State of the Union

  • Will McCreevy lead the no campaign?

    June 26, 2009 @ 10:31 pm | by Jamie

     

    You have to hand it to Charlie, Ireland’s happy-go-lucky member of the European Commission. He’s certainly no shrinking violet when it comes to expressing his personal views on the Lisbon treaty.

    At his by-now regular Friday speech in Ireland today (which enables him to have a long weekend at home) he told a room of accountants that most Europeans would have followed the Irish example and thrown out the treaty if they were allowed a vote by their leaders.

      ”When the Irish people rejected the Lisbon treaty a year ago the initial reactions ranged from one of shock to horror, to aghastness and temper and vexation,” said McCreevy. “On the other hand, I think all of the politicians of Europe would have known quite well that if a similar question had been put to their electorate in a referendum the answer in 95 percent of countries would have been ‘No’ as well.”

    McCreevy, who is famous for telling the public during last year’s referendum campaign that “any sane, or sensible person” shouldn’t even attempt to read the Lisbon treaty, must have forgotten that the public in Luxembourg and Spain both voted for the EU constitution, the precursor to the
    Lisbon treaty.

      His broader message is probably correct: at least some electorates in Europe (the Danes, British, Dutch and maybe the French) would throw out the treaty if it came to a popular vote. But you have to wonder if McCreevy’s six monthly “shoot from the hip” outbursts on Lisbon are intended to give Taoiseach Brian Cowen heartburn.

     Just a week after Cowen persuades his EU partners to deliver the legal guarantees Ireland needs to vote again on the treaty up pops McCreevy questioning the whole democratic legitimacy of the Lisbon treaty.  

     This follows his effusive praise for Declan Ganley’s no campaign last December when he told Hot Press and the rest of the media that the Libertas founder had won the argument on Lisbon fair and square.

      Cowen must be wondering how to shut McCreevy up before he causes any more collateral damage to his government’s critical yes campaign for the Lisbon II referendum in the autumn.

     If only the Cheltenham racing festival could be brought forward to September. McCreevy never misses Britain’s premier horse racing festival, even managing to turn out when Europe’s financial markets are in meltdown.

     So a month-long September race meeting in Britain, or even better in Australia, may be the best way to provide a gaffe-free run in for Lisbon II. Otherwise, you may get short odds on McCreevy leading the no campaign in this autumn’s referendum on Lisbon.

  • 21 Comments »

    1.
    June 27, 2009
    12:23 am

    “McCreevy..must have forgotten that the public in Luxembourg and Spain both voted for the EU constitution, the precursor to theLisbon treaty.”

    And Spanish unemployment is now 18%. Hardly an example we would want to follow…

    Comment by Brian Boru
    2.
    June 27, 2009
    9:16 am

    One of these days Brian would you be so good as to show causality between these two events, which you’re so fond of drawing our attention to.

    Comment by dealga
    3.
    June 27, 2009
    12:19 pm

    2nd that dealga, its even beyond the cause and effect errors that even the most lazy politician tries to get away with

    Comment by Liam
    4.
    June 27, 2009
    12:38 pm

    McCreevy is a Commissioner. He knows how disastrous a yes vote will be in adding enormously to the power of the Commission, an unelected and unanswerable bureaucracy that is intent on creating a completely cenralised European state.

    Comment by Ray D
    5.
    June 27, 2009
    12:52 pm

    If the electorate of those many EU countries as mentioned by McCreevy (95%) were so opposed to the Lisbon treaty that they would vote against if were they allowed a referendum seems a rather vague, since if they people were so strongly against the treaty there would be street demonstrations and pressure on politicians, but there is none of that, so the treaty can not have such negative impact on the member states as stated by McCreevy, if it would be regarded as being so negative politicians of all EU countries would not support it, let alone propose it, because it would result in them being kicked out by the electorate at the next election and that is the last think a politicians need and want, this seems to indicate the the majority of the EU states electorate are not opposed to the Lisbon treaty, therefore I am not in support of McCreevy’s view that the treaty will have negative results for Ireland on the contrary it will lift Ireland’s status as a member of the EU and all the positives that goes with it.

    Comment by c croft
    6.
    June 27, 2009
    3:22 pm

    Well done Charlie, but nothing we didn’t know, the EU is no champion of democracy and Lisbon 2 is just a face saving exercise for our failed government.

    Comment by daniel
    7.
    June 27, 2009
    5:08 pm

    @Brian Boru: lol. Ireland isn’t exactly the country that should be laughing at other countries’ unemployment.

    Comment by SSJ
    8.
    June 28, 2009
    5:48 pm

    Dudes we should all like mellow out, lifes too short man, lets just get groovy with this and rock out.

    Comment by George
    9.
    June 28, 2009
    7:41 pm

    In responce to C Croft - nobody in Europe or Ireland is demonstrating against Lisbon because nobody can explain what exactly we are voting for? Please explain why anyone with half a brain should vote ‘yes’ when (1) it is impossible to understand what we are voting for? and (2) how can we trust this shower of polititions? Why should we vote yes just because they said it is “vital” for Ireland…? In what way exactly, and what parts of the treaty exactly make it vital…? I for one have not forgot the arrogance of the political elite in the run up to the first referendum “just vote Yes - Do as your told”
    emmm okay then….

    Comment by Neil
    10.
    June 28, 2009
    10:23 pm

    @Brian Boru

    By what seems to your reasoning Spain is suffering an unemployment rate of 18% due to its acceptance of the Lisbon treaty…

    Then why does Ireland, the naysayer of Europe, lag behind by only 7.8%. Or do you think that if we had said yes we would be in a worse state? Nothing to say to poor governmental decisions, banking problems and corruption?

    No we should not approach the Lisbon treaty with a look at Spain tact.

    As for Mr. McCreevy - despite his ramblings I love any man who can cause even more worry for Brian Cowen..,

    Comment by Una P
    11.
    June 28, 2009
    10:26 pm

    Dude thats deep..

    Comment by George
    12.
    June 29, 2009
    2:44 am

    c croft, noone was demonstrating against Lisbon last year but the people rejected it anyway. Because in a democracy, that’s how it should be done. The fact that we are the only country to get a referendum on such a seismic transfer of sovereignty to Brussels and the submission of 50 policy areas to Qualified Majority Voting is nothing short of disgraceful. The strong performance of anti-Lisbon parties in some countries underlines that while there may be unanimity among governments to pass Lisbon, there certainly isn’t among the nations of Europe. This is especially so in Britain, where 63% voted for anti-Lisbon parties. If the EU is to be a democratic-project, then it has to bring the people with it. That demonstrably has not happened with the Lisbon Treaty.

    Comment by Brian Boru
    13.
    June 30, 2009
    7:46 am

    I’ll show the causality with respect to the Spanish unemployment/yes vote when the govt shows the purported causality between our no vote and our recession. Let’s be consistent.

    Comment by Brian Boru
    14.
    July 3, 2009
    3:49 pm

    McCreevy might lose his job as a commissioner if Lisbon goes through. Could that be the reason for his regular attempts to sabotage it?

    Comment by Frank Jameson
    15.
    July 3, 2009
    4:48 pm

    “McCreevy is a Commissioner. He knows how disastrous a yes vote will be in adding enormously to the power of the Commission, an unelected and unanswerable bureaucracy that is intent on creating a completely cenralised European state.”

    Would love to see an explanation as to how the Lisbon Treaty adds to the power of the Commission. As far as I know it changes nothing for the Commission although it does increase the powers of the directly elected Parliament. And I’d also love to see some evidence - nay, any evidence - that the Commission wants a centralised State. But that’s the No side for you - sling some mud and then run away…

    Comment by Joe
    16.
    July 3, 2009
    5:08 pm

    Brian Boru you say Luxembourg voted yes, hardly a good example because of its small population, and the fact that they host an EU HQ, and half of the population there works for the EU gravy train!!

    I’m not sure how I will vote on Lisbon myself, but McCreevey is a straight shooter, and the amount of smoke and mirrors regarding this treay is a bit suspicious!!

    Comment by P
    17.
    July 3, 2009
    10:37 pm

    Can Brian Boru therefore show the causality between the Luxembourg yes vote and the fact that they have the best economy in Europe?

    Comment by Frank Jameson
    18.
    July 4, 2009
    2:40 pm

    An Irish Bedtime Story for all Nice Children and not so Maastricht Adults

    http://ceolas.net/#eu7x

    The Happy Family

    Once upon a time there was a family treaty-ing themselves to a visit in Lisbon.
    On the sunny day that it was they decided to go out together.
    Everyone had to agree on what they would do.
    “So”, said Daddy Brusselsprout “Let’s all go for a picnic!”
    “No”, said Aunt Erin, “I don’t want to”.
    Did they then think of something else, that they might indeed agree on?
    Oh yes they did?
    Oh no they didn’t!
    Daddy Brusselsprout asked all the others anyway, isolating Erin, and then asked her if instead, she would like to go with them to the park and eat out of a lunch basket….

    Kids, we’ll finish this story tomorrow, and remember, in the EU yes means yes and no means yes as well!
    .

    Comment by ceolas
    19.
    July 4, 2009
    11:06 pm

    It says in Nice that we lose our commisioner, but if we vote yes we get to keep it! Strange how the NO side always says we’ll lose it but the exact opposite happens if we vote yes!

    Comment by Marcus
    20.
    July 5, 2009
    5:22 pm

    Before paying too much attention to McCreevy, bear in mind thet he, Ahern, and Cowen are to blame for the current bankrupt state of the country. McCreevy first priority was never anything other than what was good for his own and FF’s political future. The bods in the EU can’t wait to see the end of his tenure and the end of his incompetentce.

    Comment by John Daly
    21.
    July 10, 2009
    4:38 pm

    Ah.. Charlie McCreevy, the neo-PD and Thatcher worshiper is in the news again. How long do we have to wait for him to feck off. Maybe he could take Mary (let’s privatise everything) Harney with him. They are 2 of the worst politicians Ireland ever created. Oh wait… include Michael McDowell, Bertie Ahern and Pat Cox in there as well.

    Comment by PD

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