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  • 11 things I learned this weekend

    November 3, 2008 @ 9:37 am | by Jim Carroll

    (1) I bet there must be at least five of you who wondered what ever happened to Phil Babb. OK, four. Three? Anyway, the former Liverpool, Sporting Lisbon and Ireland footballer (who also had a thing for walking on car roofs) has now moved into the weird and wonderful world of magazine publishing. Yep, there are still people who believe in the power of print. Per Richard Gillis’s interview with him in the paper on Saturday, Babb is now the publisher behind the Golf Punk mag and is planning a Football Punk mag too. Wonder how he would deal with a very well paid Premier League footballer telling him that he couldn’t be arsed doing an interview, eh?

    (2) Best take on the whole Brand-Ross-BBC kerfuffle? Hold onto your hats, blogging brothers and sisters - it was John Waters on Friday.

    (3) Would you give Ryanair a tenner for a flight across the Atlantic? I suppose the story is one way of taking the dirty look off some not very good financial results for the first half of the year.

    (4) One of my favourite Irish albums of the season comes from Waterford lass Katie Kim. “Twelve” (as reviewed here) is a slow-burner, all weird turns and fuzzy twists. Live, as seen in the Sugar Club on Saturday night, Katie and her two hooded co-players get tougher and grittier in a Mazzy Star rocking out with Cat Power kind of way. Best songs were the ones which book-ended the set, the glorious “Radio” and the rivetting “Jennifer”. She plays Cleere’s in Kilkenny on November 15 and Twisted Pepper, Dublin on November 20.

    (5) Does anyone know why Cork GAA folks are so intent on constantly pressing the self-destruct button? While a Tipperaryman like myself should be rubbing my hands with glee at even more lies, destruction and despair by the Lee, I actually find the whole affair to be quite strange and pointless. Does Gerald McCarthy really deserve all this? Good column by Tom Humphries on Sandwichgate.

    (6) I liked the Why? show at the ALT on Saturday, though not as much as I thought I would before the gig. The room was full-ish and the audience were in the sort of mood where they would probably cheer if even Tommy Tiernan was fronting the band and telling more of his Bernard Manning classics, but the material just didn’t quite seem up to scratch. Maybe it was one of those “it isn’t you, it’s me” situations.

    (7) One of the very first Tunes of the Week featured on this blog was the Beyond The Wizard’s Sleeve still awesome remix of Midlake’s “Roscoe”. We posed the question then why no Irish promoter had brought over BtWS for a show. Well, Richard Norris has found his way to the blog (see comment number 7 here) and it seems himself and Erol Alkan are up for the challenge.

    (8) It seems that the band I should have gone to see on Saturday night were Villagers. Three different people in the course of an hour were raving to me about their show at Whelan’s. Villagers is the new band fronted by Conor O’Brien who used to be in The Immediate (and is also part of Cathy Davey’s all-star band) and “The Meaning of the Ritual” from their MySpace is well worth clicking on. Their next gigs are supporting Bell X1 (Vicar Street, November 12) and supporting Halves (Whelan’s, November 22).

    (9) Oddest promo on your radio right now? No, not the one with the fake Eddie Hobbs, but rather the one plugging Morning Ireland’s special extended US Election coverage on Wednesday. So what time are they starting? Midnight? 1am? 1.30am? Er, no, 6am. 6am! Sure, Sarah Palin will be the leader of the free world at that stage. And what are RTE broadcasting through the night instead? Repeats of the Tubridy Show, Today with Pat Kenny, Liveline, the Gershwins in Hollywood and The Arts Show.

    (10) Ahead of next weekend’s Van Morrison shows in Los Angeles when the Great Grump plays “Astral Weeks” in full for the first time. Sean O’Hagan muses on that seminal release 40 years on.

    (11) And finally, some music for the week that’s in it.

  • 42 Comments »

    1.
    November 3, 2008
    9:55 am

    I saw Wilco do a new song on Steven Colbert last week, the imaginatively titled ‘Wilco Song’. They’re seemingly still doing the Steely Dan type stuff. Hmmm.

    Comment by Peter81
    2.
    November 3, 2008
    10:40 am

    Re John Waters:

    “The point is to be “funny”, at any cost… laughter, which is first and foremost a nervous response to encroachment on a taboo, a necessary social instrument for testing existing social instruments, but hardly a heroic calling.”

    I dunno, personally comedians have lightened the burdensome nature of existence for me for some time now (as have musicians and film actors). Somehow, no matter how I ransack my memory, I can’t remember a single newspaper columnist who has done anything as heroic as that.

    Comment by Paul
    3.
    November 3, 2008
    10:40 am

    did you lean nothing about liverpool being able to handle the pressure of being top of the table?

    mercury rev gig last night was superb. great light show and plenty from ‘deserter songs” on show

    Comment by petee
    4.
    November 3, 2008
    10:48 am

    Why? gig was cool but not as good as the previous *ALT show. I missed the start as I was at Roots Manuva. Slightly strange atmosphere though. The defining feature of every Why? Irish date seems to be the scores of people softly reciting the lyrics to themselves. It was quite a sight.

    The band did an acoustic set yesterday for the Trinity Literary Society also.

    Comment by Niall
    5.
    November 3, 2008
    10:53 am

    Brian Boyd’s take on the Brand/Ross affair in Saturday’s Weekend section was pretty good too:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2008/1101/1225321616277.html

    As for Astral Weeks, forget the concert, what about a remastered reissue? Can’t understand why Warner Bros haven’t done this given the anniversary and the fact that Polydor have re-released their entire Van back catalog. Or did I miss something?

    Comment by David
    6.
    November 3, 2008
    11:07 am

    I experienced a “White Hinterland” while I was cursing those who could afford Why? on Saturday. Having been thrown free tickets for Ruby Suns with Grand Pocket Orchestra as support I decided to get a gig in to me to take my mind of missing Yoni, and Roots Manuva.

    Me, my guest, and another couple were the only 4 people in the house for GPO (so empty was Crawdaddy on our arrival that I asked the ticket-taker why the gig had been cancelled before she informed me “Erm, it hasn’t…”). By the time the New Zealanders came on there was a ripe old crowd of 16 assembled. 4 of those had just been on stage as Grand Pocket Orchestra just 30 minutes earlier.

    Now I know Ruby Suns aren’t the MOST original band going (clue, guys: If you don’t want anybody to realize you’re ripping off Panda Bear, DON’T cover El Guincho, under any circumstances), but given the hype they’ve been on the receiving end of on the blogosphere they could have pulled a good 50 plus crowd to Crawdaddy on a regular night. How the promoters could vindicate putting another indie band on such a ridiculously overbooked night is beyond me though. Given I saw 5 pints being bought all night, and next to no merch, I can only imagine what loss they sustained.

    Comment by Dan
    7.
    November 3, 2008
    11:17 am

    i agree about the john waters article…

    although this made me giggle:

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/ross-and-brand-are-heroesc-say-spanish-200810301363/

    Comment by Ally
    8.
    November 3, 2008
    11:17 am

    It’s not just you Jim. As much as I liked Alopecia I was disappointed when i saw Why? at Primavera this summer. Even more disappointed that I missed some of the much raved about Devo performance to see it.

    Comment by Joe
    9.
    November 3, 2008
    11:20 am

    Jim, you obviously missed the walkmen too..you missed out BIG TIME

    Comment by Chalkie
    10.
    November 3, 2008
    11:35 am

    is this the catch all column?

    if so, is anyone going to jackie-o motherfucker tonight?… first night out i’ve had for a while so a little bit extra excited…

    as for tony-clayton lea’s summation in the gig listings on friday: “jackie-o motherfucker: US noise-rock types. we like.”

    sure you’ve even heard them then, tony?… or is the “we” an “everyone else apart from me who hasn’t heard them” nod?….

    am i supposed to wink at this point?

    Comment by Ally
    11.
    November 3, 2008
    12:39 pm

    This is a better article about the Ross/ Brand palaver: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/03/jonathan-ross-russell-brand

    Comment by Brock Landers
    12.
    November 3, 2008
    12:48 pm

    Why? were fan-bloody-tabulous at ALT. I’m still quivering. There was a scaled-down show in the Twisted Pepper yesterday, followed by the most god-awful interview I’ve ever had the discomfort of watching. Fair play to Yoni, he handled it expertly but the Trinity Lit. Soc. kid really should have done her homework .

    Comment by Naomi
    13.
    November 3, 2008
    2:16 pm

    nice of richard of beyonds the wizards sleeve to comment, saw btws play one of their first dj sets in shoreditch a few years ago. a really great ten hour set.the reason why no one has booked them is firstly they play long and i mean long sets which our licensing laws hamper secondly erol is under mcd wing and no promoter would be able to get erol from under mcd.shame though must catch btws next london set

    Comment by thomas
    14.
    November 3, 2008
    2:39 pm

    That ‘counter-complaints’ idea that Charlie Brooker has is bloody great. Why should only the offended have a voice?
    I’m regularly offended by Songs Of Praise and the X-Factor but I can’t actually complain anywhere about that nor get those few seconds back.
    And I would love to have a ‘counter-complaint’ button on my remote control to register my appreciation of some of the more disgusting bits of genius that occasionally pop up on the goggle box. Pah!

    Comment by adam
    15.
    November 3, 2008
    2:39 pm

    Spot on about Katie Kim, Jim. Been listening to her stuff on myspace for a good while now. I saw her live in The Stables, Mullingar a few weeks’ ago and she was mesmerising..Think early Cat Power, Stina Nordenstam and a dash of PJ Harvey’s ‘White Chalk’ album…bleak yet brilliant. At the gig, a member of her band said the album ‘Twelve’ had only a limited release on vinyl. Is it now out on CD, Jim?

    Comment by Quint
    16.
    November 3, 2008
    2:50 pm

    Dan @ 6 - I was very curious about how many would show for Ruby Suns, especially as I only remembered the gig en route to Katie Kim. And, as you say, they’ve had loads of attention too so you’d expect a bigger crowd. Seems to be the smaller gigs which are tanking while everyone’s money goes on AC/DC, Oasis and Take That. That said, would you recommend we go to see the band if they ever come back?

    Quint @ 15 - definitely sure I saw CDs for sale at the gig on Saturday night.I know they’ve pressed up 500 copies of the album on vinyl.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    17.
    November 3, 2008
    3:19 pm

    Dr. Dog were great in Whelans last night. An excellent rock concert. Fairly decent sized crowd at it too. Not packed (they had a couple of rows of tables out front) but a good size considering there were a few other gigs on at the same time

    Comment by Neil
    18.
    November 3, 2008
    3:40 pm

    I’ll second that on the Walkmen. Brilliant performance. Hamilton has a stunning voice and he didn’t hold back. Marred only slightly by the absence of the Cuban roadies which inhibited ‘Canadian Girl’, my favourite track on the album.

    Comment by Seán C
    19.
    November 3, 2008
    3:42 pm

    Heard Katie Kim on the Analogue comp at the weekend. Lovely stuff. Reminds me of the Plague Monkeys.

    Comment by neilo
    20.
    November 3, 2008
    4:11 pm

    I’d loooove to see BTWS. this _brilliant_ DJ set has been on repeat round mine for a while now:

    http://www.archive.org/details/BeyondTheWIzardsSleeveBeyondTheWizardsSleeveLiveAtTheGMex_ManchesterJuly2007

    Comment by Justin Mason
    21.
    November 3, 2008
    4:12 pm

    Joe, that Why? Primavera show was actually, crap. Yoni had his arm in a cast and the band looked really pissed off.

    I caught Devo instead!

    Naomi - Was the Q&A really that bad?

    Comment by Niall
    22.
    November 3, 2008
    4:34 pm

    I really enjoyed Why? the other night, but maybe that was because the last time they played, I had to deal with doing merch and a sick girlfriend…

    Comment by Ciarán
    23.
    November 3, 2008
    5:11 pm

    Re 1. Is that last line to do with a certain memphis native blowing off the Irish media last week?

    Re: 6 Thought why? were really good. But as has been noted above The Walkmen last night were exceptional.

    Re: 8 I saw villagers a couple of weeks ago in the twisted pepper and didn’t really like it. Though it was stripped back to Conor plus a drummer. The stuff on the mysapce is better though.

    Comment by Ian
    24.
    November 3, 2008
    5:56 pm

    Did they play fatalist palmistry this time?

    Comment by Sean D
    25.
    November 3, 2008
    6:03 pm

    ian - re (1) click on the link and read thru. Its to do with a quote from Babb himself from a few years ago

    re (8) I hear the full Villagers band buzz is very good altogether.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    26.
    November 3, 2008
    6:08 pm

    Re: 20 That BTWS Dj set is excellent

    Comment by nerraw
    27.
    November 3, 2008
    6:12 pm

    secondly erol is under mcd wing and no promoter would be able to get erol from under mcd.shame though must catch btws next london set

    I’m sure if some promoter - Bodytonic, I’m looking at youse for some reason - was to get in touch with Richard Norris directly, it would be sorted.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    28.
    November 3, 2008
    6:13 pm

    Sean, yes. But it loses a lot from the album version. I think it’s one that they’ve struggled to get a live arrangment for.

    Comment by Ian
    29.
    November 3, 2008
    6:24 pm

    Sean D @ 24 - yup, Fatalist Palmistry was in the 2 encores. I knew a couple of girls very upset they didn’t do Gemini (birthday song)…it’s a ladies song I suppose

    Comment by Ciarán
    30.
    November 3, 2008
    6:34 pm

    Sean, Why? played Fatalist Palmistry this time.

    Comment by Niall
    31.
    November 3, 2008
    7:13 pm

    Cheers lads. I was disappointed not to hear it at the first ALT gig, although as Ian says I had a feeling it would be hard to get solid live. Must see if I can find a live bootleg of it.

    Comment by Sean D
    32.
    November 3, 2008
    7:43 pm

    Cheers lads. I was disappointed not to hear it at the first ALT gig, although as Ian says I had a feeling it would be hard to get solid live. Must see if I can find a live bootleg of it.
    Comment by Sean D

    They were hocking a tour CD on the merch desk. 23 track disc of material from Alopecia, Elephant Eyelash and Sanddollars recorded “almost live” in Oakland in August featuring the live arrangements they’ve been using on their dates this year. I’m sure it’d be easily enough tracked down.

    I asked Doug McDiarmid about that song after the first ALT gig and he said that he in particular doesn’t like playing it live because it’s one that he has to play both keys and guitar on.

    Poor fella would never last in Battles.

    Comment by Ian
    33.
    November 3, 2008
    7:44 pm

    Re: Ruby Suns. I wouldn’t recommend punters spending a hard-earned 14 quid on them no. Certainly fun, and they did a good line in self-depricating stage banter (including them being warned not to go to Transmission afterwards as it’s “effing awful”, and their strangely deep knowledge of Samhain). A support band for the time being, they’d need to carve out a more individual niche before being anything more than a double-barrelled El Guincho gun.

    Then again, we can’t all be as inspired as Take That.

    Comment by Dan
    34.
    November 3, 2008
    8:05 pm

    seen that there is quite a bit of why? on this post, i might also add that if people can track down “Almost Live At Anna’s Cabin” they really should get it. Like the tour cd this time, it was “almost live” versions of mostly from oaklandazulasylum and the Part Whitney EP, and is fantastic and the first major sign that Why? was morphing more into a band than an individual. I think it was around the time of the Anticon tour in 03/04

    Comment by Ciarán
    35.
    November 3, 2008
    8:33 pm

    re 27: jim erol is locked in tight, the amount of hassle surronding the time he played ucd and mcd made ucd union ensure that people attending had to show ucd student cards and non studnets to be signed in was riduclous.

    Comment by thomas
    36.
    November 3, 2008
    9:41 pm

    Sorry, was AFK all afty. Yeah, seriously bad. She literally froze for long pauses, stuttered, and waited until Yoni’d finished talking before consulting her notebook for another inane question. Not sure if she writes for Analogue too but I expected a lot more from Trinity.

    Comment by Naomi
    37.
    November 3, 2008
    9:46 pm
    38.
    November 3, 2008
    11:21 pm

    Naomi, in fairness it’s not that easy to stand in front of that many people and do an interview.

    Comment by Bren
    39.
    November 4, 2008
    10:39 am

    no it’s not easy but what did she ask? was she prepared? did she know her stuff?

    Comment by Ciarán
    40.
    November 4, 2008
    10:44 am

    jackie-o was really, really good in case any of you are interested… as was inca ore supporting…. about 50 punters there

    Comment by Ally
    41.
    November 4, 2008
    12:10 pm

    No it’s not easy, I had to do one in front of dozens of people at the RDS a few weeks ago and didn’t hear a single bloody question I was asked. Talk about nightmare situation.
    However when it’s a chosen career to the point of uni, work and extracurricular societies, a standard is expected. That interview could have been a brilliant thing for Analogue, considering the intimacy of the setting and wealth of material afforded by Why? and Anticon.’s catalogue, but I found it horrendous to watch. In the gaps between conversation-solstices I wanted to shout “Is this what you meant by *sucking dick for new fans*?”

    Comment by Naomi
    42.
    November 4, 2008
    2:14 pm

    Funny, I’d just been listening to Katie Kim’s myspace songs thinking they were pretty good. The Villagers ones are deadly. Great stuff.

    Comment by Joss

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