street to get their hands on the new album. Have these people not heard of Rapidshare? Joke, OK?

    It would be too easy – and, let’s face it, far more entertaining – to continue this post in a similar snarky manner. That would see us going down a road which would lead to an accountant’s office in Amsterdam or a room in the White House where Bono is knee-to-knee with George W Bush. But those are human transgressions. For musical transgressions, you have to head to the new album.

    Like every outing since “Achtung Baby”, this album is about trying to go back to that glorious snapshot in time. “Achtung Baby” was where U2 were last at their most thrilling and they know it. Back then, they showed that you could only truly proceed in pop by abandoning everything which had served you well to date. Since then, they’ve tried valiantly to recapture that high ground, yet have not showed the inclination or bravery required to leave the baggage at the door. Once, it seems, was enough for that.

    Like its predecessors, “No Line On The Horizon” doesn’t really amount to a hill of beans. It huffs and puffs and throws all the right shapes to make it look like the band are going to the well in search of reinvention and creative salvation. However, it’s all show and no substance. There are a flurry of ideas here and the usual retinue of astute helpers are on hand too to turn these ideas into potential gold and platinum, yet there’s little to indicate that the band have the mettle to challenge themelves by doing what is not expected of a band in their position. The notion that Brian Eno and Daniel Lanois (and Steve Lillywhite is here too to keep things truly old-school) will always save the day is written large throughout. The fact is, though, that Eno and Lanois are only as good as who and what they’re working with and this is where the problems begin.

    Actually, no, let’s be fair, there are a few positives here, a few turns like “Magnificent” when U2 fire on all cylinders like it’s the most natural thing in the world for four geezers to stand around in a room and make this sort of gut-busting music together. You can hear the cogs turning, the guitars and drums perfectly in synch, the sound of stadiums jumping up and down with glee. You can hear where the album could have gone and how it would have cocked a snook to the notion that such acts as Coldplay, Kings of Leon and The Killers are fit to stand on the same stage as U2. It’s the sound of a band not merely applying for their old job back, but actually writing a whole new “smart boys wanted” advert.

    Sadly, such euhoria doesn’t last. You listen to “Unknown Caller”, “Breathe”, “Stand Up Comedy” and “Cedars Of Lebanon” and wonder what the hell is going on. It’s the comedown after the sugar rush. Like most of the album, each of these four tracks is a bit of a muddle with the band sounding strangely ill-at-ease with each other’s contributions and the song itself. It’s a strange kind of collective misfit, tracks trying to poke oneanother into making some semblance of sense together because they sure as hell don’t do so on their own.

    It would be much too easy to signal out Bono’s lyrics for a bit of a lash here, but the truth is that he’s just one culprit in this blustery, burpy, over-cooked melodrama. The album’s glaring lack of coherence can be attributed to many factors, including a lengthy gestation period and a surplus of chefs at the pass, but such excuses only serve to show up again how a great album needs more than good intentions and ideas. It really needs a bundle of great songs and “No Line On The Horizon” is sorely lacking in this department.

    While listening to the album, I kept going back to that careless run of shows in Croker in 2005 when the band went through the motions like a bunch of bored rich pre-occupied men counting their money. But pop fans are always willing to sit around for a second act. Like all romantics, we give our heroes the benefit of the doubt, hence why so many will fire up “No Line On The Horizon” and will it to be great. Just great – no-one is expecting a grime or hip-hop U2 (that was “Passengers”, wasn’t it?) or anything like that.

    What we were after was an album to make us forget and overlook the distractions which the band have become about. We wanted an album to remind us that four musicians could stand together and deliver an album which was as honest as the day was long and as true to itself as rock can still sometimes be.

    But with every song which doesn’t sound quite up to scratch, every groove which sounds too layered and over-analysed, every track which keeps meandering without any direction home and every awful bum lyric which makes you wince with pity for the writer, you’re reminded that U2 have other priorities these days and that this is an album created with those priorities in mind. This album will fill stadiums, newspapers, radio stations, web sites, quarterly target spreadsheets, bank balances, pension funds and investment opportunities in the tech sector. But, unlike so many other albums which will be released with far less fuss this year, it won’t fill your soul.

  • 189 Comments

    1.
    February 23, 2009
    9:02 am

    60 second samples? Are they having a laugh? You can stream the whole album on Spotify which is not, of course, available in Ireland. Good to see U2 looking after their Irish fans again.

    Comment by Squirrel Boy
    2.
    February 23, 2009
    9:11 am

    Damn Jim, you stole all my descriptive adjectives for this turkey.

    I heard the album on friday and it’s pretty underwhelming (ha there’s one you didn’t snaffle!). Even a buddy who is a diehard fan found himself wishing for the finish line on no line.

    I think like yourself I would like them to sound hungry to shoot through the clouds and record another album like achtung that redefines. Sadly this effort sounds over-cooked from an absence of inspiration. Bono sounds tired and not necessarily there. There are glimpses of greatness but they are only fleeting and few.

    I wonder if they didn’t have so much riding on it these days would they be able to more quickly produce a more honest and satisfying album, as opposed to this obligatory product?

    Comment by James D
    3.
    February 23, 2009
    9:15 am

    I wonder if they didn’t have so much riding on it these days would they be able to more quickly produce a more honest and satisfying album, as opposed to this obligatory product?

    I think that’s the problem. I could put up with the hoopla, the carnival and the incessant hype IF the album was worthy of that. But I don’t think it is and I think many non-critics will go with that too when they hear it. I’m hugely disappointed by this, but then I’ve also felt this way by so much of what they’ve released over the last two decades yet keep going back.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    4.
    February 23, 2009
    9:32 am

    Only heard the whole thing late last night but I agree with a lot of what was said here. “Magnificent” aside there was very few stand out moments if any, on my first impression.

    What kept striking me is every time a tune started with a promising intro that sounded a bit new it quickly faded into the background. I found myself thinking that a younger/braver band may have fleshed out some of the flourishes that played second fiddle.

    Still, as I said, have only heard it once and like to give an album about 3 spins before fully deciding but so far so-meh.

    I’ll still go see them live though.

    Comment by Joe
    5.
    February 23, 2009
    9:42 am

    Not being a U2 fan but at the same time not a begrudger, I heard a few of the songs over the weekend and it all sounded too generic.

    I think U2 suffer to a greater extent from what REM have been accused of for 15 years. Too much pressure, too much hype. I have been listening to the Murmur Reissue and it’s hard to equate this to the REM of 2009. It is the sound of four people all contributing different ideas, influences and it seems more, dare I say it organic. REM were a better band when they weren’t four or now three business men who only come together to rehearse an album or a tour. No John Paul Jones string arrangements, no Nigel Godrich.

    What is a “Moral Kiosk”? What is Michael Stipe saying in “Sitting Still”? Who gives a damn? It’s a hell of a lot better than “Leaving New York”

    Sound familiar Bono?

    Comment by overfriendly concierge
    6.
    February 23, 2009
    9:57 am

    I would genuinely love to see U2 take a total left turn, get rid of half of their music equipment and effects, go off to some shabby arsehole location away from their stylists and sunglasses dealers, and just simply write and quickly record a set of uncomplicated songs with no view to how they’ll sound in a 200,000 seater.

    Instead we are treated to songs that sound like offcuts from achtung that regardless of how much polish they put on them, are still turds.

    Congrats boys, another excuse to tour. T-shirts €40. Souvenir baseball caps €30. All merchandise produced in pc ecological sound conditions with a ‘donation’ to the community in which they were produced.

    Jim, when are you opening a thread for complaints for (1) the outrageous ticket prices to their shows (2) not getting tickets (3) the poor set list (4) … ?

    Comment by James D
    7.
    February 23, 2009
    10:03 am

    Brian Eno and Daniel Lanois (and Steve Lillywhite is here too to keep things truly old-school

    Therein lies part of the problem, they’re practically studio members of U2 at this point and there’s never going to be something fresh or new sounding in a U2 record if they keep returning to the same safe old hands to produce it.

    He’d probably demand the combined fee of all three of them just becasue of who U2 are but it’d be the bravest thing they’ve done in 2 decades if for the next record they got Albini in.

    Comment by Ian
    8.
    February 23, 2009
    10:53 am

    I wonder what the Rick Rubin sessions sounded like…..

    Comment by Sean D
    9.
    February 23, 2009
    11:07 am

    I wonder what the Rick Rubin sessions sounded like…..

    No doubt we’ll find out in 3-4 months time on the bonus disc when the delux album edition with additional artwork booklet is released.

    Comment by Joe
    10.
    February 23, 2009
    11:08 am

    I wonder what the Rick Rubin sessions sounded like….

    So do I. And I wonder what happened to the Will.I.Am sessions. Did these actually happen? Or was this all more grist to the publicity mill?

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    11.
    February 23, 2009
    11:17 am

    I don’t know whether the Rubin sessions would be up to much.

    Based on what I know of Rubin’s recording style, I don’t think it would have gelled with U2. He is not interested in directing acts or using the studio as the place to explore soundscapes or hammer out ideas.

    Normally he tells bands to go off and do their homework, give him a shout when they think they are ready and he’ll come down and take a listen. If they’re cool, they’ll record. If not, he’ll tell them what he likes and leave them to their own devices.

    He prefers acts to come in fully prepared and just record as quickly and efficiently as possible.

    Comment by James D
    12.
    February 23, 2009
    11:28 am

    Cormac Battle played a few tracks last night on his show and there defintley seems to be a more sort of a funk groove sound( if that could be descriptive, i guess) to the album, especially to edges guitar playing and claytons bass that is very reminiscent to the Red Hot Chilli Peppers last 2 albums

    Comment by mikec
    13.
    February 23, 2009
    11:38 am

    Jim, the Will.i.am sessions surfaced on the b-side to Boots, NLOTH2 he did production and vocals on that. He also supposedly wrote the cello part on the song Breathe with Eno. Might have mixed Crazy Tonight from what I hear as well.

    I love your blog Jim but when it comes to U2 I always disagree with you. I really enjoy this album, possibly their best since Achtung Baby, although they’ll never top the Unforgettable Fire. To me, I just love the sound of Bono rattling off like he’s Dylan on Breathe or the way he sings with that Leonard Cohen vibe on Cedars of Lebanon. Even Bono’s love song to Mac computers (Unknown Caller), I enjoy.

    Comment by John
    14.
    February 23, 2009
    11:42 am

    John @ 13 – will check that b-side out

    I love your blog Jim but when it comes to U2 I always disagree with you

    Thanks for that John! As you know, I write as someone who was a huge u2 fan but who has become increasingly fed up with what I hear as sub-standard, patchy and so-so albums.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    15.
    February 23, 2009
    11:42 am

    @12

    at what point were the last two chili peppers albums funk – don’t they also fit the bill of bland stadium rock?

    Comment by Leigh O'Gorman
    16.
    February 23, 2009
    11:57 am

    Hey Jim,
    What do you expect rock music to do, solve all your problems? No wonder you’re disappointed.
    This sounds like classic U2. And like all their albums, they take time to absorb.
    If you’re so tired of them, why not stop writing about them. That would be your most powerful message.

    Comment by Florence Maynard
    17.
    February 23, 2009
    12:03 pm

    Florence – so what you’re suggesting is that if a reviewer thinks this album is a dud, he/she should stay quiet? Una doce, una voce and all of that, eh?

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    18.
    February 23, 2009
    12:14 pm

    Damn the critics, etc. U2 die-hards are getting touchier than Morrissey ones.

    Comment by Johnnie
    19.
    February 23, 2009
    12:21 pm

    @16 – “This sounds like classic U2. And like all their albums, they take time to absorb.”

    Albums that need time to absorb are usually challenging the listener. Giving them something that appears harsh on the surface but reveals itself after a few listens.

    I can’t imagine this is the case with u2s new one. Even their best albums had an immediacy to them that made them very easy to enjoy.

    (Passengers doesn’t count)

    Comment by Peter81
    20.
    February 23, 2009
    12:32 pm

    That Florence lass needs to chillax. It might ’sound like classic U2′ but that’s part of the problem. They are only emulating their back catalogue and hardly creating any new classics.

    The songwriting is below par, no idea seems fully realised, what has been committed to tape sounds stilted and self-conscious, they sound tired and as if they’re going thru the motions.

    Casual and devout listeners consume albums in different ways – whether it’s single or multiple listens. All this business about letting music absorb is nonsense. I listen to about 10 new albums a week -so I would like to think I’ve got a pretty good ear. I went in wanting to be bowled over but there was nothing there.

    Consider why most journalists are giving it a diplomatic write up…say a bad word about the big bad U2 and you might start finding it hard to get to other artists on their label.

    Equally give a bad review and you get loonies coming out of the woodwork criticising your critique. By economies of scale, I imagine Florence might be only the tip of the icebergh.

    Comment by James D
    21.
    February 23, 2009
    12:41 pm

    Johnnie @ 18 – Morrissey fans, Radiohead fans, Dana fans, Enya fans – we believe in equality of abuse here at OTR

    Peter81 – Nail on head – that immediacy is just not there, bar on “Magnificent”

    James D – Florence is totally entitled to her opinion – just as I am totally entitled to mine!

    Equally give a bad review and you get loonies coming out of the woodwork criticising your critique. By economies of scale, I imagine Florence might be only the tip of the icebergh.

    I fear you may be right.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    22.
    February 23, 2009
    12:45 pm

    hey jim,
    beware – the avalanche is coming…
    ;)

    Comment by Leigh O'Gorman
    23.
    February 23, 2009
    12:48 pm

    Excellent review. Probably the most coherent and clear-headed analysis of the album I’ve read so far. When I listened to the 60-second clip of ‘Magnificent’ I thought: this is amazing. All those critics who gave it glowing reviews so far are right, all that hype that surrounds it saying it’s a return to form and it’s their best since ‘Achtung, baby’ is totally justified. What a gorgeous song ‘Magnificent’ is and then…..the awful, depressing realisation that what I’m listening to is yet another turkey as you listen to the rest of the album and that ‘Magnificent’ is the only good song on it. (Ok, they’re only 60 second clips but you can glean an awful lot from just 60 seconds.)

    One of the worst things about it is Bono’s excessive vocal bleatings that smother each track – all ‘wooooo..woah woh whoo’ and ‘baby baby baby’ etc, not to mention the obligatory dreadful lyrics. It seems they can’t truly be bothered to do an ‘Achtung, baby’ again…as Jim says, ‘Once, it seems, was enough for that’. So, so true.

    Comment by Quint
    24.
    February 23, 2009
    1:09 pm

    U2 – yawn….. i think i’d rather buy an album of improv acoustic folk by Bill Gates tbh……

    Comment by Liam
    25.
    February 23, 2009
    1:40 pm

    Great post, Jim. At least someone is telling it like it is. Haven’t heard the full record yet, but I just get so bored at the predictability of reviews, especially in Ireland, when it comes to big records like this.

    Comment by unarocks
    26.
    February 23, 2009
    1:49 pm

    This sounds like U2’s equivalent of the last Nick Cave album…

    Slightly funky rythym and “weird” sounds masking the lack of melody, songs and songwriting…

    Comment by Ally
    27.
    February 23, 2009
    1:52 pm

    This sounds like classic U2. And like all their albums, they take time to absorb.

    There are bands whose music takes time to absorb. U2 aren’t one of them. One of their overriding appeals has been the accessibility of their music. All of their albums that I have loved, with the exception of perhaps War, I loved straight away.

    What is meant here, is that with all their recent albums, it takes time to convince yourself they’re not as shite as your initial and more accurate listen suggested.

    Comment by Steve K
    28.
    February 23, 2009
    1:56 pm

    Not a bad album by any stretch. Not a great album though. Just thought I’d start off my misquoting Dunphy a bit.

    U2’s relevance is proved by both the review itself and the reaction to the review. I’d dearly love to see U2 go off and really “dream it all up again” and “leave it all behind”. It ain’t gonna happen though. They are at the pinnacle of their earning power. I think the more interesting albums will follow when the band are in their fifties.

    Comment by Paul
    29.
    February 23, 2009
    2:00 pm

    One further addition – the track “Magnificent” is probably in the U2 top ten.

    Comment by Paul
    30.
    February 23, 2009
    2:01 pm

    U2’s relevance is proved by both the review itself and the reaction to the review

    Paul – let’s be clear – no-one is questioning U2’s relevance. What I am questioning is the music and how irrelevant and bloated it is on this album.

    Also this idea that “the more interesting albums will follow when the band are in their fifties” is bunkum and a cop-out. Pop music is about the here and now and not about spread-betting or buying contracts for difference in the hope of some future gain. This album just does not produce the goods (as you yourself imply – “not a bad album…not a great album”) and can’t be passed off by saying “oh, they’ll be better when they’re in their fifties”.

    And one great track like “Magnificent” does not a great album make

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    31.
    February 23, 2009
    2:05 pm

    i just don’t find anything edifying or constructive in this piece. Criticism can be fun, interesting, entertaining, educational even. This is dull and sulky. Oh, and I’m a loony, if it makes you feel better.

    Comment by florence
    32.
    February 23, 2009
    2:09 pm

    Jim – I agree with the majority of what you say. The only people I’ve really read say it is “a great album” or “masterpiece” is U2 themselves (well, The Edge and Bono as Larry is pretty much just calling Tony Blair a war criminal at any given opportunity).

    I just think that U2 will realise when (if) the business really dries up for them that they can really tear up the U2 rule book and make the albums they feel like making.

    Have you ever heard the unreleased material from Atomic Bomb – classic stuff that I’d listen to more than the Atomic Bomb record itself.

    Comment by Paul
    33.
    February 23, 2009
    2:26 pm

    Jim,

    Do you think that this could be a sign of the future – do you think that more bands with a large Live Nation contract (or a partial one such as U2) may end up gearing their albums to maximum radio-ness just to pack out stadiums?

    Although they’ve been in stadium friendly mode for what seems like an eternity, if this is them getting back to “Achtung…”, then I’d hate to hear them kicking back and relax.

    But do you think it’s in any way as dreadful as that awful “Ballad of Ronnie Drew” shite they came up with last year?

    Comment by Leigh O'Gorman
    34.
    February 23, 2009
    2:39 pm

    christ on a bike – just read how horribly repetitive that sentence was
    desperately need to get some sleep…

    Comment by Leigh O'Gorman
    35.
    February 23, 2009
    2:43 pm

    jim theses snippets are nearly as painful to listen to as the tripe being produced by the cork county board.

    Comment by derek murphy
    36.
    February 23, 2009
    2:46 pm

    Thank God, someone who isn’t drinking the Kool Aid (both author and several commenters after). All too often I think critics and fans alike like it because they feel they HAVE to; it is U2 after all. Jim, you wrote exactly what I’ve been thinking/feeling for the last 5 days now after getting the album. Bar Magnificent, this is rambling, pointless and drab. There is nothing for me to get excited about after 20+ years as a fan. It’s sad. Thanks for being realistic!

    Comment by Amy Battis
    37.
    February 23, 2009
    2:52 pm

    Derek @ 35 – I can see that quote a sticker to be attached to the copies getting shipped to the PROC right now

    Amy @ 36 – I passed on the Kool Aid because I prefer Cidona. Thanks for your comment.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    38.
    February 23, 2009
    3:17 pm

    I had a lot of suspicions and fears on the run in to this album as i felt it was being over hyped by the media. My gut feeling and fears were founded. I listened to the album thanks to the leak from Australia and I have to say its very disappointing If Van Gough heard this album he would have cut his other ear off. No doubt U2 will embark on a world tour, Bono, looking like a raccoon now with his eyeshadow will call for governments to give more money to overseas aid and do more for Africa as the band salt their millions from royalties and merchandising into a dutch tax shelter, which is ironic as overseas aid is based on tax receipts.
    After 30 years of being a U2 fan and following them to the four corners of the world on world tours through out the years this is the end of the ‘line’ for me.
    I would even use the CD as a coaster and If U2 were playing for free outside my house I couldn’t be bothered.

    Comment by Bugsy Sugars
    39.
    February 23, 2009
    3:22 pm

    Oh cool, a bunch of Irish begrudgers pissing on their own as usual. *yawn*

    Comment by Cazza
    41.
    February 23, 2009
    3:39 pm

    Cazza @ 39 – just to confirm something: if someone writes a non-favourable review of an album, they’re a “begrudger”. Or does this just apply to u2 reviews?

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    42.
    February 23, 2009
    3:45 pm

    @ Cazza,

    Hardly begrudgery when the review is intelligently written and structured with reasonable arguments.

    Comment by Leigh O'Gorman
    43.
    February 23, 2009
    3:48 pm

    I think Cazza has the wrong end of the stick. This has nothing to do with being irish begrudgers. This has to do with being life-long U2 fans who have had to watch them produce more and more inferior material for over a decade.

    It would be ridiculous to suggest that anything from the last 15 years comperes to their output from their first 15.

    Obviously they are not the same guys they once were but they have let quality control slip as they lost their hunger. There is no more challenges in the music world. They’ve won. They’ve beaten all of the competition. They are the Rolling Stones. They are the benchmark.

    The only problem with this complacency is that they have now become the nostalgia act and are becoming less and less relevant with each album. The albums is no longer a statement/snapshot but purely the excuse to tour. The tour is a massively structured affair with every trivial gesture mapped out.

    I want to love it but I just can’t.

    Comment by James D
    44.
    February 23, 2009
    3:50 pm

    Cazza@39 -”Oh cool, a bunch of Irish begrudgers pissing on their own as usual. *yawn*”

    I was wondering when the ‘You’re all a bunch of begrudgers’ line would be wheeled out. There it is. I thought it would come a lot sooner. Comment 39. Not bad.

    Comment by Quint
    45.
    February 23, 2009
    3:55 pm

    Here’s a prediction. It’s approx 2012 and U2 are releasing their 2000-2010 collection.

    All of the hits are present but they have chosen to use the remixed and re-recorded versions of the NLOTH singles.

    When they did it for the ‘Pop’ singles on the 1990-2000 collection, it didn’t sit well with me. It won’t go down well with me again when they do it in about 3 years…rewriting history anyone?

    Comment by James D
    46.
    February 23, 2009
    3:55 pm

    I applaud you for being honest about U2. This album stinks and I am tired of the fools saying it is great or comparable to Achtung Baby. People have to admit that U2 are now a tired old boring band. they can’t write good music and the last decade has shown they never will be as good as they once were. In my opinion, they should retire and all their material from the last decade should be destroyed.

    Comment by KellyKinsel
    47.
    February 23, 2009
    3:58 pm

    Johnnie Craig’s well written and balanced 2 star review of the album for State shares a similar sentiment. U2 fans weren’t happy.

    http://www.state.ie/blog/review-u2-%E2%80%93-no-line-on-the-horizon/

    As does Jonathan O’Brien’s in the Business Post yesterday who gave it 2 stars.

    Comment by Niall
    48.
    February 23, 2009
    3:58 pm

    Okay lads – just throwing this out there : if brand U2 are on the wain and everyone is losing their jobs then surely the 3 rumoured dates for Croker won’t sell out? If Bruce can’t sell out 3 dates in 09 (i am reliable informed a third was planned pending the first 2 selling out like 08) who is to say U2 can?

    Imagine….Bono singing to a half empty Croker…stranger things have happened.

    Comment by Sean D
    49.
    February 23, 2009
    3:59 pm

    U2 officially stink now! 3 strikes and you are out!
    The last 3 albums have been disappointing overhyped garbage. This album was u2’s last chance to win back my following but they failed miserably. I have canceled my pre-order for No Line On the Horizon and I am not even going to bother going to see them live.

    Comment by u2guy2002
    50.
    February 23, 2009
    4:16 pm

    This is why this blog should have won Best Music Blog at the weekend blog love-in.

    A fantastic, forsensic, fair-handed critique of the U2 album pointing out the stuff no-one else has done. Followed by dozens and dozens of really solid, thoughtful comments – and a few eejits into the bargain

    Bravo Jim – keep up the good work

    Comment by Standard Issue
    51.
    February 23, 2009
    4:20 pm

    I’d like to make a point here about how long U2 have been going. What is now? 30 years-ish? I think this fact should be kept in mind. I’m not saying it’s an excuse for once great acts to use when they deliver an album that is a little below par but it must be noted that it is extraordinarily difficult to be at your best for that length of time. Every artist experiences peaks and troughs. The very nature of art is that you can not guarantee success (in artistic terms) no matter how much you try.

    U2 have made some remarkable music over the last 30 years, they have also made some not as good stuff too. That is the way of it. 30 years is an awfully long time. I mean, look at The Beatles – they’re recording career lasted just 7 years. If they had stayed together for another 20 don’t you think it’s possible they would have made some less than great albums too?

    My point is, give U2 a break. They’ve given us all more than enough great music. And, to be perfectly honest, after 30 years and with nothing left to prove, NLOTNH is probably way better than any of us have any right to expect.

    (By the way, I actually really like the album.)

    Comment by Conor Furlong
    52.
    February 23, 2009
    5:07 pm

    Apparently they will release a completely different album in Eire than R.O.W…

    Comment by Wim
    53.
    February 23, 2009
    5:16 pm

    wow, no one is talking about the track Fez-Being Born. I’m absolutely loving this song. I dig the entire album as well, though I must say my personal favorite album of theirs is Pop, which just goes to show that everyone likes different flavors and that you can’t please everybody. NLOTH rocks and placing it right next to Achtung Baby is silly because that album was released 18 years ago and U2 is not the same band they were 18 years ago. The Rolling Stones couldn’t even keep writing great music as long as u2 has, I say bravo boyos, keep up the great work, can’t wait to see you over here in the states

    Comment by hanky
    54.
    February 23, 2009
    5:20 pm

    The u2 fans have woken up……

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    55.
    February 23, 2009
    5:25 pm

    Great post, Jim. At least someone is telling it like it is. Haven’t heard the full record yet

    Then how do you know that he’s telling it like it is if you don’t know that it is yet?

    Not that I disagree with the review – it’s a 3/5 album at the very most, but saying something like that smacks of not willing to give the album a chance in the first place.

    Oh and I can honestly say I’ve read more articles giving out about the hype around the album than hyping up the album itself.

    Comment by Joe
    56.
    February 23, 2009
    6:19 pm

    I happen to think it’s a masterpiece – worth every great review (ie 90% of the reviews published to date…) that it’s garnered…

    Of course there are those who are much too cool to admit to liking U2, who as a result can’t even open their ears to the sheer beauty, intricacy and grace that’s at play on this record. It’s your loss people…

    Comment by BTH
    57.
    February 23, 2009
    6:30 pm

    poor album I would not be a big u2 fan however what grinds my gears is the fact most of the irish print media are falling over themselves to say how great they are. loads more bands doing exciting things who can’t sell out whelans. I would like to see if u2 could achieve the success they have if they were a new band on the scene. they are a relic of the old music industry but you can’t argue witht the figures. Middle of the rosd dross aimed at people who but their 3 or 4 albums a year in tesco.

    Comment by Spacey
    58.
    February 23, 2009
    7:20 pm

    Wow! You really do not know what you are talking about. I really hope you are coherent with your dumb hate for Bono and U2 and do not buy tickets for the upcoming concerts in Croke Park, so it will be easy for European fans to get their seats. You do not deserve 3 concerts in a row, while real fans get less in their home countries. This album is truly great, full of inspiration and great moving songs, up there with Achtung baby -you just do not seem to get it. Lucky us.

    Comment by Fabrizio
    59.
    February 23, 2009
    7:21 pm

    I think it is a very good album. To say Magnificent is the only good song on the album, borders on ignorance and begrudging. For example, “moment of surrender” is a fantastic tune. I think the rolling stones album review gives a more honest, accurate review of the album

    Comment by tommd147
    60.
    February 23, 2009
    7:51 pm

    Some of you people are utterly clueless. “They aren’t as good as they used to be”, “the last three records are crap” “NLOTH sucks”. Well, frankly, you whiners and negative ninnies can suck it. What do you expect them to do? Keep creating the same record over and over again? Well, you can keep hoping, cause it ain’t gonna happen. Problem is you people are stuck in the 80’s, nothing they do will ever satisfy you. If they came out with Boy or October right now, you’d say it sucks, and it’s not like Fire or Joshua so it blows and you’re never being a fan again blah blah blah.

    News for you – this album is truly “magnificent”, in every sense of the word. So were the last two. Frankly I don’t want to hear the same shit I heard back in the 80’s. I appreciate it, I love it, but it has it’s place in time. Like achtungbaby, No Line threw me for a loop the first time I listened. Wasn’t quite familiar with the new sounds. But every single listen, each song just gets better and better. The song order is near perfect. They’ve opened new musical doors with this record, and I can honestly say I enjoy the adventure each one leads to. I’ll grant you Pop, which I think anyone can fairly criticize as rough, hurried and unfinished, as an album with far more clunkers than truly great songs. However the last 3 albums, I can count two songs per album that I feel aren’t up to par. That’s it. White as Snow and Stand Up Comedy just don’t seem to take off. But other than that the rest is simply wonderful.

    Must suck to be one of those always looking at new U2 with the glass half empty. Odds are you live your real life like that as well. Some of you folks are truly pathetic.

    Comment by Brad
    61.
    February 23, 2009
    9:01 pm

    A 4 star review in the normally astute Culture Mag and a 5 in Rolling Stone. Thanks Jim, it’s refreshing to see that there is still people in the mainstream media willing to tell it as it is.

    Comment by hugger
    62.
    February 23, 2009
    11:53 pm

    @ 60 – “What do you expect them to do? Keep creating the same record over and over again? Well, you can keep hoping, cause it ain’t gonna happen.”
    But it is happening and that’s exactly the point… Don’t be surprised if a burly doorman asks you to leave politely (without making a scene) next time your in the Clarence Jim!

    Comment by barryb
    63.
    February 24, 2009
    12:18 am

    Ah, the Irish sure love to piss on their own. You are all miserable bastards.
    I love this new album, it’s thrillingly kinetic & vibrant. It’s fresh, but gives a nod to all their albums & sounds, even Passengers. It closes another trilogy in their oeuvre, as all their studio lps fit into a trilogy.

    I look forward to their tour, and it will be awesome, you wankers. And I look forward, as well, to their next album later this year.

    As for you fans who actually listened to the album instead of running around like a chicken with its head cut off from 30 sec clips, and liked it, well… good on you. Didn’t Magnificent just send you goosebumps?!

    Bye for now, Ireland

    Comment by G Brogan
    64.
    February 24, 2009
    1:03 am

    Brad the real issue is, that the irish like to criticise and slag off their own. It’s what we love to do. For me, an album that needs the few listen’s for it to be properly grasped is better than the usual obvious chords/beats. Big risks from u2, Its paid off, and all the mainstream reviewers (outside of Ireland) concur. Jim I cannot believe you do not believe that Moment of Surrender, Stand up Comedy & I know I’l go crazy, are not good tunes.

    Comment by tommd147
    65.
    February 24, 2009
    1:43 am

    So how about that Guns N’ Roses record?

    Comment by Dave
    66.
    February 24, 2009
    4:51 am

    they should of got tony visconti in to produce it.Give eno/lanois a rest.its broke and they havent fixed it.

    Comment by colm
    67.
    February 24, 2009
    8:57 am

    someone must have linked this blog to a U2 messageboard overnight…!

    Comment by Sean D
    68.
    February 24, 2009
    8:58 am

    Seems I’m not alone in my views on the album. Here’s Nick Kelly’s review which appeared in the Irish Indo on Saturday – http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/no-light-on-the-horizon-for-u2-1648347.html

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    69.
    February 24, 2009
    9:01 am

    Taking a wild guess, I suspect I will fall somewhere in the middle of all of these comments…

    U2 have not pushed the boundaries for a while but they have still written some pretty good pop tunes, including some on their last two albums before this one…

    I do agree that the enormous hype and bombast around the release of this album does seem somewhat removed from the current reality of where we are at… This outdated marketing approach has probably given everyone pre-conceived ideas of the album within however…

    And after all, it IS only an album… one of the posters above made an interesting point about it closing a trilogy and that it will be followed by another album within a year… i’d be interested to see if that happens…

    A good to great album – probably not… Does it deserve to be vilified – probably only because of the rigmarole that has surrounded it… It was never going to sit well with supposed “cutting-edge-need-to-have-something-new-every-day” blogging cliques…

    Comment by Ally
    70.
    February 24, 2009
    9:03 am

    Was curious to see what sort of activity this thread saw overnight. As I suspected, all the loonies came out of the woodwork. They are entitled to an opinion however. Just like we is.

    Their nonsense is bordering on that Michael Jackson idolatry that really sets my teeth on edge. Love Is Blindness indeed.

    Comment by James D
    71.
    February 24, 2009
    9:33 am

    Ah, the Irish sure love to piss on their own. You are all miserable bastards.

    You’ve really captured the Irish people who don’t like this album, “self-haters”. Can’t have anything to do with the music.

    What about foreigners who don’t like the album, are they prejudiced against Irish people, too?

    Remember when Americans criticised the Bush presidency they were ‘not patriotic” and all foreign critics were ‘anti-American’.

    Good to see this truly moronic reductionism is alive and well. In saying that, I’m sure Irish begrudgery is alive and well, but many music enthusiasts dislike the U2 album because, well, it’s not good.

    Comment by Steve K
    72.
    February 24, 2009
    9:55 am

    Anyone else see the irony in those who really like the album claiming an anti-U2 agenda and resorting to personal attacks rather than addressing the review here that goes to some lengths to critique the source material?

    To dismiss a review like this as merely ‘begrudgery’ is incredibly hypocritical of those who seem to think a bad u2 review must simply be a case of someone with an agenda rather than someone who – SHOCK HORROR – didn’t think it was that good.

    If you DO like the album or disagree with the review tell us why without resorting to fanboy-isms.

    For the record I listened to it for a second time on my drive home last night and it still didn’t strike me as anything above a 3/5 album – it’s not bad but it’s nothing remarkable and bar ‘Magnificent’ (Which is still stuck in my head) I don’t think there’s anything on this I’ll be listening to a month later.

    Comment by Joe
    73.
    February 24, 2009
    9:55 am

    who opened the looney bin overnight??

    Comment by Leigh O'Gorman
    74.
    February 24, 2009
    10:03 am

    Good review. It’s nice to read a well-written and thoughtful music piece that has a bit of space to develop a serious point about an album, rather than the usual digest + thumbs up/down rating.

    Comment by Mumblin' Deaf Ro
    75.
    February 24, 2009
    10:07 am

    this is beginning to remind me of an old Scratch cartoon from years ago, where the original reviewer of the Joshua Tree wrote that it was garbage before the the editor rewrote it to say that it was genius…

    Can do no wrong, eh..? Hmmm… I tend not to be a fan of perfection

    Comment by Leigh O'Gorman
    76.
    February 24, 2009
    10:36 am

    Ah, the Irish sure love to piss on their own. You are all miserable bastards.

    See, you would NEVER get a comment like that on twitter

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    77.
    February 24, 2009
    10:41 am

    Well spoken Joe @ 72.

    We must be living parallel lives. With all the hoopla yesterday, I decided to give it an earful again on the way home. I doubt I will visit the album again anytime soon.

    In the interim Jim, don’t let the bastards drag you down (tee hee!).

    Comment by James D
    78.
    February 24, 2009
    1:54 pm

    Just 60 sec. per track are not enough and the true opinion can come only after listening each track at least three times. Definitely it’s not the best U2 album but some tracks seem to be really catching, and it’s ironic that the first track released (get on your boots) is probably the less impressive and, in the long term, the most boring. Anyway not bad if compared to other recent productions from the most popular U2clones. I guess it’s worth the money…

    Comment by Roberto G.
    79.
    February 24, 2009
    2:06 pm

    No, no Roberto, it’s not worth the money.

    I think most of us have heard the full album at this stage as opposed to the 60 second nonsense. The album is for the best part the sound of a band soaking up the economies of small countries.

    Comment by James D
    80.
    February 24, 2009
    2:30 pm

    Hello to everyone who is now coming here on the back of the line from the online stream at http://www.irishtimes.com/u2

    There’s a review in the post at the top of the page and loads and loads of comments above on that review.

    Please feel free to just leave your views on the album if you don’t have the time to spare to read what’s above

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    81.
    February 24, 2009
    2:39 pm

    Any new Aslan material you could stream there instead Jim?!? Ah go on.

    Comment by NaRocRoc
    82.
    February 24, 2009
    2:42 pm

    NaRocRoc – good to meet u the other night. U missed it – nialler pulled out a dubstep remix of “Crazy World” that tore the house down

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    83.
    February 24, 2009
    4:05 pm

    Sounds like the good shit alright Jim!

    And you too.

    Comment by NaRocRoc
    84.
    February 24, 2009
    4:29 pm

    I have listened to this album a couple of times and on first hearing I thought it was very average but as you give it time it is a grower but there just isn’t anything about it that’s different and you feel you have heard all these tunes before in a different guise. Some of the musical cadences or tricks just sound plain naff. Their rhytmn section has always been stodgy and it’s no different here. They always seem to play the same chords on the piano as well but you’ve heard it all before. It’s fine, a little adventurous but you kind of wish they had gone the whole hog.

    Comment by Ed, London
    85.
    February 24, 2009
    4:41 pm

    this album will be in Walmart clearance bins soon after its release…guaranteed!

    Comment by dave
    86.
    February 24, 2009
    7:44 pm

    You will soon be queueing for album and tickets, still complaining at the same time… guaranteed. But I still hope you will not, so maybe U2 give up their stupid idea of playing 3 concerts in Dublin and give the rest of Europe better chances.

    You will regret the U2 days in a few years… Ireland will never be able to get to that musical level again.

    You want to know why the album is great? Easy: a) it has at least 6 truly great songs: 1st 4 tracks + Fez and White as snow; b) lyrics are at Bono’s top; c) it brings new sound and new melodies (who said it’s the same song all over should pay a visit to his doctor, seriously); d) it’s very well played and sung; e) it has the epic sound I have been longing on for the last 10 years.

    Comment by Fabrizio
    87.
    February 24, 2009
    7:51 pm

    They’re interviewed on BBC 2 Culture Show by that empty vessel of intellectual vacuity that is Lauren Laverne tonight, (repeated Friday)..Huge amount of coverage across BBC radio and TV this week in the lead up to the album’s release. It’s prompted a complaint from a Tory MP as to why a station that’s paid for by taxpayer through licence fees is being used as a publicity machine for the turkey of an album that’s about to be released. You have to say, he’s got a point.

    Comment by Quint
    88.
    February 24, 2009
    8:03 pm

    Quint – I was actually on The Last Word with Matt Cooper earlier talking to that MP about that same thing. I don’t think I’d ever have agreed with a Tory MP before, but I did this time out. At the very least, u2’s publicity supremo Regine Moylett deserves a monster bonus for all this.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    89.
    February 24, 2009
    10:06 pm

    It doesnt matter what you all in here are saying about the album. For me personally when U2 give me songs like Magnificent they do not need to do anything else. The best song ever written this decade. I absolutely love it.

    Comment by EK
    90.
    February 25, 2009
    12:07 am

    So if a critic likes U2’s new album, they are automatically holding out for a bull session with the Edge? Wow. If that’s not condescending, I don’t know what is.

    Comment by Brian Chidester
    91.
    February 25, 2009
    8:46 am

    @Quint – isn’t it worth it just for the hugely embarrassing trailers BBC2 are running? Nothing says The World’s Biggest Band Are Back quite like those slow-mo swaggering silhouettes, the apocalyptic flashing lights, and the repetition of THE best lyric ever written, “Let me in the sound / Let me in the sound…”

    Comment by Johnnie
    92.
    February 25, 2009
    9:18 am

    EK @ 89 – You really need to get out more.

    Jim can I just clarify…all these folks called Roberto, Fabrizio, etc…they are real people, aren’t they?

    I watched that Culture Show special on ‘the 2′ last night and was pleasantly surprised. While I haven’t changed my opinion on the album and the programmes’ slant was unbearably fawning, it gave a real indication that the songs were designed for live performance. They did sound a little more lively but I don’t know whether they might rise above being just filler to the stronger moments in their catalogue.

    While Bono is always a cock, I was surprised to hear even Larry talk with a bit of ego.

    Comment by James D
    93.
    February 25, 2009
    9:25 am

    James D – oh, they’re real. They’re real.

    It’s interesting to see the u2 fans playing the man rather than the ball with their comments. That would be fair enough if the above review didn’t concentrate on the music rather than everything else which comes with the band (Bono, tax, stupid sunglasses, Bono etc). If the review had ignored the music in favour of such easy targets, such criticisms would be valid. As it stands, though, even they have to admit t’s a patchy album

    I went off last night and read some of the glowing reviews the band are getting for this and am totally amazed at how so-called tough hacks have fallen for this. Maybe there is ANOTHER version of NLOTH which I need to hear?

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    94.
    February 25, 2009
    9:34 am

    Typical Irish fucking begrudgery here. Stick to your whiny indie shite and hippity-hop. U2 make REAL music and will be around long after crap like animal collective have gone. You should be PROUD of them as irishmen. But I suppose you lot of bedwetters don’t like REAL bands like oasis or aslan either

    Comment by The Hedge
    95.
    February 25, 2009
    9:43 am

    @ 94 I take that comment as tongue firmly in cheek. You forgot The Corrs

    So I believe the two mentally challenged people who started queuing for the album outside HMV yesterday for the album have gone home, they are no longer on Grafton St someone played them a leaked copy I imagine.

    Comment by Spacey
    96.
    February 25, 2009
    9:45 am

    The Hedge – you also forgot Mama’s Boys

    Spacey – they’re gone home? Noooooo! Are you sure? They looked fairly determined to me. I’d love to know what u2 make of this. I’m sure they’d have no problems if it was a bunch of emo kids who were hanging around waiitng to buy the albums but it’s another thing when the queue reminds them that their support base is not so hip or so young any more.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    97.
    February 25, 2009
    10:07 am

    @86-”You will regret the U2 days in a few years… Ireland will never be able to get to that musical level again.”

    Yeah, a bit like Eurovision.

    Comment by Peter81
    98.
    February 25, 2009
    10:23 am

    Some U2 fans need to get a life and stop pretending Bono is God.

    It’s simple a shite album. 3 good tracks and thats.

    I dont the odd shite album. but what disturbs me is that U2 are convinced this is the best album or there bouts.

    If U2 think this is good, then I worry as a life long fan for the nex direction.

    I think Bono an Co will realises its a shite album once the sales for their shows dont sell out. Their loonie continental fan base will always be there even if Bono sang phone numbers for yellow pages.

    U2 can do much better and I hope they do .

    My advice to U2 is:

    Go Away And Dream It All Up Again.

    Comment by Jason
    99.
    February 25, 2009
    10:34 am

    I’m with Peter81 on this suggestion that Ireland will never reach the dizzy oxygen starved heights of U2 again. These negative souls seem to be quick to forget Enya, Daniel, No Sweat (Heart & Soul anyone?), OTT or The Carter Twins.

    For God’s sake we brought Johnny Logan, Linda Martin, Niamh Kavanagh, Dana, those ‘Rock N’ Roll Kids’ aul lads and that blonde dolly bird who sand The Voice to the Eurovision alone…that’s at least 2 million viewers a year!

    Riverdance? You’re welcome! Not what do you have to say for yourselves Chico, Franco & co…?

    Comment by James D
    100.
    February 25, 2009
    10:41 am

    No-one has mentioned the cranberries yet, have they?

    Back to the album y’all please…..

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    101.
    February 25, 2009
    10:50 am

    I also watched the Culture Show last night and was also pleasantly surprised at how well they came across. Larry appeared to say that he found Bono’s non-band activities annoying. Lauren even conducted a half-decent interview, very interesting in parts.

    Despite not liking Get Your Boots, it did sound noticeably much better live. As James D said, U2 believe the test of the album is how it sounds live.

    Regarding the MP, what nonsense. He hasn’t got a point at all, publicity stunt.

    U2, like it or not, are the biggest band in the planet, and it’s only natural that one of the biggest broadcasters would dedicate some of their programming to the release of the album and shock horror, would advertise the fact in advance.

    Comment by nerraw
    102.
    February 25, 2009
    10:56 am

    Regarding the MP, what nonsense. He hasn’t got a point at all, publicity stunt.

    It sure worked. He even got the Daily Mail on his side.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    103.
    February 25, 2009
    11:00 am

    It’ll be interesting to see how well this new album sells. I’ve listened to it a few times now and I just don’t hear any hit singles. It will (of course) fly out of the shops in the first month or so but after that…. I’m not so sure. Record company execs thinking that this album will save the industry may well be in for a rude awakening.

    As for the sound of the album, I don’t think the comparisons with “Achtung Baby” are appropriate, to me it sounds like a cross between “All That You Can’t Leave Behind” and “Zooropa”.

    Comment by Conor Furlong
    104.
    February 25, 2009
    11:09 am

    (I sent this comment earlier this morning but my pc packed up half way thru so apologies if it appears in another guise)

    One point did pop into my head during the autopsy of this corpse. Listening habits have changed – music consumption has gone up while attention spans have gone down. We don’t necessarily return to albums as much as we once did.

    How would it have faired 20 years ago?

    Comment by James D
    105.
    February 25, 2009
    12:24 pm

    No begudgery here, but I really had hoped for better. This is starting to look like the first U2 album that I don’t go out and buy.

    Weren’t we promised a radical change in direction? I was hoping for a Radiohead OK Computer to Kid A-style shift, but I guess that was dumb.

    Watching them on the Culture Show last night, it sounded like they think they deserve a medal for sticking together so long. Lads, that’s not the point.

    Comment by David P
    106.
    February 25, 2009
    1:27 pm

    Fabrizio and Roberto, your comments remind me of Summer 2000 when I got pissed with a bunch of Italian students in the Mezz and I got a kick in the ballbag because I dared suggest U2 were crap.

    Maybe we can lend U2 to Italy? For ever?

    Comment by Darragh
    107.
    February 25, 2009
    3:07 pm

    truely THEE worst album of the year so far , this is a dud by miles.5YEARS making it , what the hell ??? Bono get off your high horse and realise that the fans arnt going to take this crap any longer.Your in a bubble , but you know what your bubble had burst , it s crap your crap and you need to get back in the studio and make great music agian .Please PROVE ME WRONG, just wait tillt he figures come out , this is doomed to fail

    Comment by aussieu2
    108.
    February 25, 2009
    3:57 pm

    The album got a 5 star review in Q (naturally) and 4 in ‘Uncut’, both out today . Is there another version of the album out there? WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!

    Comment by Quint
    109.
    February 25, 2009
    6:15 pm

    Nothing new here. We have heard it all before. Every track reminds me of other tracks recorded previously by U2 . Bono’s voice is as boring as ever, track after track, it seems endless. Let some of the other guys in the band take the vocals now and again. Take a few risks. Getting a new producer,(one you have never used before), would be a great idea. Time for a change,lads.

    Comment by Kim.
    110.
    February 25, 2009
    7:29 pm

    @106 – in Italy they’re called ooh-eh doo-eh

    Comment by Liam
    111.
    February 25, 2009
    7:57 pm

    “Joe” Carroll, you “music blog fascist!” Express an informed dislike of a U2 album? How dare you… Gotta love drivetime radio music analysis (as Matt Cooper and Stu Clark demonstrated on TodayFM this eve).

    Comment by barryb
    112.
    February 25, 2009
    8:09 pm

    Ah bless……

    Buy hey, that Matt knows his onions.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    113.
    February 25, 2009
    8:10 pm

    “@106 – in Italy they’re called ooh-eh doo-eh”

    In Italy you are called… I won’t say. Surely I can at least write in English; I am not sure you can do the same neither in English nor in Italian.

    “Fabrizio and Roberto, your comments remind me of Summer 2000 when I got pissed with a bunch of Italian students in the Mezz and I got a kick in the ballbag because I dared suggest U2 were crap. Maybe we can lend U2 to Italy? For ever?”

    That would actually be a good idea…

    Seriously, I simply think you do not give U2 a chance because you don’t even want to try. I was skeptical about the album being good, due to all the delays and the hype, but it is, for the reasons I explained (and none of you cared about). Luckily I am not the only one saying this; if the world was like this blog I would feel rather alone ;-)

    Anyway: please DO NOT BUY TICKETS FOR CROKE PARK, anyone. So I will not have the usual trouble, clicking the night away to get 2 tickets. And tell your friends ;-)

    Comment by Fabrizio
    114.
    February 26, 2009
    12:13 am

    Finally, a platform where the ‘fan’s’ get an opportunity to critique. So here goes: Bono – have you finally lost all your marbles?? I mean, we wait 5 years for what is promised to be the ‘best’ work produced by the ‘biggest rock band in the world’, and this is what we get? ‘Get on your Boots’ is nothing but a joke – there’s no other explanation for it. As for the album, (which I’ve had for almost a week now thanks to the cock-up early online release in Australia). ‘No Line on the Horizon’ is okay, ‘Magnificent’ is excellent – best one, ‘Moment of Surrender’ is very good, ‘Unknown Caller’ is complete and utter shite -pardon my french-but that is all it is. Mind- boggling how this track ever saw the light of day. ‘I’ll Go Crazy If I Don’t Go Crazy Tonight’ is…. not bad, but a very dodgy ‘high-note’ attempt by Bono (how was that overlooked?). From then on, the remainder of the album is fairly crap – just bland, forgettable. As for Brian Eno and Daniel Lanois and the likes, isn’t it U2 just stop hiring them? Can’t U2 produce an album on their own? My advice; don’t waste your money buying this album – just download ‘Magnificent’ and leave it at that. As for U2, you guys really need to take a reality check – next time, just go to the Aran Islands – just the four of you and put together an album in one month only. Guarantee you you’ll come up with something far superior to the tripe your about to release. As for Paul McGuinness? Tough. You’re not going to reap a fortune this time by sticking your snout into the cash trough that is U2.

    Comment by Cian
    115.
    February 26, 2009
    1:52 am

    To me this album sounds like Boy, October and War except the singer sounds 30 years older.

    Comment by Jerry
    116.
    February 26, 2009
    3:19 am

    The arrival of a new U2 album has a strange effect on seemingly sane people. Many of my fellow critics, for instance, have greeted the new arrival with open arms, ticker-tape parades, unrestrained praise and new shades of purple prose. Such unpoetic arse-licking is to be expected from the band’s own golden circle of house-trained scribes, but it’s something else entirely when usually reliable bellwethers join the circus.

    U2 are The Biggest Rock & Roll Band In The World. They are probably the main reason why there’s an Irish pop scene in the first place. But what do they know about club culture and dance music? Bono and The Edge go dancing with Jim Carroll.

    What do U2 mean to you? If Fatboy Slim is ‘the band of the Nineties, man’, U2 were the Band Of The Eighties, the ones who sounded out that decade to such a degree that one listen to “The Best Of U2, 1980-1990″ is certain to throw you back to more earnest times. Forget the likes of Culture Club and the Human League for a moment and remember the decade in the sound of U2’s bites.

    “Sunday Bloody Sunday”. That Red Rocks outdoor show. Playing the Phoenix Park in ‘83. The “New Gold Dream” rush of “Pride”. Going moodily epic with “The Unforgettable Fire”. Live-Aid. Conquering America. Playing Croke Park. Standing around in a desert looking moody for Anton Corbijn’s Instamatic. Cowboy hats. Lots of cowboy hats. Discovering the blues. Hanging with BB King. “Rattle & Hum”.

    Comment by unalovesjim
    117.
    February 26, 2009
    9:52 am

    CRAP , worst album of 09.And as for tax evasion, you want me to give money to Africa and you got Billions overseas, WHAT A JOKE .Play with someone else not me

    Comment by aussie u2
    118.
    February 26, 2009
    10:34 am

    DO NOT BUY TICKETS FOR CROKE PARK

    Quid pro quo. We won’t buy tickets if you’ll stop asking us not to.

    Comment by Ian
    119.
    February 26, 2009
    11:55 am

    I am not convinced regarding their artistic and economic integrity.also I am tired of Bonos not too powerful voice.Catchy numbers but not brilliantly innovative.How good is the band without technical assists and amplification?

    Comment by kieranov
    120.
    February 26, 2009
    12:00 pm

    NLOTH is like entering the twilight zone blindfolded.
    But when you listen a couple of times to the songs you’ll adjust and embrace them. (I have only heard the 60 sec versions on this site)
    It’s not only about good or bad songs. It’s far more than that. Those who have been to any U2 concert know what I mean. And for those who don’t even get the picture after a few sessions of listening: Go and find another band you can piss on.

    Comment by Red Venus
    121.
    February 26, 2009
    12:02 pm

    listened again, will not buy,but will give them a fair hearing.So called celebrities often lose their artistic edge[no pun intended]

    Comment by kieranov
    122.
    February 26, 2009
    12:06 pm

    Another day dawns…….

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    123.
    February 26, 2009
    12:24 pm

    “CRAP , worst album of 09.And as for tax evasion, you want me to give money to Africa and you got Billions overseas, WHAT A JOKE .Play with someone else not me”

    Wow, great, 2009 has just begun and you can see into the future! Can you lend me your crystal ball?

    OK, so you judge the album on the basis of the behaviour on taxes and money given to Africa… fair enough, surely.

    You guys simply go on babbling about the album being crap but it seems to me you do not have a clue.

    Not liking U2 at all, for whatever reason, and this album as a consequence, is obviously OK. I do not like e.g. Oasis too much, but this does not mean they are crap. But just ranting about this album being U2’s worst result, and worst result in general in an year that is just starting … come on, you have no arguments.

    Comment by Fabrizio
    124.
    February 26, 2009
    12:29 pm

    come on, you have no arguments.

    Fabrizio, my friend, there are 1,100 words of an argument as to why this album is not very good at the top of this page. Lets stick to that, shall we?

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    125.
    February 26, 2009
    1:16 pm

    Good man Jim,your response to U2 ,their music and performances is objectively sound.I had a U2experience at the Gorey Arts Festival way back,80 something.They were novices but exciting and unique.But will Bono ever attain the artistic stature of performers such as Ella Fitzgerald?…Regarding the lyrics of many of their songs I believe there is much artistic pretension as with the work many over hyped groups who receive rapturous, unquestioning adulation

    Comment by kieranov
    126.
    February 26, 2009
    2:36 pm

    @125-”But will Bono ever attain the artistic stature of performers such as Ella Fitzgerald?…”

    Some nights I lie awake wondering.

    Comment by Peter81
    127.
    February 26, 2009
    4:27 pm

    Gets better with a couple of listens, not very striking first time around and some of the lyrics are a bit cringworthy.

    It’s no Joshua Tree

    Comment by David Harrington
    128.
    February 26, 2009
    4:42 pm

    Jim, do you ever think the rabid U2 fans read comments left by blinded fans of other acts (like Radiohead for example) and think ‘my God they’re a bit ridiculous’ and vice versa?

    Comment by Joe
    129.
    February 26, 2009
    6:48 pm

    Jim @112 – to be fair he does surely…as for U2? They’ve long since ran out of creative momentum. And I just can’t get past Bono’s voice anymore. Its like Tom Cruise in a movie nowadays, slightly panto and far too distracting.

    Comment by barryb
    130.
    February 26, 2009
    8:40 pm

    I have not heard the whole of “No Line on the Horizon” yet but am very interested to hear it. The songs which I have heard apart from “Get Your Boots On, ” (which I did think a poor single) filled me with quite a bit of optimism. Rolling Stone have given it 5 stars, Q have given it 5 stars, Uncut have given it 4 stars, the Irish Times have officially given it 4 stars although I am not sure Jim Carroll was consented on that one. If any other act had received such glowing praise I suspect that most of the the people who have commented above would not suspect a conspiracy. So why is it with U2 that we are all so cynical?
    Is there a conspiracy?In his first paragraph Jim alludes to the fact that “many of his fellow critics” ie Kevin Courtney “have greeted the new arrival with open arms,” perhaps Jim could enlighten us as to why his publication was so complimentary to the album? surely his fellow colleagues are not in the “Golden Circle” of “Arse Lickers” which he so scathingly describes? A publication which prides itself on such objective criticism would not surely stoop to such depths just to get a “25 minute bull session with The Edge.” Has the Irish Times become such a cynical place?

    Comment by Kevin
    131.
    February 26, 2009
    8:49 pm

    difficult to explain and say some new things about this 4 dublin boys… written in my soul again .
    thanks a lot !!

    Comment by tommaso
    132.
    February 26, 2009
    8:56 pm

    Jim, if someone loves the album surely their opinion is as valid as someone who hates it. I’ll give mine when I actually listen to ALL of it. Your comments are a bit over the top, being passionate about something can blind you both ways?

    Comment by Joe
    133.
    February 26, 2009
    10:24 pm

    From the samples on this website I can sagely (HA! Sigmund… statue?)… SAFELY say that I will love it :) Very excited :)

    Comment by Paddy D'Arcy
    134.
    February 26, 2009
    10:58 pm

    Blinded U2 fans are a strange breed. I should state on the strength of their back catalogue, U2 are in my top 5 favourite bands ever, and I feel Jim is/was a fan as well. Otherwise it would of just been jibes about the members of the band as opposed to the music.

    I agree with a comment posted earlier that for anyone to claim this is a grower really translates to ‘you have to listen to it multiple times to attempt to convince yourself its not as mediocre as what you first thought’.

    I was thinking for any person being totally objective, the most you could sanely give this album would be 3.5/5, and the least before it comes just a stupid personal attack, 2/5. Personally I give it 2.5/5.

    They do attempt to do somethings different, but that is only relative to their 2000s output. If this came out in say, 1998, it would of been proclaimed as U2 going back to their roots.

    The first 2 tracks are very good, Moment of Surrender for all the hyperbole which surrounds it, is crap. Nothing much else happens until FEZ-Being Born, which is somewhat interesting, then I don’t mind the last 3 tracks.

    The last time U2 produced an excellent album was Zooropa, the last time they were daring in anyway was on Pop. Since then, they have produced some good songs (City Of Blinding Lights, Beautiful Day, Walk On, New York, Vertigo, Magnificent & the title track off the new album), but the consistency in song writing isn’t there, and hasn’t been since 1993.

    So why do people keep praising them? Well they have a track record, they have produced 3-4 undisputable classics, and another 4-5 good/very good albums. Problem is all of this happened in the first 15 years of their career, and they are now simply trading off the excellence of that period. This isnt a unique problem to U2, basically every band ever which has been around as long has run out of steam, and often a lot quicker than U2. That said, it doesn’t give anyone an excuse to pretend New Line On The Horizon is ‘the Achtung Baby of 2009′

    Comment by Alex
    135.
    February 26, 2009
    11:07 pm

    One more think, a poster mentioned ‘u2 will be around long after crap like Animal Collective have gone’. Well maybe, maybe not. However I can bet any money if U2 came out with the same album as Animal Collective have, the same fans who deride AC would be creaming themselves on U2’s ‘brave, changing the face of music’ direction.

    For the record – Animal Collective’s new album I do like, but I can guarantee the band will never achieve the level of cross-over success U2 have. Surely that isnt the point though.

    Comment by Alex
    136.
    February 27, 2009
    7:03 am

    Go to sleep Peter81.your imagination there is probably far more fertile.and let the reality of mediocrity today thrive as it does ,financially ,artistically,politically.Louis Walshe and his ilk thrive on sh..e Celebrity bores .rule OK.Bono and CO in reality [if this is possible]are,thriving caricatures of their comical selves.Sad poor world

    Comment by kieranov
    137.
    February 27, 2009
    8:33 am

    Have a listen to the first song off U2’s new album: No line on the Horizon. It is a perfect blend of two tracks off Achtung Baby: End of the World & Even Better than the Real Thing.

    Sure, these are early impressions. But my God!

    On their previous two albums they desperately tried to recapture the feel of The Joshua Tree (one of my fav albums of all time.) They did okay in places on All you Can’t Leave Behind (Ironic, I know) but had to give up by How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb and go back to their original producer Steve Lillywhite – and still failed to find any spark at all.

    It seems to me, they have decided to recapture Achtung Baby this time. Not a bad choice I suppose. The verses of the first single, Get on You Boots has elements of The Fly (A great song and first single off Achtung Baby – that the band has disowned of late, not making it onto the Greatest Hits 1990-2000 album). But if you are familiar with Achtung Baby – welcome to Achtung Clone Baby. And it will age very quickly, just like Dolly.

    The last two albums had one, very strong first single that kept them afloat. Just look at Larry’s face (when it ain’t blacked out) in the film clip to Get on Your Boots and you can tell he’s seen the writing on the wall.

    Without a Beautiful Day or Vertigo they are in big trouble.

    Comment by Kym Packer.
    138.
    February 27, 2009
    8:41 am

    Not too bad, but like many above I suppose at the end of the day I’m disappointed. We were led to believe this would be a new U2 sound and direction. Most of it sounds like rehashed “Achtung Baby”. Thankfully there is still some stand-out tracks….namely “Magnificent” and “Moment of Surrender”. Bono….you owe me a pint next time I see you in Finnegans. 6/10

    Comment by Mike Buckley
    139.
    February 27, 2009
    10:47 am

    kieranov @136
    Thanks, I’ll try and work that one out later.

    Comment by Peter81
    140.
    February 27, 2009
    11:29 am

    i think the album is seriously good, possibly great, and definitely their best since Achtung Baby

    their last two albums weren’t up to scrtch at all, with only 3 or 4 songs of any real merit between the two albums

    But Jim you are right in that they always try to be all things to all people, which is one of their major weaknesses and the three central songs typify this weakness

    those songs, boots, stand up and crazy are pure rubbish, complete substandard bland rock bore fests

    its interesting to note that eno was disappointed that they excluded ceratin tracks from the album, which he suggests were a bit more experimental

    but its clear u2 got cold feet and chickened out

    a bolder effort would have been more welcomed, but as the album is, there are 8 excellent tracks and definitely worth your time

    also finally its interesting to note that the 8 songs i really like were wrote with lanois and eno. the rest they came with by themselves and were porduced by lillywhite, who is a completely overrated producer

    they should really ditch steve lillywhite and thanks be to god they didn’t go ahead with rick rubin

    Comment by croni
    141.
    February 27, 2009
    12:59 pm

    What is WITH you people???

    I love this album more than life itself. It makes me glad to be alive. Magnificent, Unknown Caller and Breathe are instant U2 classics.

    I realize it’s very hip and chic to tear this band down. Yes, I realize I’m biased, but I just can’t understand how anyone can dislike U2. They are my favorite band and they have provided me with a soundtrack to my life, and many happy memories, and I will always thank them and love them for that.

    Comment by Diane L
    142.
    February 27, 2009
    1:27 pm

    lets` cut to the chase here people.. once I heard that dreadful effort of a single I didn`t have much hope. Washed up I think is the phrase that comes to mind. I always have fear when you hear a band say “this is our best work ever”. Reason being that they are trying to hype it up to hide that cracks.This is nothing new or adventurous.They have gone backwards end of story… Was gonna buy it but I honestly feel at this stage I have given the lads enough of my money since the 80`s.. Take a listen to “Red Hill Mining Town”.. Now that is Bono singing with heart and soul.. Not f**king “Boots” Bullshit.. Rafter

    Comment by Barry Harnett
    143.
    February 27, 2009
    1:55 pm

    U2 have been in the hype business than anyone cares to admit. And I’m speaking as a onetime committed fan.

    About a year ago, one of the UK music mags published a bunch of Anton Corbijn photos from the Joshua Tree cover shoot sessions, You know the stuff – deserts, cowboy hats, vests, everyone looking very serious. I said to a friend of mine “I can’t believe we were all taken in by it”. He looked at me archly and said “Not all of us were, you know”.

    Comment by Neil
    144.
    February 27, 2009
    2:07 pm

    Listened to the album all week.

    For me it’s a great album…magnificencent is a great song, what band do we know today could produce that? Moment of Surrender – how can music lovers not say this is a great song? Breathe ok very u2 but isn’t that what we like? – Unknown Caller, is a good song, Fez – being born is a great song ( I wonder if Radiohead released this what the reaction would be??) Ok boots is a mis step but is it a not a mis step in trying to experiment and innovate? We scold and run down bands like Travis et al for sounding the same all the time and yet when bands like u2 and cold play experiment a bit and we don’t like it, we condemn them. However we also condemn them if they don’t experiment enough – damned if they and damned if they don’t ehh??

    A thought before I finish – to all of you, you included Jim – sit down where you like to listen to music in your house, car wherever, put the album on,, close your eyes and imagine just imagine that you don’t know anything about Bono, you don’t know who he is, what he stands for, what he said, what president he was pictured with..Just imagine a friend gave u the album and u don’t know anything about the band………..that’s what an unbiased listen would be like.

    Comment by markod
    145.
    February 27, 2009
    2:16 pm

    Typical begrudgery put a band down when you probably havnt listened to the album 7 or more times. Think this is a great album and one that grows on you. If they were to keep making an album like previous ones it would be boring. True it isnt up there with Joshua Tree or Achtung Baby but is very very good. Music is all about being creative, innovative and experimenting. This is what these guys have done here. Think these tracks will be great LIVE!

    Comment by Dave M
    146.
    February 27, 2009
    2:57 pm

    in fairness don’t let the boots single put you off the album, its by far the weakest song on it

    it absolutely shocking how they picked it as first single,

    the majority of the album is great though

    it’s kind of interesting to see u2 critics get all defensive and sensitive when yer accused of being begrudgers, saying “typical, we’re talking about the music not the peolple, yet u2 fans go for the man rather than the ball”

    i’d say half of ye haven’t even heard the album more than once, any criticism of the actual music sounds pretty flimsy

    and jim, if you don’t think unknown caller fez-being born aren’t great tracks then i’m afraid there’s no hope for you

    Comment by croni
    147.
    February 27, 2009
    3:30 pm

    O dear, how on earth this one escaped is beyond me, zero quality control, no one big enough to tell them the songs were not up to scratch “get on your sexy boots” has to be one of the worst songs I’ve heard in years, a cross between a Louis Walsh also ran and a Pop Idol runner up, absolutely brutal, the rest of the album is also a serious let down, I hope I am wrong but its possibly the beginning of the end for them, they are morphing into the Rolling Stones business model, churn out any auld muck and tour the hell out of it.

    Comment by dave m
    148.
    February 27, 2009
    6:07 pm

    To me, “Breathe” sounds like an accident of amplification – a Springsteen soundcheck;”I’ll go crazy” like ‘The Killers’ in a too big studio; “Stand Up” like an 80s TV car chase soundtrack; “Fez” like a Peter Gabriel at home;”Cedars of Lebanon” like Pink Floyd and so on… an extremely derivative album, but hey! the world is round and you either see the line or you don’t (on the horizon I mean). C.O.

    Comment by Mary Maunsell-yre
    149.
    February 27, 2009
    6:17 pm

    Where was I? “Breathe” sound like an accident of amplification – Springsteen soundcheck; “Moment of Surrender” is positively Youngian(!); “I’ll go Crazy” like The Killers in a new studio; “Stand Up” like 80s TV car chase effect; “Fez”is like Peter Gabriel at home; “Cedars of Lebanon” is late Pink Floyd all over…but hey! the world does go around. You either see the line (the one on the horizon) or you don’t.

    Comment by Mary Maunsell-Eyre
    150.
    February 27, 2009
    9:35 pm

    Boy, amazing how much the hipster gateway critics can heave unto the easy target. However, the hip postures only add to the noise that each rightly points out that is occurring in the media now.

    I’m a fan of U2’s music, ambivalent at best about the neo-liberal, condescending politics to save Africa (but a strong believer in social justice), and really pissed about U2 not paying taxes in Ireland (see counterpunch.com for stories on this). But I still love the album.

    Let’s just judge the material for its integrity and attempt to create good melodies, rhythms, and lyrics. I think we often mix uncritically the U2 industry with U2 as artists–I can’t really stand the former. I also wish they were serious leftists and pay their damn taxes. But life is disappointing. If anything this album is a commentary about life’s disappointments and the hope we find in ourselves and in others. I think it is solid and I am not swayed a bit by any reviews. I loved Pop, for example. I have listened to the album and think it is smart and interesting, a reflection of what U2 has been experimenting with for some time.

    And as one comment stated, no band will please everyone. But the criticisms take such a personal, ad hominem tone that they basically amount to garbage polemic. If you don’t like the album, well then good. You don’t like the media blitz, excellent. So move on and put on another album and enjoy. I know I will be playing U2’s No Line on the Horizon and appreciate the layers and the craftsmenship that is evident in every song. Any honest, ungrudging listener of their material over the years will hear the growth and creative twists and block out the noise of unreasonable expectations. The criticisms (in the review and many of the comments) are so cynical in nature, shallow in insight, and transparent in contempt, that it is hard to take Carroll seriously–and not just him, but most reviews are so overindulgent and offer so little analysis, they ultimately only confirm the readers preconceived notions.

    Comment by Tom C
    151.
    February 27, 2009
    9:36 pm

    Typical begrudgery put a band down when you probably havnt listened to the album 7 or more times.

    There’s nothing there that would draw you in to listen to it 7 or more times. I’ve listened to it completely for 4 times now for the sake of a review and it’s not an album I’ll be revisiting in it’s entirety. The first 2 tracks I like, and Fez is intriguing in a way that makes me want to listen to that a few more times but the rest do nothing for me.

    Comment by Joe
    152.
    February 27, 2009
    10:26 pm

    I’m with Sean D (08,23 February,2009).The recordings with Rick Rubin would be intriguing,maybe the only way to hear them is for the whole band to die at once and they might be released, in the course of whipping a dead horse.I’m speculating that he would strip their sound to the basics,no pretentious meandering,just three chords and the truth.

    Comment by Brian
    153.
    February 28, 2009
    12:22 am

    Jim, great review, especially what you say about some of the other reviewers. Take Q for example, at the time they said that “All that you…” and “how to…” were classics, but only now this is out are they willi they dare to say that they are in fact not that great at all.
    I was a diehard U2 and went to various locations to see them live this time.
    For me it all changed in 1998, Pop had sold about 7m copies, they released the 80-90 greatest hits and it sold about 12m so surprise, surprise, they new album “all that…” sounds “just like the old stuff” as everyone said at the time. The have become so commercial and so like the Stones i.e. a U2 tribute band, its unbelievable.
    In the past 10 years they have had 3(!!) greatest hits compilations, and every new album ’sounds’ like a particular past U2 era.
    Take the last tour, they even recreated the opening of the ZooTv tour in the encore! I mean, imagine going to see David Bowie and he comes out for the encore dressed as Ziggy Stardust!
    Bono said a month or so ago, that if this wasn’t their best album then U2 wouldn’t matter anymore, it isn’t and sadly they don’t.
    The sad thing is that could and should but they just dont seem to want to (excuse the expresion) “challenge the listner”

    Comment by Rory
    154.
    February 28, 2009
    12:48 am

    As a lifelong U2 fan I have to say I am sooooo! disappointed with the “4 boys form the Northside” I refuse to buy the album or tickets for Croke Park because U2 pulled out of the U2 TOWER & Renovating the CLARENCE…..At a time when labour costs would be low and the jobs are needed now more than ever.
    Where is the bands support for Ireland?????? As always its lacking………I was hoping they would have something positive to say in their interview, The days are gone lads when you can get away with saying your misunderstood, I have done the lot….bought ur albums, Q all night for your tickets as my loyality of been a fan, So I am asking Where is your loyality to your City???????? Or are you the same as all the other speculators???? Just like the rats leaving a sinking ship.
    As for the comments regarding music download, You did’nt have much to say about that when you were promoting and endorsing the ipod, So stay on your WORLD STAGE because you know here at home we will tell it like it is……… An X U2 Fan

    Comment by Jakki
    155.
    February 28, 2009
    3:20 pm

    Como una portada tan sencilla puede contener tanta calidad en su interior.
    Es un disco genial,se nota que esteve y brian han colaborado en este trabajo,aportando sonidos y riifs y dando atmosfera que me recuerda a the jusua tree.
    Felicidades por darnos momentos tan especiales y magicos como estos.

    Comment by carlos jane garcia
    156.
    February 28, 2009
    3:56 pm

    @86 – Fabrizio – Take the f**king spaghetti out of your ears. It a shitty album – plain and simple. I think we should hang U2 from the nearest lamppost for releasing this pile of crap. Anyone got a rope?

    Comment by Bugsy Sugars
    157.
    February 28, 2009
    4:41 pm

    just been listening to passengers & million dollar hotel soundtrack.this is what u2 should get back to.I always thought u2 wre split into 2 camps,mullen/clayton in the conservative camp i.e mission impossible soundtrack,world cup song and bono/edge in the innovative camp i.e
    clockwork orange,jah wobble,the above cds.
    anyway who cares when a new simple kid cd is on its way,
    cheers

    Comment by charlie d
    158.
    February 28, 2009
    8:31 pm

    Tom C @ 150 is so typical of pissed-off U2 fans hitting out at the critic and not what the critic has to say.

    That tosh about “most reviews are so overindulgent and offer so little analysis” in particular – Jim Carroll’s review above concentrates on the music while Tom C takes aim at the reviewer. Is this the best defence that U2 fans have?

    Fair play to Jim Carroll for calling it as it is (again).

    Comment by Jackie
    159.
    February 28, 2009
    9:49 pm

    ok ok lads, listen up.
    that’s you adam, boner, edge and larry.
    At the end of the day Larry, you are right and it is all about the drums. And U2 are still a point that need to be made, but only for yourselves. Let them all piss at the foot of the big tree, but at the end of the day, when all is said and done, rock n roll doggaes! There is’nt a little axe on land or over water thats gonna do any serious damage to the tree. Gettin my wages monday and gonna get me the dogs liathróidí mór version of the album, round about 3.30 in the afternoon. what’s it costing, about 50 quid?
    The music just gets better and better, everyone’s just pissed off with economics at the moment, and thats all a loada shite anyway.
    Lets just get those f.in’ boots on.
    Thanks to the four of you in equal measure and big style. I’ve always loved the sound. When is the croke park gig anyway? need to get the dates organised. give me a call, cook you a nice lunch some time. j

    Comment by james lowry
    160.
    February 28, 2009
    10:08 pm

    I don’t know what you’re all moaning about. You want U2 to come out with something as ground breaking as Kid A and as immediate and as poppy as Britney Spears or whoever – oh yeah with some hip-hop and who knows what else thrown in… and if the new album isn’t that then it’s a total failure and Bono is a tosser and U2 caused the Credit Crunch, and we should get together and Burn Them! lol
    Well, if you want all that, save yourself the bother cos nobody will ever do that, it’s not possible.
    This new album though is pretty damn good, much better than I had expected given the last couple of records they put out, so why not give it a couple of months to get into it before organising the witch-hunt!

    Comment by Paul
    161.
    February 28, 2009
    10:17 pm

    There’s three or four really good tracks on the album I reckon !

    Comment by Eamonn / D1 Recordings
    162.
    March 1, 2009
    10:13 pm

    Bring back ma U2. Where have the lads gone to?

    Comment by Jimbilly Dearon
    163.
    March 1, 2009
    10:41 pm

    Zzzzz …..
    Oh, hello.
    I just woke up after sampling the entire new U2 album.
    Terri stayed awake, but she said, and I quote: “I would take ANY Coldplay album over anything on this new U2 album.”
    That says a lot about Coldplay.
    But what about U2?
    Are they “Magnificent” – well, um … no.
    Not even that song is “magnificient” – passable, yes.
    Radio-friendly? Perhaps.
    Is this album a dud? Yes.
    Terri doubts she’ll purchase this from iTunes and will likely acquire it through LimeWire.
    But is stealing something that is worthless actually stealing, because it has no actual worth?
    Bono is the elder statesman of our generation of rock and roll supergroups.
    Our expectations are so high, given the genius of “The Joshua Tree,” “Achtung Baby” and “Rattle and Hum.” The songs on those albums stuck with you – there was just something about them, Terri says.
    I agree. Something happened on the way out of Zooropa.
    They lost their way big time in the late 1990s. Then they returned to their roots with “Sometimes You Can’t Make It On Your Own” and “How to Destroy a Nuclear Waste Facility” or whatever the hell that now-forgettable album is called.
    The U2 tracks from 1984 to 1992 will stand the test of time.
    But will “Vertigo”? No.
    Will anything on this boring piece of mediocrity? Seriously?
    Terri asks if they did any product testing.
    Such things get laughs from ol’ record and radio industry pros like Jake. But maybe she has a point.
    Have Bono and the Edge lost their Edge because they are too concerned about sales and profits and what is “supposed to be the next generation of U2?”
    Our generation, that love U2 for their music of the 1980s, would be more likely to purchase a new album from U2 if it was good than trying to engage an entire new generation of music lovers who are not familiar with their band, Terri says.
    And she’s right – instead of appealing to the Akon crowd, they should appeal to the Duran Duran crowd.

    U2 have forgotten their core audience.

    Us.

    Comment by The Jake and Terri Show -WMYQ Miami
    164.
    March 2, 2009
    1:40 am

    Easy on the lads! We’ll never see another Joshua Tree. And I personally hope we don’t see another Achtung Baby – a rock band playing pop. But I will say this, U2 continue to produce 6-7 U2-power-songs with every campaign. With the exception of Joshua Tree, I have always known U2 to experiment – songs I consider filler material. Typically a little less than half of the songs on all their albums are filler. Even WAR had filler with songs like Refugee, Red Light and Surrender. Unforgettable Fire had 4th of July, Indian Summer Sky and MLK. And ATYCLB had In a Little While, Wild Honey and Grace. Some of those lyrics were atrocious!

    So if they can produce 6-7 (even 5) great U2 songs per album – then I’m happy. Not every band is perfect.

    My opinion again from what I heard, NLOTH has about 5 really good U2-power songs.

    No Line on The Horizon****
    Magnificent ****
    Moment of Surrender ***
    Fez – Being Born ***
    Breathe****
    Cedars of Lebanon (this one is growing on me)

    Just my 2 cents.

    Comment by Anthony
    165.
    March 2, 2009
    4:10 pm

    After listening to the will.i.am version of no line on the horizon b side to boots,

    its a shame that U2 didnt continue to follow that route with the album. i agree its a case of three of four goods songs and the rest forgetable
    unfortunalty if you are the biggest band in the world you are held up to an unbearable level of scrutiny.
    The thing i find with music is that after your first album 99percent of bands go down hill and fade away U2 managed to avoid that trap.

    to close Jim Carrol is part of the circle of journalists that no matter what U2 release he will slate compare to what came before and just give it a poor review.
    Jim wrote that review before u2 for the current album during the last album tour.

    Comment by Brian
    166.
    March 2, 2009
    4:52 pm

    We’ll never see another Joshua Tree.

    Heh, reminds me of an interview with Bowie talking about working with Ricky Gervais on Extras, and he was asked to write the song for the scene. Gervais asked for something Starman, or Life-on-Mars-y and Bowie replied back “Oh yeah, I’ll just knock out another ‘Life on Mars’ then, sure, no problem”

    On first listen though I gotta say I quite like NLOTH…

    Comment by Matt
    167.
    March 2, 2009
    6:38 pm

    Come here, did anyone really listen to boner’s vocal performance on the track ‘no line on the horizon’. Great stuff out o ye lad. Bono, yer Dad ud be proud, God rest him. Chris Martin? I dont think so. (is that yer man’s name from coldplay?
    Come on people, a lot of yer comments are starting to sound like restaurant reviews from non chefs like tom doorley….
    Its an album. its an absolute beauty. stop hankering after a band from the good old joshua baby years. Lost their way out of zooropa my irish arson wenger. Please please save your breath to cool yiz r porridge.
    Young people of u2, we love you. still have’nt managed to buy the 59 quid big mamma version. The wages got all emergency taxed there on monday so i’ll have to wait til 3.30 friday afternoon now. wonder if i can get a better deal in holland with me taxes.

    ps any chance of a spare couple o tickets Larry, it is all about the drums man.
    young lowry o Navan.

    Comment by james lowry
    168.
    March 2, 2009
    9:27 pm

    ok, this is the last little word, i promise. Unless adam or edge decide to get involved.
    Ah come here now anthony sir from back up on march the 2nd, you simply cant say that MLK is mere filler on the Unforgettable Fire. Listen to Nina Simone’s ‘Why? The King Of Love is Dead’, and then to MLK. That little piece of music more than cuts the mustard.
    Here it is for me:
    “Of course, listening to an album is’nt going to turn anyone into a genius; you can’t get more out of the experience than youre capable of bringing to it”
    -Robert Palmer writing in the sleeve notes for Miles Davis’ Kind of Blue.
    I’d love to hear some genuinely original observations from someone out there who’s really hearing this album. ‘Women are the future of the big Revelations’, what about that then all the Ladies?
    First step for a national recovery for Ireland: send Jonny Logan to the shaggin eurovision with a song written by Eno, Lanois and you know who.
    Well that’s it honest, no more. yeah i gotta go, i’m runnin outta change, but there’s not a single u2 album ya’d ever rearrange.
    thanks n cheers,
    the james from del Navan who’s now in Mullingar

    Comment by james lowry
    169.
    March 3, 2009
    9:54 am

    Jim Carroll is pretty much on the mark.

    There are a few “songs” on this album that are just lazy or pretentious or whatever you would like to call them …. a waste of electricity? However I wouldn’t include “Stand Up Comedy” in the list of songs that should have been dropped from the album. It has the makings of a great song, and would love to hear it belted out live.

    “No Line On The Horizon” pretty much sums up why albums are on the way out. People do not like to feel that thay have spent time and money paying for crap even if it’s wrapped into the same package as a gem. U2 are their own worst enemies, they hyped this album up to be what it is not, a great album.

    Having lived a life with U2 ever since they appeared on TV in perhaps ‘77 with Bono throwing shapes and pretending to be able to sing, I had to buy the album.

    I regret not heading out on a rainy night to see them playing in Ballina all those years ago, but I don’t regret paying €12 for this album. For the perhaps 5 good tracks, this album is worth €12, just don’t expect it to be a great album.

    Comment by Seanson
    170.
    March 3, 2009
    11:02 pm

    I think its a pretty good album, nothing more or less than that.

    Comment by brendan, belfast
    171.
    March 4, 2009
    12:55 pm

    Having listened to the album a few times I’m running out of songs that I’d skip past.

    Still don’t get Fez:Being Born and Breathe but the rest are well worth listening to…

    this album is a grower. At €12 it is excellent value for money.

    Starting to regret not paying the extra €8 for the delux pack. Would be interested to see the DVD.

    Comment by Seanson
    172.
    March 4, 2009
    3:43 pm

    Seanson, from what I looked at in HMV on Sunday an extra €38 would have got you the DVD as it’s included in the boxset, while the €20 version allows you online access?

    It’s a disappointing album, but starting to grow a little and I suppose I bought it out of ‘brand loyalty’ – still it’s woth the €9 in cost in Borders with their promotion offer.

    Comment by John_K
    173.
    March 4, 2009
    5:54 pm

    Bono, hang up yer boots.

    Comment by Kiwigirl
    174.
    March 4, 2009
    11:21 pm

    It took them how long exactly to cook up this turkey?

    Comment by Adi
    175.
    March 5, 2009
    4:03 am

    This album is magnificence itself. U2 are out of their comfort zone and rebelling in the challenge. Magnificent, Stand Up Comedy, White as Snow, Cedars of Lebanon, FEZ – stunning stuff.

    The 60 second snippets available online had me thinking this was going to be color by numbers U2 – jangly but cliched guitars and yearning vocals.

    No! The reality is a warm, multilayered, masterpiece. As in Masterpiece.

    Is there a weak link? Maybe – toward the beginning of the second third of the album. I haven’t quite reached a conclusion yet.

    (NOTE: Achtung Baby has always been this listener’s favourite U2 album – and it had Wild Horses as a weak link.)

    Simply stunning stuff!

    It’s been at least 17 years since U2 sounded this good over the course of an album.

    responses welcome – johnflynch at verizon d0t net

    Comment by John F. Lynch
    176.
    March 5, 2009
    4:27 am

    I’ve been along for the ride with U2 since that first EP and Boy itself. I admire them tremendously.

    There have been peaks and valleys (never a bad album – but not always masterpieces). I REALLY think this is a peak.

    This review seems way off base but everything is subjective. The reviewer (Jim Carroll) seems to be grumpy and hell-bent on criticism.

    QUOTE: “You listen to “Unknown Caller”, “Breathe”, “Stand Up Comedy” and “Cedars Of Lebanon” and wonder what the hell is going on. It’s the comedown after the sugar rush. Like most of the album, each of these four tracks is a bit of a muddle with the band sounding strangely ill-at-ease with each other’s contributions and the song itself.”

    At least three of these songs are among my favourites on the whole album – different strokes for different folks I guess??? God love democracy!

    Comment by John F. Lynch
    177.
    March 5, 2009
    5:33 am

    good review. don’t know where these masterpiece opinions are coming from. this is the first u2 album i just do not like. even after several listens and some hand-wringing too.

    several of the songs have potential. good music ruined by bono’s vocal weirdnesses.

    as for u2 the corp, ill be satisfied to not have any bono infomercials included in this year’s tour.

    Comment by linz
    178.
    March 5, 2009
    7:39 am

    no, no, no Jim and all the Others!
    You’re simply wrong on this album.
    Cant stay silent again.
    Its not a turkey. Its a thing of beauty and a serious piece of work. Anyone hear the bass lines in this and the last album? There’s a great new something in there.
    Leave Bono’s mouth out of this and the misconstrued preaching/ blah blah blah/ and how everyone is indulging our economic blues right now. Fcuk that shit.
    Blustery, overcooked melodrama it just plainly is not. It’s not a hill it’s a mountain.
    Dont mind being called a blind u2 fan or a loonie. One thing i know is i’m not deaf. This one is a masterpiece.
    Come on you people, stand up for your love.
    cheers Jim, J

    Comment by james lowry
    179.
    March 5, 2009
    9:22 pm

    What does one do after 32 years together…continue to figure out something new and try to evolve. Learn from the past and try to be more accomplished. U2 will always be trying to have it both ways — small enough for intimacy –bombastic enough for the arenas. apart from this, the album is chaotic, trying to have it both ways, but nevertheless succeeding. U2 will never be the shy wallflower, but they truly are the sum of its parts: Introspective Clayton, Mother Mullen, Preacher Bono and Confident Edge — they will never be irrelevant and we will never be indifferent to their music. Continue to troop on boys….you may one day find a street that has a name.

    Comment by david murphy
    180.
    March 6, 2009
    10:21 am

    This review seems way off base but everything is subjective. The reviewer (Jim Carroll) seems to be grumpy and hell-bent on criticism.

    Sorry to disappoint you dude, but I’m the sunniest person you could ever meet. I’m always “hell-bent” on giving praise where praise is due. That review above looks at the MUSIC and the music alone and U2’s music on this occasion doesn’t come up to scratch. I know it’s hard for you fan-boys to accept that people can listen objectively to a record like “No Tune On The Horizon” and see it for an over-cooked, under-performing turkey. If you want an uncritical review which just fawns at the band’s feet, please go elsewhere

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    181.
    March 7, 2009
    10:18 pm

    Good man Jim,
    i’ve enjoyed your writing and wit, ( fanboys how are ya!) but we’re just going to have to agree to differ on this one. eh, you’re on the losing side with this one sunny boy!
    This album rings clear and true. No overcooked turkey on the horizon. Thanks for the chance to discuss. the songs dont need any defence, just a good ear with an open mind.
    good luck, j

    Comment by james lowry
    182.
    March 11, 2009
    7:35 pm

    Hey Jim,
    Come on, its ok to admit it. Everyone gets it wrong some times. You’re allowed make a u turn if this soaring, soul-filling album is starting to grow on you by now.

    Comment by james lowry
    183.
    March 12, 2009
    6:30 pm

    This is the best Daniel Lanois album ever!!……so when is this new ‘Brilliant’ U2 album that all the media critics are on about coming out?? Cant wait for that!!

    Comment by Dean
    184.
    March 15, 2009
    10:53 am

    Come on Dean, that just wont hold any water. If you can say that about this album, then go back and call most of them Lanois albums since tht unforgettable fire. Sure Lanois and Eno’s undeniable musical stamp can be heard on No Line, but clearly you have not listened to one of Lanois’ superb albums as to be quite frank they sound nothing like this or any of U2’s other albums. This is a U2 album and it is absolutely f’in fantastic. Deal with it people. You just dont get it. Move on, try to say intelliigent things about something else!

    Comment by james lowry
    185.
    March 24, 2009
    10:48 pm

    Pure crap ,this is an insult throwing out all those U2 albums i bought over the years ,is Bono a Zionist????

    Comment by caiomghin
    186.
    March 25, 2009
    9:31 pm

    Now thats a good one Caiomghin,
    How d’ya make out the Zionist bit? Bono’s a lot o things, but Zionist?
    pray tell, i’m intrigued

    Comment by james lowry
    187.
    April 6, 2009
    10:36 am

    “That review above looks at the MUSIC and the music alone and U2’s music on this occasion doesn’t come up to scratch. I know it’s hard for you fan-boys to accept that people can listen objectively to a record like “No Tune On The Horizon” and see it for an over-cooked, under-performing turkey. If you want an uncritical review which just fawns at the band’s feet, please go elsewhere” – Jim Carroll

    Having listened to the Album over the past few weeks there are perhaps 2 songs that I would pass over and drop from the ould iPod. It is a much much better album than Atomic Bomb which I struggle to get back to.

    Jim, your continued animosity towards this album suggests that you haven’t listened to the album very much or just don’t like U2’s music full stop.

    There is much to like and indeed love about this album. It may not be the great album that Bono suggests, but despite my earlier feeling towards it, I now believe that it is a very good album.

    And at the price I paid for it

    Probably the best value very good album I’ve ever bought.

    Comment by Seanson
    188.
    July 21, 2009
    2:49 am

    I feel like I may be a little late with this but as the concert looms I thought I’d chip in.

    I have to agree with you Mr. Carroll. I’m a big fan and would still count U2 as one of my favourite bands but alas I have been sorely disappointed with their last 4 albums. I believe it might be akin to being in a doomed relationship where your partner says they will change and try harder but alas, they never do but you never leave.
    I thought I heard promise with the openeing tracks of No Line but then, as before, it descended into more of the same. The songwriting at every level was lazy and uninspiring.
    It hurts hearing this stuff, knowing what they were capable of in earlier years.
    Is it age? Have they lost the hunger? The Ambition? The raw creativity of the young artist? (Just listening to Bono’s lyrics would suggest so). I dont know and I dont want to jump on the wagon of how they are just corporate lackeys or wannabe politicians. I believe that they still believe that they are a rockband at heart but the passion to invest in creating a blood, sweat and tears rock album seems to be absent.

    I’m still going to the show on Fri and looking forward to it. But I wish I could be singing along to new songs that made me feel something like the stuff of Achtung Baby did.

    Comment by EJ
    189.
    September 28, 2009
    1:19 pm

    Meh – like many has said, great moments are there, but few. Feels commercial, and tired. 90% of the album content took time to read any inspiration from. Nothing exciting. I went to the live concernt, and it even sounds like Bono and crew are tired, and not enthused with their product either.

    And what’s up with the sunglass?

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