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  • irishtimes.com - Posted: December 2, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

    Readers SLAM Screenwriter’s best of the decade (not really).

    Donald Clarke

    Well, wouldn’t you know it. For the first time since this blog started, due to a mild technological irregularity while holidaying, I was unable to moderate comments for a full 24 hours. As it happened, that was, of course, the day Screenwriter had by far the highest number of posts in its brief history. No surprises there, I suppose. Who doesn’t have an opinion about the best 20 flicks of the decade? Anyway, normal service is now resumed.

    To be fair, though there were dozens of posts suggesting omissions, you were, for the most part, very polite and acknowledged the impossibility of selecting a definitive list of 20 films. However, as the comments built up, the exclusion of one film in particular began to seem more and more conspicuous. In one of those mild ironies that make life worth living, I spent a good portion of Tuesday — the day the comment avalanche hit Screenwriter Gulch — wandering round the excellent DDR museum in Berlin. Over here we have a typical flat from East Germany circa 1982. Over there you can examine Stasi surveillance equipment. In the gift shop, you can buy a copy of Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck’s fine thriller The Lives of Others. You know, that film the moron from The Irish Times failed to put in his top 20 of the noughties.

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    Team America World Police? I can’t believe what I’m hearing. Send in the goons.

    In a good-natured post, Anton Chigurh (no doubt troubled by his own exclusion) suggested  that I was a “crazy jellyfish” for leaving it out. About a third of the posts also mentioned the Cold War classic’s omission. Yes, classic. Readers will be relieved to hear that the picture was in and out of the list during the hours up to deadline. Other frequently mentioned exclusions such as Adaptation, No Country for Old Men, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind were also penciled in and, had it been a top 25, I suspect those five (with, maybe, The Descent and Dead Man’s Shoes running them close) would have made it into the winner’s enclosure.

    So, I couldn’t really, in all good faith, justify launching into a pondering of “what’s wrong” with The Lives of Others. It seemed to me to a deeply moving and thunderingly exciting picture. Perhaps it just felt a little bit — don’t yell, just a little bit — like a high-class soap opera. And I’m not sure young Florian shows that much directorial flourish. (But, then again, I hear you say, when a director can tell a story this well, he doesn’t need flourish). In any case, I still don’t think I would include the film if I were re-doing the chart tomorrow, but, when I see it in other folks’ lists, I nod in near-complete agreement.

    What of City of God? Fernando Meirelles’s electrifying tale of the Favelas has certainly picked up legions of enthusiasts and driven quite a few young talents scurrying behind a camera. Many here felt its non-appearence, to quote Murta, an “unfathomable omission.” Indeed, only Lives of Others had more supporters. Again, I think it’s a very fine piece of work, but, after several viewings, it still seems like the classiest, zippiest sort of penny-dreadful. It never quite made my long-list.

    What interested me most here, however, were the objections to inclusions and to two in particular. In the nine years that I have been battering keyboards for The Irish Times, the review that generated by far the greatest number of angry e-mails was neither my bored shrug at Harry Potter and Whatever it is This Year nor my facetious denunciation of Watchmen (though, as you can imagine, those notices did anger the Nerdisphere). It was my five-star rave for a film that received consistently excellent reviews elsewhere and (not that this really matters) picked up an Oscar for best original screenplay. Yes, a legion of readers hated Lost in Translation. And it’s still going on. Again and again, comments raged about Sofia Coppola’s odd comedy making in into the top 20 “Did Lost in Translation have to cheapen itself by trying to stuff in as much stereotypes as it did?” Fearghal said. “Totally empty” Mike said. “Lost in Translation sticks out like a sore thumb here,” Hairy Cake added. Phew! Well, I do acknowledge the problem with Japanese stereotypes, but, as a depiction of numbed dislocation and the emotional surges that result, it still seems right on the money. Surely it deserves credit for that gloriously romantic last sequence: the kiss, the unheard remark, the Jesus and Mary Chain? No? Does anybody out there still like the picture?

    The other highly contentious inclusion was David Cronenberg’s A History of Violence. Now, since its release, this has been a Marmite film: you either love it or it makes you want to vomit. To those who preferred Eastern Promises, I would say that the latter picture is about as good a film as it is possible to make from a poor script. A History of Violence — though stubbornly odd — is a beautifully balanced whole that makes more sense the more you wallow in its ugliness.

    What else? Well, other films mentioned often included Donnie Darko, Requiem for a Dream and The Diving Bell and the Butterfly (all of which I like). I was going to end by saying that I was amazed nobody cried out for The Dark Knight. Then, as I began typing this paragraph, Brian did just that. Well done, sir. You have provided us with our full stop.

  • 24 Comments »

    1.
    December 3, 2009
    2:02 am

    Welcome back Mr. Clarke. Hope the holidays in what remains of LeCarreland went well.
    Like most of the responses to the previous post regarding your films of the decade, I have my own questionable preferences to suggest as replacements for some of those on your list, but I will exercise restraint this time and refrain from scrawling too much of my usual guff over valuable web-space. Your choices which are spot on in my dodgy opinion are included in my list. Apologies if I have committed my usual sin regarding the dating of releases. I have also listed films which may have only received a dvd release here.

    In no order whatsoever;

    1. Session 9
    2. Songs from the Second Floor
    3. Storytelling
    4. Together
    5. The Son
    6. Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance
    7. Bad Santa
    8. Birth
    9. Elephant
    10. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
    11. The Ordeal
    12. The Sun
    13. Hidden
    14. The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
    15. Zodiac
    16. 4 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days
    17. Hunger
    18. No Country for Old Men
    19. There Will Be Blood
    20. Let the Right One In

    Comment by Nam Citsale
    2.
    December 3, 2009
    2:13 am

    No problems with any of this Elastic Man (are you 45, incidentally?). I caught Section 9 a few years ago and liked it very much, but the film I am happiest to see here is the superb Birth, which got the most puzzling kicking from the world’s critics on release. It might — I feel a post coming on — be the most underrated film of the decade. The rest are all very smart choices too.

    Comment by Donald Clarke
    3.
    December 3, 2009
    2:34 am

    Younger but Accelerated Fogeyism Syndrome has begun to kick in.
    Would be delighted to see something on ‘Birth’. I know that there hasn’t been any consensus on a request I made some time ago, but could this be the start of an occasional series on your favourite films? I notice that some of the replies to your list nominated ‘Sexy Beast’ for consideration as one of the decade’s best, but I think ‘Birth’ is infinitely better, to the extent that both films look like the work of different directors.

    Comment by Nam Citsale
    4.
    December 3, 2009
    9:09 am

    Like with Jim et al’s album list here’s the Top-20 according to Metacritic (a meta-analysis of available reviews, for those who are unfamiliar).

    1. Army of Shadows 2006
    2. Pan’s Labyrinth 2006
    3. 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days 2008
    4. Ratatouille 2007
    5. 35 Shots of Rum 2009
    6. Killer of Sheep 2007
    7. Spirited Away 2002
    8. Lord of the Rings: Return of the King, The 2003
    9. Sideways 2004
    10. Hurt Locker, The 2009
    11. Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie, The 2000
    12. WALL-E 2008
    13. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon 2000
    14. Amadeus: Director’s Cut 2002
    15. Yi Yi (A One and a Two) 2000
    16. Diving Bell and the Butterfly, The 2007
    17. Class, The 2008
    18. There Will Be Blood 2007
    19. Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring, The 2001
    20. Werckmeister Harmonies 2001

    Comment by dealga
    5.
    December 3, 2009
    12:36 pm

    Don my man, i’d never usually praise a critic but it feel the need to say I can’t blame you for the spurning of the excessive Harry Potter films.
    This isn’t just down to personal preference, the books are not the original cachés of literary brilliance that the world over seems to think they are. (Okay, fair enough they are childrens books into adapted to family films so they’re not expected to blow any minds) but they translate into very weak films.

    And i’d agree with you on Watchmen, speaking as a nerd who read and loved the book. the film just didnt have anything special… I imagine i wouldn’t understand it had i not read the book beforehand.

    I affectionately didnt compose a list for “Best of 00’s” for common reason of it being to hard.
    although i was very tempted to compose a list of a “Worst of 00’s”

    Comment by Smurphette
    6.
    December 3, 2009
    12:49 pm

    Thanks for that, Dealga. The Metacritic chart is always somewhat skewed by allowing in re-releases. So the best film of the decade was released in 1969? Really? Killer of Sheep, Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie and (groan) Amadeus are also in there. There’s also a problem with some limited releases getting raves from a small number of critics. Though its pretty good, I would class 35 Shots as only the third best Claire Denis film of the decade.

    At the risk of being hunted down and torn apart in the street, I would also raise an eyebrow at the absurdly high rating of the Lord of the Rings films. Obviously they are impressive achievements, but I find it very hard to take them seriously.

    Comment by Donald Clarke
    7.
    December 3, 2009
    12:53 pm

    lets do a worst films of the decade list for your next holiday and crash your server altogether.

    Comment by bateman
    8.
    December 3, 2009
    1:00 pm

    I think you got the “City of God” omission spot-on. If anything, I’d be slightly harsher in dismissing it. While well-made and engrossing, I thought it suffered from some simplistically pat conclusions by the end. For a film that isn’t overtly cinematic, I think that’s a big criticism.

    Wouldn’t of minded seeing a representative from the many fine documentaries of the 2000s on the list – I’m thinking “Etre et avoir”, “The Class”, “Man on Wire” or “sleep furiously”.

    Comment by brian
    9.
    December 3, 2009
    1:01 pm

    I agree totally with including Lost In Translation. It’s a mesmerizing film with an amazing soundtrack. One of the few films I’ve seen that has stayed with me.

    How can you not have a lump in your throat when Just Like Honey kicks in at the end?

    Comment by Diarmuid
    10.
    December 3, 2009
    3:28 pm

    I would include Lukas Moodysson’s Together and Lilya 4-ever.

    Comment by Brendan
    11.
    December 3, 2009
    5:01 pm

    My top ten list would be:

    10. Half Past Dead (2002) – Possibly the best name for a film ever.
    9. Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo (2005) – Rob Schneider is a comedy GOD!
    8.Half Past Dead 2 (2007) X2 need I say more
    7.Undercover Brother (2002) – A blaxploitation Austin Powers, but funnier!
    6. Dude, Where’s My Car? (2000) – Stiflers in it & he’s stoned.
    5. Bullet Proof Monk (2003) – Nazis, Stifler & Kung Fu.
    4. Today You Die (2005) – Segal again, his films always have the best titles.
    3. Surfer, Dude (2008) – Ken Loach or Mike Leigh couldn’t have done a better job at presenting realism in the surf community. Who needs Waveriders?
    2. House Of Wax (2005) Anything that has Paris Hilton getting snuffed is alright in book
    1. Road House 2: Last Call (2006) – In homage to Swayze, but it’s about Dalton’s (his character in the movie) son who’s a DEA agent who gets mixed up…. well, you can guess where this is going.

    There you have it, the definitive list of the naughties. Tell Madame Editor I’m free whenever she wants to employ me…

    Comment by Cormpat
    12.
    December 3, 2009
    5:08 pm

    Awww, come on Cormpat. Dude Where’s My Car? isn’t that bad. It is, I grant you, no Harold and Kumar, but it has its odd bearable moments. Undercover Brother was also, well, not entirely appalling.

    Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo is more like it.

    Comment by Donald Clarke
    13.
    December 3, 2009
    5:43 pm

    I think, for what it’s worth, The Lives of Others is overrated. It is good, don’t get me wrong, but not one of the 20 best of the decade. I especially dislike the cutesy closing shot of that former stazi spy smirking.

    Know what I thought was shockingly underrated? The Way of the Gun – so smart, so stylish.

    Yes, Donald, an overrated or underrated list might be fun.

    Comment by Joe Griffin
    14.
    December 3, 2009
    6:05 pm

    I had the pleasure of seeing Undercover Brother in the cinema when it came out & the funniest thing that happened was the projectionist knocked over the reel in his little booth.
    Cue the audience, breaking out with laughter, with a voice coming from the projection room “you f**king eejit ! What the f**k did you do?”

    I don’t remember anything else about the film.

    Comment by Cormpat
    15.
    December 3, 2009
    7:02 pm

    I have to assume, Sir, that it’s US release date (Christmas 99) is the only reason for the exclusion of Galaxy Quest from your fatally compromised list? If that’s the case then I think it only fair a la John Delaney, to offer you the chance to include it as a 21st film in your top 20. There Will Be Blood Indeed!

    Comment by Tony the Fla
    16.
    December 3, 2009
    8:26 pm

    Screenwriter’s life seems so exciting. Love to hear more, in detail, about Screenwriter’s recent sojourn in Berlin. What does Screenwriter read en route (on the plane)? What does Screenwriter like to eat – and where in Berlin? (Speaking of food; am missing Tom Doorley’s blog btw – his blog smile-photo was so nice). What was the Stasi surveillance equipment like? Hmmm I think Screenwriter’s escapades could make a great movie. Donald Clarke, Secret Agent, alias Screenwriter uncovers plot to rebuild the wall between East and……….or something along those lines – oh, and I wonder what is Screenwriter’s all-time, ‘favouritest’ movie ever?

    Comment by barbera O'Shcokenzy
    17.
    December 3, 2009
    8:37 pm

    Other than Hunger and the freres Dardennes, there are not enough comedies featuring here. A few suggestions so:

    * Dancer in the Dark
    * Dogville
    * Kings
    * Lilyla 4 Ever
    * Million Dollar Baby
    * Mysterious Skin
    * Requiem for a Dream
    * Revolutionary Road
    * Shooting Dogs
    * Spider
    * 21 Grams

    Being serious, the Toronto International Film Festival also published a hugely impressive top 100 a week or so ago. The hunt for those that I have not seen begins.

    Comment by JD
    18.
    December 4, 2009
    1:10 pm

    It would probably take me forever to compile a list of the top 20 films of the decade (I’m having trouble enough with 2009 alone), but I may yet give it a bash.

    However, I wish to address the Lost in Translation phenomenon. I was overwhelmed when I first saw it. I marched straight to HMV and bought the soundtrack. I listened to at home and dreamed of Japanese gardens and temples and neon metropoles.

    Then I saw it again on DVD, excitedly, maybe 8 months later, and found myself shocked at how much slower it was than I remembered. Since then I have watched it twice more, but times I have turned it off within an hour of starting out of sheer soul-destroying boredom.

    Yes, it’s beautiful and nicely acted, but it really does not stand up to repeated viewing. It’s a real shame.

    So, about those last ten years then…

    Comment by David Neary
    19.
    December 4, 2009
    6:26 pm

    As far as Best Of lists go, this was the one that made me least angry. That’s as close to praise as you’re likely to get in response to your Top 20!

    Nice to see This is England there in particular!

    Comment by J Mays
    20.
    December 4, 2009
    9:27 pm

    Interested to hear that about Lost in Translation, David. I have had the opposite experience, which is one reason why I felt confident about including it in this list. I don’t think I got the DVD until about two years after the picture came out. I guess I have watched it four times since then and — while I acknowledge the problem with the digs at the Japanese — it has never failed to work its charms on me.

    Anyway, it really is fascinating that the film has generated quite so much fury on this blog. If I’d picked Norbit the reactions would, I suspect, have been less outraged.

    Comment by Donald Clarke
    21.
    December 5, 2009
    12:13 pm

    Don’t worry Donald, I’ll back you up. I absolutely loved Lost In Translation and I think it would have to be number 1 on my list.

    Comment by Neil K.
    22.
    December 5, 2009
    2:06 pm

    I would have probably found room for -
    Syndromes and a Century
    Yi Yi
    Flight of the Red Balloon
    Gosford Park

    Comment by Noel
    23.
    December 5, 2009
    3:46 pm

    I had no real problem with the list, these things should never be taken too seriously anyway but it’s great to see this much debate about it. For what it’s worth here’s my list off the top of my head in no order:

    1. songs from the second floor
    2. khadak
    3. in the mood for love
    4. there will be blood
    5. manderlay
    6. mulholland dr.
    7. children of men
    8. no country for old men
    9. russian ark
    10. elephant
    11. mister lonely
    12. synecdoche, ny
    13. my winnipeg
    14. eternal sunshine of the spotless mind
    15. garage
    16. electroma
    17. gozu
    18.sympathy for lady vengence
    19. punch drunk love
    20. donnie darko

    Comment by John McD
    24.
    December 11, 2009
    2:55 pm

    I can see this upsetting a few people – but I generally tried to stay away from airy fairy pretentious stuff.

    I originally put together a top 50, but here’s the top 20 anyway.

    20.) Coraline
    19.) Momento
    18.) Frost/Nixon
    17.) Doubt
    16.) Pan’s Labyrinth
    15.) Moon
    14.) Training Day
    13.) (500) Days of Summer
    12.) In Bruges
    11.) No Country For Old Men
    10.) There Will be Blood
    09.) The Incredibles
    08.) Sunshine
    07.) Inglourious Basterds
    06.) The Dark Knight
    05.) Finding Nemo
    04.) The Departed
    03.) Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
    02.) The Prestige
    01.) Collateral

    Not a bad decade. Better that the 1980s, but not a patch on the 1970s or 1990s.

    Comment by Darren

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