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  • O2 changes upgrade policy - people very unhappy

    September 29, 2008 @ 1:21 pm | by Conor

    A listener to the Ray Darcy show got in touch with me after being offered an upgrade by O2 in May which was subsequently withdrawn. After the first offer he was told that seeing as how there were no phones he particularly fancied he could hold off. But when he called them last week he was told his entitlement had disappeared. Turns out he is not alone in being very, very unhappy with O2 right now. Not long after I got his mail I started to get others from other equally annoyed customers.

    Another person who was entitled to a Gold upgrade – O2 offer silver, gold and platinum upgrades depending on what class of customer you are – but wen he went online last week to choose a new phone he found his upgrade had disappeared.

    And online discussion forums are hopping with people who have effectively lost their upgrades. What 02 have done is just a little sneaky. They have changed their policy significantly and it has become much more difficult to qualify for an upgrade.

    When I contacted the company I was given a statement which confirmed it had reviewed eligibility criteria for mobile phone upgrades. I was told this was standard practice within the industry to review and update this criteria on an ongoing basis. Such reviews result in both increased and decreased entitlements to upgrading customers depending on the time of review. This will be subject to further review in the future where the criteria may change again.

    Now that doesn’t tell us a whole lot. I wanted to know the numbers behind the policy change. Specifically I wanted to know how much a user had to spend every year to qualify for an upgrade today and how much they would have had to spend to qualify for that upgrade two months ago. O2 told me that the information was commercially sensitive and were unable to give me the before and after figures.

    I have to say I think this response is ridiculous I am sure they have their reasons for refusing to give me the numbers but I don’t think keeping it secret helps O2’s cause. I don’t see how it can be commercially sensitive to withhold details of what a customer needs to do to qualify for an upgrade when that information would have been available to all of o2’s customers from their call centre. If you as an o2 customer ring the company and ask for information about an upgrade they will presumably not say ‘sorry this information is commercially sensitive’ so I can’t for the life of me see why they’d tell me that.

    And the confusion is not doing them any favours. Looking at the discussion boards on the web the rumours are flying and the figures are truly shocking. Some people are saying that if an annual spend of €1500 was enough to qualify for a particular upgrade a year ago that sum has increased to €5000 today. Now that figure was flatly denied by an O2 spokeswoman so clearly that is wrong. More posters – and these are o2 customers - were saying that the spend needed to qualify for an upgrade has increased from €700 to €1700 well over 100 per cent.

    One of the problems here might be the iPhone. In July a new 3G version of the iPhone was launched so a lot of people who may have been entitled to upgrades to the new version were waiting as stock was limited. Now their opportunity to upgrade to the new phone has been taken away. And while this is only speculation, one of the reasons for the big change in its upgrade policy may have to do with the iPhone. Stocks are low and it can’t supply all its existing customers who want the phone. More importantly, it probably wants to keep the iPhone stock it has to entice new customers and doesn’t wanting to be handing them out to existing customers. Which is all well and good unless those existing customers get so annoyed that they take their business elsewhere.

  • 16 Comments »

    1.
    September 29, 2008
    1:55 pm

    Switching networks is almost easier than trying to get an upgrade.

    Just check the callcosts site to find the cheapest network/plan for your usage.
    http://www.callcosts.ie/mobile_phones/Mobile_Calculator.123.LE.asp

    Comment by DaveG
    2.
    September 29, 2008
    2:26 pm

    ‘Which is all well and good unless those existing customers get so annoyed that they take their business elsewhere’ — well, this isn’t possible with a (non-jailbroken) iPhone, right?

    Comment by Justin
    3.
    September 29, 2008
    2:40 pm

    Justin, yeah, if you really want the iPhone and you want to be completey legit, your stuck with O2. Mind you if they won’t give people the iPhone as an upgrade, they may as well leave and come back this time next year as new customers when they’ll be greeted with open arms and a snazzy new Zeitgeisty phone!

    Comment by Conor
    4.
    September 29, 2008
    2:49 pm

    If it is simply about the iPhone, anyone who lost their upgrade should move to another network as a pre-paid customer for a few days and then go back to O2 as a new customer. New customer deals are often better than upgrades anyway, although, O2s website states that they have no iPhones for nev customers either.

    Comment by Laura
    5.
    September 29, 2008
    2:57 pm

    Was planning on sorting out a new work phone for a business account I have for the day job. I use the XDA and it was time for a new one. Read your post and have just rung them and the upgrade that I was offered the last time I spoke with them in February is now no more. Many many apologies later and no hope of changing this in any way it seems. Time to see what the opposition offers. (sees people laughing at me as I think about possibility of competition in the market!)

    Comment by Suzy Byrne
    6.
    September 29, 2008
    7:57 pm

    Can anyone confirm that if my upgrade is gone, what price do I have to pay for the 16GB I phone when it comes back into stock? Thanks

    Comment by Sean D
    7.
    September 30, 2008
    11:31 am

    The marketing departments in Vodafone and Meteor can probably take a few days off seeing as O2 are doing all their work for them.

    Comment by Paul McClean
    8.
    September 30, 2008
    6:56 pm

    the last upgrade i received was in 2004, my gill averages E150 per month, and i only want a basic phone. now they want E700 to escape an 18 month contract that i never put a signature to. i got a call about a new bill plan, and apparently this verbal contract is set in stone. very annoyed

    Comment by pat mc
    9.
    September 30, 2008
    7:52 pm

    That call costs site is great put it’s a pain to go through your bill by hand to work out the figures to put into the form. Being the lazy programmer I am, I knocked up a script to do it instead: http://pintofplain.com/calls.php

    Comment by Karl M
    10.
    September 30, 2008
    10:00 pm

    I just had the same problem - I was offered a gold upgrade about 6 months ago and it has now expired

    I asked how can I cancel my contract - that’ll cost me €70

    Not going to give them the €70 - will wait the 5 months and then not renew it

    Comment by Ian McGahon
    11.
    October 2, 2008
    1:23 am

    patmc, I’m in pretty much the same situation.

    I’ve been with o2 (esat before them) since 1999. I spend around 120euro/month and haven’t upgraded since 2005. I was entitled to a gold upgrade, and I was holding out for an iPhone. I noticed the upgrade was no longer displaying on the o2 website yesterday, I emailed them, but got no reply as yet.

    I am extremely annoyed that I’m tied into an 18 month contract with them - a contract that I wasn’t aware I had agreed. O2 called me and advised me to “move to a better value payment plan”, without informing me that doing so would start an 18-month contract that I would have to buy my way out of. You obviously had the same treatment - so it sounds like they were targetting people who were out of contract.

    I’m leaving o2 in six months when the contract expires. I run my own business and my company pays my phonebill and one for a colleague. So I’ll be moving both accounts.

    “Very annoyed” is a mild way of putting it.

    Comment by martin
    12.
    October 3, 2008
    1:35 pm

    Just move to the lowest priced plan, wait a week, then call and cancel your subscription with them. If they make you pay, they only make you pay the monthly tariff for each month you’re cancelling early. Customer service rep who was ashamed of the treatment I’d been getting suggested this to me. Brilliant.

    Comment by Ginger
    13.
    October 7, 2008
    3:12 pm

    I have had a running mail battle with O2 over the last week or so.

    I have e mails from O2 telling me that despite the fact I was previously eligible for a platinum upgrade I am now no longer eligible for this.

    Upon questioning the reason I was informed that there must be a minimum spend over the previous 12 months of €3500 on an account to qualify for an upgrade.

    Maybe I’m living a sheltered existence but almost €300 a month seems like an awful lot to spend on a phone bill. So I put this to them and asked them for the reasons for the change and any information they could give me about it so I could make a complaint to the National Consumer Agency…….Silence.

    Then yesterday. a week after my last email. I was told that amazingly I was in fact eligible for a fabulous silver upgrade and next month would be eligible for a gold upgrade.

    I responded that a combination of not getting my platinum level upgrade back and realisation that I wasn’t the only one they were shafting (thanks to three’s well timed advert on the back of one of the free morning rags) had more or less forced my hand and I would not be renewing my contract.

    When I checked online I still had no upgrade.

    I thnk thats the what we all should do. Talk with our feet.

    LETS ALL GO TO METEOR AND TALK AND TEXT FREE FOR LIFE

    Comment by Walter Rainey
    14.
    October 10, 2008
    10:10 pm

    I have a iPhone 3G 8Gb in black phoned O2 today to ask about upgrading to 16Gb white. to be told there was an offer running at the moment for iPhone customers to upgrade at the normal cost of the discounted iphone depending on my tariff…. so in my case for £59, however i would start a new 18 month contract.

    I asked that seeing as ive only had my contract with them since July if this was right.. the operator told me she was sure twice I asked a third time and had her check with her manager.. a few minutes she returned to inform me it was all ok and that it was being processed . I had a few E-mails confirming everything…

    6 hours later I get a call from O2 to say they had made a mistake and that I couldn’t have the upgrade. was I ok about it? No I dont think so,

    He then told me that seeing as it had been dispatched I would have to arrange for it to be sent back within 14 days or they will bill me for £399.

    Comment by norm
    15.
    October 10, 2008
    10:51 pm

    I rang the National Consumer Agency to complain about this - They said they were aware of many complaints but could not do much about it and advised getting something in writing

    Comment by Ian
    16.
    November 9, 2008
    5:27 pm

    i see from the above piece that there is a lot of 02 customers who are unhappy about the upgrade situation
    well my experience is i availed of a upgrade with them last december and it was added to my bill for janaury
    i’ve been on to 02 in the last couple of days and i’ve been told to check every couple of weeks
    so what i’m trying to say is they dont seem know what is the crieteria for it
    because the people at the top seem to be playing hardball

    Comment by joe griffin

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