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  • irishtimes.com - Posted: October 22, 2009 @ 11:24 am

    Customer service – getting better or worse?

    Conor Pope

    You’d think that one of the few upsides of the downturn would be a dramatic improvement in customer service as retailers, restaurants and every other customer focussed business upped their games to keep themselves afloat. But, judging from the level of correspondence I have had in recent months, that has not happened and the roll of customer service dishonour keeps getting longer. What do you think? Are things improving for consumers or is it the same as it ever was? Or worse even?

  • 27 Comments »

    1.
    October 22, 2009
    11:38 am

    Over the past 3 days:
    HSE surprisingly helpful, three separate people – all chatty and able to help. Not one dodgy transfer and got a call back from voicemail message. UPC answered call in under one minute of holding and first human I spoke to was able to help. Police – pleasant, calls not returned, appointment arranged was delegated and a little too much unnecessary bureaucracy. Results obtained though. 3 – very quick to offer discounts to renew contract which didn’t materialize on bill and calls so far not returned. Overall, I would say generally standard has improved since last year.

    Comment by Jennifer Foxe
    2.
    October 22, 2009
    11:45 am

    I suppose you need to look at it from the employee’s point of view- possibly experiencing worse job security, lower wages and/or reduced hours, so perhaps unsurprising if they’re a bit surly. Also, according to Georgina Campbell, consumers are unfairly harassing businesses for lower prices.

    Comment by Tom Ennis
    3.
    October 22, 2009
    11:55 am

    Perhaps it’s something to do with the fact we now have disgruntled accountants and architects working in Marks & Spencer’s lingerie department, under the impression they’re working ‘below their station’?

    Comment by Joey Kavanagh
    4.
    October 22, 2009
    11:59 am

    I am extremely dissatisfied with my bank as they force me through a terribly badly designed process everytime I want to transfer my money to a new account. It is costly and lazy and as an expert in process design (especially in call centre design) it offends me.

    I complained to the bank and got nowhere. I then complained to the FS Ombudsman. They said it was a matter for the Financial Regulator who then said it was not a matter for them but for the Financial Services Ombusman and could always change bank. I know that I could, I would rather that I can access my money when I want to. It is a fairly basic principle of banking.

    The reason I left my old bank was because of the charges. I have used 3 of the main institutions and none are perfect but again coming back to process design how is it that a complaints process could be designed so that a fairly basic customer complaint can drift into the ether.

    Answer: nobody cares so why bother complaining.

    Comment by robespierre
    5.
    October 22, 2009
    1:00 pm

    Joey K – I don’t know which M&S lingerie dept you frequent but it must be a blip on an otherwise unblemished M&S customer service record. M&S employees are the friendliest and most knowledgeable of all retail staff.

    I have found most telephone customer service agents to be several hundred times more polite and helpful than they were a couple of years ago. Apart from O2 – they still seem to think the customer is an irritant.

    Comment by Mira B
    6.
    October 22, 2009
    1:19 pm

    There needs to be a wholesale change of attitude in the retail sector, if you pardon the pun. Shopping recently in Letterkenny with my elderly mother, I was surprised how few shops even manage the basic service of chairs here and there (or even one chair) where an elderly person can rest. On suggesting on one shop (in a very low key manner) that such a chair would be a good idea, the response was that the elderly should go home when they get tired! Obviously some businesses need to go out of business sooner rather than later.

    Comment by Time for change
    7.
    October 22, 2009
    2:31 pm

    Far worse. At the minute, my gym is not giving me money I earned back through an incentive even though I should have gotten it two months and they have offered nothing but apologies but if I was to be two months late with my membership I’m sure it would be another situation; TGI Friday’s when taking money from my laser card last week made a mistake, cancelled the first transaction and was successful with the second, but the money is in limbo from my account and they nor the bank can do anything about that; and I had a woeful time with Ticketmaster’s customer service last week whilst attempting to buy Bryan Adams tickets with a credit card that wouldn’t go through (no, there was nothing wrong with the card) couldn’t care less that I missed the concert but it has to be a problem on their side as the card worked that day, the day before, the day after and the bank said that no attempted transactions from Ticketmaster were even turning up, but all the rudest young fella in customer service had to repeatedly say was that it obviously was my fault. No politeness, manners, nothing. Just very obviously somebody who hated their job. Companies these days just want to get our money, don’t actually care about customer service.

    Comment by Caroline
    8.
    October 22, 2009
    2:41 pm

    Meteor customer service in their shop is a customer service to behold! I went in wtih my hosuemate for her to get an upgrade on her phone that was due to her. They firstly told her she wasn’t entitled to it, even though customer service had, upon hearing this they told us that ‘customer service are idiots’ – that’s just what we want to hear from our service providers, arent they on the same side??
    Then he told us that he’d been waiting on hold with customer service for 40 mins earlier in the day and didn’t want to ring them, so made her ring them herself! All while the guy helping us nipped outside and had a cigarette.
    They made it so difficult for an already existing customer of theirs to get a new phone (charging for a phone that’s free to new customers and asking for passport ID when she’d already given pin numbers and personal info known only to her)
    I was glad i was with O2 that day, especially when i walked across grafton st to their shop, asked some questions, got straight answers and felt confident that they actually knew what they were talking about.

    Comment by CatNip
    9.
    October 22, 2009
    3:22 pm

    I think customer service has disimproved a lot of placed largely due to overworked staff and threadbare rosters – it’s almost impossible to find a free staff member in any shop because so many places have cut numbers, and when you do find someone they are so harassed they aren’t much use. Restaurant service has improved as far as I can see – staff are actually working for tips rather than expecting them.

    Comment by Deirdre
    10.
    October 22, 2009
    5:37 pm

    The problem with customer service in retail is that, particularly younger employees have no interest in the company they are working for. It’s only a stop gap especially if they are students. They don’t see working in retail or at the end of a phone line as a real Job. I have witnessed this having been working in retail for over 25yrs. During the boom time employers where taking on who ever walked in the door just to have staff trained or not. if a employee was told to do something simple and didn’t like it they’d walk out to go somewhere else to doss. So maybe in these tougher times they will realise that it is the customer who ultimately pays there wages and they will get there act together.

    Comment by ALAN
    11.
    October 23, 2009
    12:27 am

    As a restaurant customer under the age of 30, I have never in my life received decent service in a restaurant, so I haven’t particularly noticed a change in attitude in that respect.

    On the subject of banks (and I realise this isn’t customer service), it’s astonishing to me that it takes one branch of AIB 2 days to clear a cheque from another branch of AIB. You’d think there’d be some sort of 21st century communications structure between the branches, but then again perhaps it’s not that surprising.

    Comment by Dave
    12.
    October 23, 2009
    9:16 am

    Hi Mira -I was really worried to see your comments about O2 on this Blog. Clearly this is not what we’re setting out to achieve at O2. I’m responsible for Customer Care at O2 and would be really grateful if you could share your experience with me either here or on PM (rod.coleman@o2.com), so I can ensure that we get to the bottom of the issue.

    My comments on Customer Service in the current climate would be from both a supplier and as a consumer, and what I would say is that there is an underlying change that is not necessarily economy driven but much more to do with a change in the way we the majority of us interact.

    As a customer, I’m much more likely to consult online channels before I look for the face to face contact. This provides organisations with a great opportunity to provide richer information, functionality and at a reduced cost, but it also means that we are more distant from the ‘warm smiles’ of the people in the business!

    I am no longer wowed by a flashy animation greeting me on website, but I am looking for the functionality that will make a difference to my life (we expect the presentation to be simple and engaging).

    I also expect consistency between channels. It is not acceptable to be told one thing online and another in a store.

    For that ‘warm smile’ I am turning more and more to social media to get the engagement that humanises the web. This also provides the neutral opinion that we trust and will lay organisations transparent.

    The corporate sin, therefore, is not to mess up from time to time, but, not to listen to customers and do something about it when this happens.

    It is for this reason that sites such as this will make Customer Service improve, regardless of the economy, as those who are not will be exposed and treated accordingly in good or bad times.

    Comment by Rod Coleman
    13.
    October 23, 2009
    11:43 am

    Rod

    I find it hillarious that you’re trying to get to the bottom of the issue. Your comment is no doubt good PR for O2, demonstrating how reputation aware you are.

    In fact, while O2 customer care is usually pleasant, it is entirely unhelpful and generally nothing is ever the fault or responsibility of O2.

    Dealing with customer care in large organisations is usually an exercise in futility.

    Comment by An Fear Bolg
    14.
    October 23, 2009
    12:29 pm

    @13 surely it’s a good thing that they’re taking an interest in customer complaints?
    A complaint i made to NTL 3 months ago is still being ignored and i haven’t received any sort of acknowledgement from them whatsoever. Burying their heads in the sand seems to be a speciality.
    I actually could go on & on about NTL, but everyone knows their service is atrocious by now so there’s little point i fear..

    Comment by CatNip
    15.
    October 23, 2009
    1:34 pm

    An Fear Bolg – Happy to go through any problems you may have encountered also.

    Actually your point about PR is spot on. There can now no longer be a difference between what companies say and what they do. So the Service we deliver IS our PR!!! Disingenuous PR will be exposed as such very quickly and very publicly.

    Comment by Rod Coleman
    16.
    October 23, 2009
    6:21 pm

    Having lived in the US for over 20 years I am undoubtedly biased in my view however the void between the level of Customer Service in the US and Ireland is staggering. Yes the Irish people are still more genuine in person and yes the US – “have a good day” is overused and largely ignored but put an Irish person in Ireland behind a counter or in charge of customer issues and a transformation of “Werewolf ” proportions occurs – its almost like there are in shock that you actually expect them to do something for you. I love Ireland and will continue to invest and spend time there but Irish people need to recalibrate to an external benchmark when it comes to Customer Service. Interestingly Irish people in the US in Customer Service roles excel in my experience…food for thought.

    Comment by Gerard - USA
    17.
    October 24, 2009
    11:36 am

    I work in a shop part time and sometimes your only ever deadling with a customer for a minute or two at the till point and even then you the employee are working, detagging,scanning,etc. There is very little room to give you heart and soul to the customer who most of the time wants to get out of the madness ASAP!

    Comment by Phil
    18.
    October 28, 2009
    1:36 pm

    Pubs, Conor. Still the same crap with being hardly acknowledged and being thrown some pint of muck without so much as either a “hello” or “thank you”.

    Comment by John B
    19.
    October 29, 2009
    3:09 pm

    actually pubs is an interesting one – pub and club bouncers have to be the most unfriendly bunch of people ever. Are we out of order to expect good customer service from people who are hired to look after our safety? On the whole they’re pushy, rude and sometimes downright insulting. Complaining about them gets you nowehere either. It’s like they’re the equivalent of the management’s angry little footdogs.

    Comment by CatNip
    20.
    October 30, 2009
    10:25 pm

    Service getting better or worse during a recession?? I haven’t particularly seen any difference; those companies that care about what service customers receive are doing well (and probably gaining trade) but those who don’t have a clue carry on, providing shoddy care and service as usual…..we can only hope they disappear for good….

    Comment by Wooden Furniture
    21.
    November 2, 2009
    12:23 pm

    I must say that I have had a very low percentage rate of good customer service here in Ireland even during the boom era. Definitely a need for more competition, it almost seem like you’re begging to be served while paying for a product.

    Comment by Latifat
    22.
    November 2, 2009
    10:25 pm

    Twice in the last 6 months I had occasion to contact BT’s Broadband Technical Support people. The service I received, especially on the first occasion, was really excellent and delivered with patience and courtesy too.

    Comment by maggy d
    23.
    November 3, 2009
    12:58 am

    I’d like to backup Mira’s comment about O2. I became an O2 customer because I wanted to use the iPhone. While in Spain on holiday last year I used the iPhone in Wi-Fi hotspots for email. When I got home I got a bill of nearly €700 for data download. When I figured out the amount of data I would have needed to download to incur such a bill (hundreds of megabytes on 2.5G!) it transpired that there aren’t enough hours in the day.
    Of course it was all my fault, so they agreed to halve the bill immediately for being an idiot using an iPhone in Spain. Under the threat of a trip to the Small Claims Court O2 reduced the bill to €70 odd. Which was still ripping me off but life’s too short to spend it arguing with professional stone-wallers.
    I live in West Cork. It’s a rough 70 miles to Cork for where I live. I have coverage for about 30 of those miles. This is after purchasing expensive bluetooth gadgets so I can make calls as I drive.
    Driving to Dublin, it seems the whole of Tipperary, or at least that part of it that the motorway runs through is devoid of O2 coverage. There are other blackspots as well of course it’s just that Tipperary is totally black.
    The staff are always polite. Just unhelpful. I was called this evening at six o’clock in the middle of making dinner for three children when someone, caller ID blocked, from O2 rang “to help me reduce my bill”. When I voiced my complaints about O2’s many and various shortcomings she couldn’t get off the phone fast enough. I told her that the minute Vodafone get the iPhone. I’m gone. She helpfully told me that that wouldn’t be until March next year. Since O2 won’t upgrade my iPhone until January, I can wait.
    I can’t wait to get away from O2.

    Comment by John D'Alton
    24.
    December 1, 2009
    3:09 pm

    If you want to see customer service at its best and what is obviously a very happy staff I would suggest you take a visit to Clelands of Abbeyleix in County Laois. I doubt it can be touched anywhere.

    Comment by Alex
    25.
    December 3, 2009
    8:38 pm

    I have a friend who has a faulty Acer laptop. It is still under warranty but when you call the support line, you are asked to phone a premium rate number. Each time, the support person says it will be “collected in 2-3 days”. It’s been over a month and over €20 in premium call fees and still no sign of pick up.
    Acer have all the contact details and numbers. Support looks like a premium rate call rip off.

    Suggestions?

    It was bought in the UK but the warranty is good with Acer as my friend has kept all the receipts.

    Comment by IrishWhiskey
    26.
    December 28, 2009
    8:22 pm

    I signed up to O2 after much consideration in October 2009 and got a Samsung Tocco as my handset which was highly recommended by the store assistant as I told her that I use my phone for work and that I am in the car all day. She said it’s very easy to use and has great functionality.

    Within a few days I noticed that the phone was not functioning correctly, dropping calls, losing battery after only a few short calls, Bluetooth connecting / disconnecting constantly deeming it useless for purpose when I am driving, text message failure and also after writing texts that the number was incorrect (even though it was a reply text or text directly from the contact menu). Unfortunately due to work commitments I didn’t get back to the store where I purchased the phone Donaghmede Store until after the 30 days. I was told that the phone would have to go to repair but that I would be given a loan phone as I use my phone for work. The store didn’t have a loan phone on the day and told me to come back after the weekend which I did. They still didn’t have a loan phone for me. I then called Customer Care and they told me the same that I would have to send it back for repair. I told them that I had to have a phone for work and they said that they would call Donaghmede to ask them to hold a loan phone for me and that I would call by that evening after work. I was assured a loan phone would be available for me if I called to the store.

    On my way over to the Store (I left work early from Sandyford to get to the store before closing time) I decided to call the Donaghmede store to make sure they were still holding the loan phone. I spoke to the Manager, to my frustration he said that they hadn’t held it and that they didn’t have any other to loan me, that I could try again during the week and they may have one but they wouldn’t be able to hold one for me as it’s a first come first served policy. I then called the Artane Store and they said that they had a loan phone available and that they WOULD hold it for me. So I had to go to Artane Store when Donaghmede is my local store to get the loan phone and have my Samsung sent away for repair.

    Long story short, my Samsung arrived back repaired and I collected it yesterday 27th Dec 2009. The same problems still there, still dropping calls when on Bluetooth, I haven’t checked for all the other problems yet. I rang Customer Care this morning and explained that the phone was still not working and was told that they would have to repair it again. After explaining all the issues I have they said that under the circumstances that I could bring the phone back to the Store and that they would give me a replacement handset. I mentioned that at this stage I had lost faith with Samsung and didn’t want another of the same make. They said that I could get a replacement to the same value or pay the difference if I wanted an upgrade. They said that thye would put a note on my file and that the Store would not have any problems with this exchange.

    I went to the Store in Donaghmede at 12.30 this afternoon 28th Dec 2009 and was told that NO they couldn’t replace my handset that it had to go back for repair again and in fact it has to go to repair THREE times before a replacement is considered. I asked them to call the CS and speak to the agent I had spoken too to clarify the situation but to no avail. The said that CS could not authorize a replacement and that only Managers can do this. I was in fact talking to the Manager at Donaghmede at this stage and he said that he could not authorize a replacement. He practically laughed at me when I asked to speak to his manager and said he won’t do anything for you either, “you’ll just have to send it back for 3 repairs or buy a new phone”. I asked for his manager’s name and he refused to give it to me. Clearly this was not the service I expected from a manager and instead of trying to maintain good customer service practice all he did was to further frustrate a new customer. Even customers in the store were nodding their heads at his demeanor towards me. One gentleman actually corrected him on codes of practice. Unfortunately I didn’t get the gentleman’s name.

    I finally left the store after an hour long wait whilst they called the CS centre again and the same story, all you can do is repair it again.

    At this point I am clearly not a happy customer, I am paying for a service that I cannot use as the handset is faulty. I have searched on your website to see where it states that the handset has to be repaired 3 times before replacement can be considered and cannot see it! I have gone through all the terms and conditions under Repairs and Returns.

    I can honestly say that I have never experienced such bad customer service. I had been with Vodafone for 8 years and not once in all that time did I experience any problems with them. The reason I changed to O2 was because they could offer a better tariff. But I am now at the stage that I would prefer to pay the extra cost for calls but at least receive the customer service levels that customers expect.

    I have not asked for anything out of the ordinary. All I requested is a phone that works and is fit for purpose. Not a phone that has to be repaired time and time again when it is only 2 months old.

    Comment by Loretta
    27.
    December 29, 2009
    10:10 pm

    A POSITIVE UPDATE. In response to a letter to the head of Customer Care at O2 last night. I am delighted to say that the issues I experienced have now been resolved and O2 have gone out of their way to restore my faith in them. So I’d like to say Thank You to the members of staff at O2 who have helped me with my predicament.

    Loretta

    Comment by Loretta

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