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  • Three strikes…

    November 9, 2009 @ 11:48 pm | by Conor Pope

    A Ray Darcy Show listener sent me a mail about 3 Mobile which sounded wearily familiar. She’s been a customer of the company for years and pays her bill by direct debit. Here’s what she wrote:


    “Due to an oversight, which I accept was my fault, a direct debit of €83 wasn’t paid in October. Five days later, the Saturday of a bank holiday weekend, 3 rang my mobile four times, left several voice messages and sent text messages. In work the following Tuesday (I’m a nurse in a nursing home) I was told 3 had also rang several times. I was livid. I’d been a good customer and it was the first missed payment. I rang 3 and arranged to pay through internet banking. I asked that my work number not be contacted as the nursing home phone is needed for essential calls, not my personal business. Not less than five minutes after sorting it out with 3, I noticed another missed call from them on my mobile and another voice mail message. Then the work phone rang. It was 3.

    “I explained the situation and how I’d sorted out the payment. I thought this would be the end of it but, a few days later, a text I tried to send wouldn’t go. I tried to make a call and was diverted to 3 customer services where I was told that my account had been suspended due to non-payment. They said online transactions took three working days and my service would not resume ’til the payment hit their account. I had not been told this when I spoke to them earlier in the week and had been told that internet payment was acceptable so my service wouldn’t be affected. I was so angry, I enquired about suspending my contract. I was informed that to cancel my account I would have to pay my contracted bill amount of €80 ’til my account ends on the 26th of March 2010 or make the full payment of €400 immediately.”

    3 spends a lot of money on marketing and promoting its offerings, which it prices very keenly, but everything it does on that score counts for absolutely nothing if this is the way it treats its customers. And this is not an isolated story or the first time I have heard from listeners of the Ray Darcy Show and readers of The Irish Times describing how they have been badgered and bullied by 3 employees over late payments. It is so short-sighted that it absolutely beggars belief, it really does.

    People miss payments all the time for one reason or another. Maybe she had overspent last month or maybe a big transaction had hit her account the day before the 3 payment was due, so the account had insufficient funds – what ever reason – these things happen. It is, however totally and utterly unacceptable for a company to respond in this fashion. And so amazingly counter-productive. If I was a potential 3 customer and I heard this story I would think long and hard about switching to them - I really would. It is just so incredibly rude to pester and badger someone in this fashion four days after a missed payment.

    What normal, decent companies do in circumstances like this is they write to you in the first instance, usually along the lines of ‘Oops, you’ve missed a payment – never mind these things happen. We’ll take a double payment from you next month.’ And then you pay and that’s then end of it.

    Instead they rang her mobile repeatedly on a Saturday, rang her place of work repeatedly over the course of a weekend. Then they said they would take her work number off their system. But didn’t. Instead they rang her again on it. They agreed a method of payment – and bear in mind we’re talking about €83 here – and then because that payment took three whole days to makes its way from her account to 3’s account they disconnected her.

    As she said to me, she is “an honest hard working person and not paying bills is not a habit I am in. I rectified the mistake as soon as I could. I was mortified that this had happened but was equally disgusted in the way I was treated. I was made feel like a criminal.”

    She was so annoyed that she said she wanted to terminate her contract and was told that to end it early – it’s due to run until next March - she would have to pay them 400 quid. She said she was not up on her rights and had no idea how to try and get some compensation or apology for her treatment. She said she was never once given the opportunity to speak to a manger and felt her hurt, annoyance and complaints had fallen on deaf ears.

    Well they haven’t fallen on deaf ears any more. I contacted the company with a number of questions.

    I asked for the guidelines issued to “customer care staff” on how to handle situations like this. I asked if the company thought it was appropriate to repeatedly call someone on their mobile and at their place of work demanding payment and was this typical of the way 3 did business? I asked why was the listener’s phone disconnected despite her being in constant contact with the company over the single missed payment and I asked if the phone company could give listeners an assurance that it would discontinue, with immediate effect, this policy of making repeated calls to mobile phones, home phones and work phones.

    To be fair to 3 it held its hands up immediately. The company accepted that it was unreasonable to have contacted her so often and over a bank holiday weekend after her first missed payment in two years.

    A spokeswoman said that as a result of this story 3 had launched an immediate review of its guidelines. The spokeswoman said steps were now being taken to change its policies on customer contact regarding late payments. In addition, it made a commitment not to call customers on bank holiday weekends and said it had reduced the number of calls a customer will receive. She also said it has put in place re-training for its customer service agents on handling issues of this nature

    Incidentally, the customer was offered 3 months free line rental and a phone upgrade by way of apology.

  • 17 Comments »

    1.
    November 10, 2009
    1:25 am

    I will never use or recommend ‘3′ to anyone. I had much the same problem. it took me 2 months to cancel a mobile broadband account. I hadn’t even used the thing for over a year!

    I called them numerous times and they were extremely unhelpful and left me feeling stressed and humiliated. Plus they stated that i had to wait 30 days to cancel an account and that I would still be charged accordingly.

    Then after I cancelled the Direct Debit I got requests for 2 months payment. Even after I finally got a sympathetic ‘I know how you feel’ from a representative, I still got a letter from NCO, their debt collection agency. So I have paid the €44 today and i am furious at the way I was treated. I was a customer of theirs for over 3 years (no pun intended), having had a mobile phone also. I firmly believe companies now have the upper hand due to people’s fear of prospective damage to their credit rating and this is the only reason I paid.

    Shame on you ‘3′.

    Comment by Paul G
    2.
    November 10, 2009
    11:03 am

    I that that in all this negativity on Three that it is important that a positive comment be left for the good service I’ve received.

    I am also a three customer. I find their customer service excellent. They answer promptly, follow through on their commitments and are friendly and efficient. The real bonus is that they are so much cheaper than the closest competitor and the telecommunications service is the exact same.

    I admit to never having missed payment of my invoice with Three, however it is my responsibility to ensure that I do make payment by the required date, and as such, I do. In terms of being aware of the cancellation clauses, this again is the responsibility of the customer. It is imperative that when anyone signs up for a subscription service that they make themselves aware of all of the cancellation clauses. There are a large number of ligitimate grounds for requesting cancellation (poor quality of service, etc…) so when it is just a case of you not liking being cut off because you didn’t pay your bill, you don’t really have grounds for the cancellation.

    Unfortunately, in terms of crontracted subscription services, it really is a case of let the buyer beware.

    Comment by Adrian
    3.
    November 10, 2009
    11:43 am

    They are appalling.

    And I have to say that whenever I dealt with their customer service on the phone, it was quite difficult to make myself understood. I have no problem with outsourced callcentres, but they should ensure that people working on their Irish accounts can understand English and the Irish accident adequately.

    Comment by An Fear Bolg
    4.
    November 10, 2009
    11:55 am

    I had a very similar experience with Magnet - abismal customer service and had an atrocious experience with Permanent TSB recently. My complaints to the ombudsman and the regulator went into the ether.

    Nobody cares.

    Comment by robespierre
    5.
    November 10, 2009
    8:05 pm

    Adrian,

    Do you seriously expect us to believe you’re not a three shill?

    Comment by Niall
    6.
    November 10, 2009
    8:56 pm

    Adrian, if you’re not a shill, you certainly should be, you’d be great at it!

    Comment by Conor Pope
    7.
    November 11, 2009
    3:47 pm

    I don’t know anything about 3, but here’s an interesting one from NTL/UPC - surely the company who have set the benchmark for bad customer service in Ireland.

    I too missed a payment - in Aug - I thought that they would just take a double payment out in Sept, which they did not. Anyway, a few weeks into Oct the digibox gets turned off during a kids programme and I am reminded that they must have not been paid.

    So I call up, pay by laser, being dealt with by a nice, friendly rep who took both my slagging about their bad customer service, and my surprise at not being hit with a reconnection charge in the spirit intended. Digibox was turned back on minutes later.

    No, I don’t work for them, but I do subscribe to the Feargal Quinn notion that ony bad treatment gets publicity and this seems to be a good place to tell my happy tale.

    3 (the irony) cheers for good service.

    Heisenberg

    Comment by Heisenberg - I'm just not sure
    8.
    November 11, 2009
    6:11 pm

    3 are appalling, their customer service is awful and their staff are so rude. On several occasions I couldn’t understand the accents of the 3 employee over the phone and each time they had the same accent which lead me to believe that their call centre isn’t in Ireland. The staff didn’t seem to care about any of my queries and just fobbed me off.
    Eventually I told them that I wanted to change networks as I found them so frustrating but the employee just started talking about other great price plans and handsets. I asked for the unlock code for the phone which they refused to give to me so I payed to get it unlocked, took out the SIM, snapped it in half and went back to Meteor. I was sorry I ever changed!
    Buyer beware is right Adrian, but only with 3 it seems!

    Comment by Frank
    9.
    November 11, 2009
    6:25 pm

    Adrian, whats it like working for ‘three’?

    Comment by John
    10.
    November 12, 2009
    10:52 am

    Word of the day: shill. I’m a 3 customer and since switching last year, I have had little problem with them. They’re cheaper than my last provider although the 3G reception can be dodgy sometimes, it just drops. Like every other provider then.

    Comment by Eoin
    11.
    November 12, 2009
    12:32 pm

    I too was a customer with 3. They have worst customer service ever! (and I’ve dealt with NTL!)

    Like An Fear Bolg, I always got through to someone who couldn’t understand my accent and I couldn’t understand their accent. I usually have no problems speaking to non English speaking people, but they were the pits!

    I also missed one payment and they did pretty much the same to me. I left them and went to Vodafone the minute my contract was up. They are fantastic I have to say.

    Comment by Ciara
    12.
    November 12, 2009
    3:36 pm

    tell her under no circumstances to accept the upgrade. Because I had problems with my phone, I agreed to ‘trial’ a new phone, only to find out that I had automatically been upgraded, and therefore ‘automatically’ signed up for another year’s contract. Despite many arguments, I didn’t manage to get out of that contract, so I am now dying for the day when I can go elsewhere (next week!)

    Comment by Janet Cavanagh
    13.
    November 12, 2009
    7:21 pm

    Adrian is a shill, but Conor’s article is barely literate. Doesn’t anyone proof read anymore? And indeed 3 has appalling customer service but it has some distance to go to catch up with the awfulness of UPC or whatever NTL is called nowadays….

    Comment by alex
    14.
    November 13, 2009
    12:44 am

    Declaration of interest: I work for The Irish Times and am a colleague of Conor’s.
    Fascinated to read these comments. I cancelled a 3 broadband account in September, just before I went on holidays. My reason for cancelling isn’t particularly important - but it was mainly because of how bad the mobile broadband service was. A customer service representative had actually admitted to me over the phone that 3 could not provide me with the service I was paying for because it did not have the infrastructure to cope with the number of new customers it was selling the product to.
    In the first week of my holiday, I received a call from 3 about my ‘overdue’ payment. I told them I was on holiday and that I had cancelled the account. The representative said they had no record of that cancellation. Despite my protestations and requests that 3 not call me again as I was out of the country, they persisted in calling me. This culminated in an extremely angry response from me the following week when I took a call in my shorts in a supermarket somewhere in the south of Spain. I returned to work to find FOUR voice messages from 3 on my WORK number (all left after I had told them I was out of the country). The interesting part of this story is that I had NEVER given 3 my work number for this account. I had, however, given them my work number for a separate account - which they insisted at the time of opening could not be amalgamated with the mobile broadband account. At the very least, 3 may be in breach of the Data Protection Acts. They certainly harassed me inappropriately for money that was NOT owed (my account was out of contract by the time I cancelled over the phone). The issue was ultimately resolved after I sent a lengthy letter outlining the details of my contacts with the company in relation to the cancellation of my service. The company had no record of my cancellation, but insisted on reading me the rulebook and said I needed to give 30 days’ notice of cancellation of my account. I currently have my phone account with 3. But my experience in relation to my broadband account was possibly the worst customer service experience of my life.

    Comment by Elaine Edwards
    15.
    November 13, 2009
    2:41 pm

    Well, if it’s not repulsive enough that 3 Mobile’s parent company does business in Burma (aka Myanmar), this adds insult to that injury.

    And as for their attempt to review guidelines, or whatever nonsense, it’s too little too late.

    Just another reason not to pay for (or sign up to) anything from this company.

    Comment by click here
    16.
    November 13, 2009
    2:46 pm

    Also, @ Janet Cavanagh:

    I’d imagine that “contract” would be unenforcable in a court of law. If anyone tries to pull that one on you again, see if you can get some expert advice (solicitor, citizens info, FLAC, etc.).

    Small claims court is very cheap, and you don’t need a legal rep, just prepare well.

    Comment by click here
    17.
    November 14, 2009
    4:16 am

    I’m American and there are no exceptions in the US. While late payments do occur, I am surprised the customer complained since she breached her agreement to pay on time. Apparently a small society can dictate extra graces from businesses. While I have been guilty of a late payment, I have paid the consequences of not fulfilling my side of the contract.

    Comment by Patty

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