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  • Sky’s the limit

    October 20, 2009 @ 11:30 am | by Conor Pope

    A listener to the Ray Darcy show got in touch with me last week after being given a right run-around by Sky Television. He moved house at the end of 2005 and at the end of November of that year his wife sent a disconnection request to Sky. It was acknowledged and Sky said the account would be terminated on the 30th December 2005. The couple opened a new account in his name, with a different bank account number and they thought no more about it.

    Until December 2007 when he noticed payments coming out of his account. He immediately contacted the company and it stopped the payments. Ever since he has been trying the money taken from him in error refunded. He has sent numerous letters and emails to no avail. Most recently he sent an email to customer relations in August which was ignored and a fax in September which earned him a terse response in which Sky said “we are unable to make a refund in relation to this”. There was no further explanation.

    So, Sky effectively stole (or at least took without asking) over a thousand euro from an entirely blameless customer, ignored multiple requests pleading with them to resolve the problem and said they would not give him a refund without saying why.

    Now normally when companies treat customers this badly, they adopt a defensive pose that can take a number of forms. The most common is the ‘oh we needed to be told in writing’ defence - but Sky could not use this line because it had been informed in writing.

    The ‘we weren’t given enough notice’ line would not have worked either as it was given plenty of notice. And the ‘Oh you needed to get confirmation in writing from us that the contract had been terminated’ defence would have let Sky down because the couple had written confirmation that the contract was to be terminated.

    So, with all the possible excuses used up, Sky just ignored their customer and refused to refund him.

    I contacted the company last Wednesday and on Friday evening I got a statement. It said. “Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Following an internal investigation, we have established that an error in our systems resulted in a failure to cancel our listener’s account.” It went on to say it had contacted our listener and agreed to refund him the full amount owed – over €1500 - and it apologised for the failure in its systems which caused these problems. It has also given him free Sky Television for the next 12 months and the direct line telephone number of one of its most senior Irish staff so if any other problems occur he will be able to get them resolved. I don’t think that they could really have done any more short of coming round to his house and pushing the buttons on his remote control when he wanted the channels changed. So the story ends well. But that is not to absolve the company of the disgraceful way it treated this listener.

  • 10 Comments »

    1.
    October 20, 2009
    11:46 am

    perhaps it’s time that companies started getting hit with punitive damages as well making refunds and token gestures. Having worked for a telephone company, I know that they didn’t deliberately inconvenience customers but neither did they always put sufficient resources in to preventing or resolving problems. Obviously this customer could have gone to court and gotten some damages and compo but this is too much too ask of the average punter. The relevant regulators need to be far more proactive in levying meaningful punishments on companies in order to encourage good practise from the start

    Comment by Tom Ennis
    2.
    October 20, 2009
    12:21 pm

    But this still required your intervention to get the refund. Why is it necessary for a wronged consumer to call upon the services of a journalist such as yourself to right an obvious wrong? I would have tried the small claims court myself.

    Comment by Mary
    3.
    October 20, 2009
    4:18 pm

    This type of thing happend to me with NTL/UPC, but not to the extent in the above article.

    NTL were also very difficult to get my money back from. However, I feel I will have the last laugh as I have installed the BBC freesat system and have vowed never to pay for something I can get for free. Now if more of us took this approach, they might value and look after the customers they have.

    Why would I pay Sky or UPC for TV I can get for free, including two HD channels.

    Comment by Mr FreeSat
    4.
    October 21, 2009
    12:20 pm

    Freesat,

    Is the BBC freesat system available to Irish consumers?
    I understood this was only accessible to UK viewers.
    Tell us more please!

    Comment by Noel
    5.
    October 21, 2009
    4:18 pm

    Why go to Ray Darcy or Conor Pope when there is the Consumers Association of Ireland. Failing that, get a solicitor and go the whole hog on them.

    8 months down without a tv in my home, and I don’t miss it one bit. Drug of the nation.

    Comment by Daveg
    6.
    October 21, 2009
    8:17 pm

    This very same problem has just happened to me, unfortunately I only noticed I was paying double last week. This has been going on since last November when I moved into my new home. In the middle of letters and phonecalls and feeling very frustrated with the whole attitude of their so called customer services. Just saw the last comment and will be going to the Consumers Association of Ireland. I would however really appreciate if I could even talk to someone in their Customer Relations office. Therefore I was wondering do you have any names and numbers I can use to contact them. They are trying to push me aside saying its all my fault and that I am a fraudster because my new account was opened in my husbands name. Regards Aisling Egan

    Comment by Aisling Egan
    7.
    October 23, 2009
    3:15 am

    What isn’t mentioned at all here is the contribution made by the direct debit or credit card payment systems. This situation could not arise if companies had not got ‘instant’ access to our accounts. There are no sanctions whatsoever to fear for these companies and the consumer has not protection in spite of the so called direct debit guarantee. All this guarantees is that you will get back (eventually!) what should not have been taken in the first place. There is no guarantee that companies will comply with the rules of the scheme and no sanction when they don’t. We have all been marched into the ‘electronic payment’ era far too fast.

    Can you imagine what would happen if anyone hacked into a Sky bank account and took a ‘loan’ of a fiver? I imagine the Gardai would be calling around pretty sharpish!

    Comment by Sean
    8.
    October 23, 2009
    12:51 pm

    Canceling my $ky+ subscription after years of silly issues was the best thing I’ve ever done. I’ve a nice Humax Foxsat HDR which costs less than 6 months subscription and no bills anymore.

    RTE are in fact boosting Sky revenues by not broadcasting free to air like BBC/ITV/Ch4 etc do.

    It’s a shame to have to pay the RTE Licence and not be able to receive their channels.

    I would love if Pricewatch could ask why the delay?

    Comment by Fintan
    9.
    October 23, 2009
    2:13 pm

    @Noel,

    FreeSat is satellite based transmission.

    FreeView is land-based transmission.

    UK, Ireland and parts of Europe can watch FreeSat with no monthly subscriptions.
    You need a dish and a receiver (to watch HDTV, the receiver needs a mpeg4 decoder)

    UK and Northern Ireland can watch FreeView. Most homes in Republic of Ireland cannot watch FreeView because they cannot get the signals. FreeView requires an aerial and a receiver.

    However, Ireland does have a FreeView equivalent, called “DTT”, which is currently in testing phase. RTE1, RTE2, TV3, TG4 are being transmitted in digital - currently no other channels available.
    DTT requires an aerial and a receiver (with mpeg4 decoder)

    Note: Irish channels are not freely available via satellite.

    For more information, have a look on boards.ie

    Comment by Richard C
    10.
    November 3, 2009
    11:59 am

    Forget the CAI, they are a waste of a space.

    Forget solicitors they cost a fortune and all they do is send “a strongly worded letter”.

    Leave Conor and the journalists to do what they do best, report on ripoff Ireland.

    The small claims court is the best, fastest and simplest process to deal with this type of BS for anything under €2,000.

    Cost €15.

    The real beauty is that you can now claim online.

    Companies like Sky and UPC hate it because they now have to explain to a third party the mess they have made.
    99% of the time they pay up pronto.

    Great if people could report how they got on.

    Comment by Francis

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