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  • irishtimes.com - Posted: September 22, 2011 @ 7:01 pm

    Showbiz politics in presidential race

    Deaglán de Bréadún

    The news that RTE’s presidential debate will be broadcast on the Late Late Show says it all – this is a showbiz election. That’s not necessarily a bad thing and it is even, in a way, heartening to think that a political race could have the same crowd-pulling power as The X Factor.

    The furore over Martin McGuinness and his IRA past was to be expected – although it seems to have caught the republicans themselves by surprise.

    His “West Brits” comment was of course a faux pas. It was the same kind of ad hominem approach (we do all languages on this blog, living and dead) that his critics take towards himself.  Or to put it in sporting terms, he was playing the man when he should have been playing the ball.

    It is hard to find anyone who is convinced by his assertion that he left the IRA in 1974. If  he had, how would he have brought that organisation on board for the peace process at various critical stages, people are asking?

    The possibility that he could be charged with war crimes  is an interesting new angle.  Others in the same boat of course could be Tony Blair, George Bush jr and even Barack Obama – the manner in which Osama bin Laden was “taken out” surely breached the Geneva Convention (not that too many people are  lamenting the latter’s demise of course.)

    Even if he loses the election and goes back to being Deputy First Minister, presumably the war crimes issue will remain, unless, of course, the view is taken that such a person is fit to be deputy head of the Northern Ireland government but not head of state here: hardly a sustainable position? 

    It is possible that the brouhaha will die down after about two weeks. Just as many in the unionist population got used to the idea of someone with an IRA past being at the head of government, perhaps also we “down here” will accustom ourselves to the notion of the same individual running for Áras an Uachtaráin.

    Mind you, if he wins, he won’t be the first person who resorted to arms in the name of the Republic, and ended up sipping tea with the Prince of Monaco up in the Phoenix Park. Seán T. O’Kelly and Eamon de Valera come to mind: the death-toll at Mount Street Bridge when Dev’s boys opened up on the Tommies was quite horrific.

    Indeed, we live in a State that was actually set up by a faction of the IRA with  the majority approval of  Dail Eireann at the time. The other main faction, having failed to overthrow that State, eventually took it over by parliamentary means.    

    We are told that future taoiseach Sean Lemass (as well as others) was carrying a gun the first day Fianna Fail entered the Dail. It was Lemass also who famously, or infamously, described FF as “a slightly-constitutional party”. Much-criticised at the time and indeed for most of his political career, Lemass is now a kind of secular saint at the mention of whose name historians and academics lapse into reverential silence.

     The real problem with the McGuinness candidacy for many people is that it breaches the cordon sanitaire (more foreign words) between North and South. He still has the whiff of cordite about him and some people are saying we don’t want that in the Áras, thank you very much.

    There’s also the issue of his being  head of the Defence Forces, although that is a titular role without real decision-making powers except perhaps in a major emergency where the normal democratic system had completely collapsed.

    One wonders does McGuinness himself fully realise that, even if the President is in Buncrana or Letterkenny and wishes to cross the Border to visit family-members in Derry, he or she cannot do so without the permission of the Government? If the President fails to obtain that permission but insists on going ahead anyway, to make a political point as it were, then he or she is liable to impeachment. The current President cannot visit her place of origin in the North without specific advance approval for every trip.

    If you closed your eyes in the reporters’ section at the recent Sinn Fein ardfheis as McGuinness was speaking you would swear you were listening to John Hume. The challenge for him is to assert that new persona and obliterate the Shadow of a Gunman. It’s a big ask.

    The polls are going to be interesting from now on. It looks as if David Norris is going to secure a nomination, either from the required 20 Oireachtas members or four county/city councils.

    It’s very hard to predict the outcome at this early stage. The Fine Gael machine seems to be lumbering into action on behalf of Gay Mitchell. Labour nominee Michael D. Higgins is a household name. Independent Mary Davis has been cleaning up on the council front and Sean Gallagher is also a formidable campaigner. Norris has an unmistakable popular appeal and McGuinness may attract Fianna Fail voters who feel they have nowhere else to go.  Oh, and Dana Rosemary Scallon could still pull a rabbit out of the hat in terms of a nomination, although it looks very much as if she left it too late.

    At least it will take our minds off the forthcoming Budget for a few weeks.

    • Desmond FitzGerald says:

      If McGuinness is now a man of peace, that’s great.

      But the problem is that if we are to fully accept that, we need to know what exactly it is from his past that we are now meant to overlook as the price of peace. Until he is honest about his past – all of it – then he hasn’t earned the right to expect a free pass.

      Plus he claims to only take the average industrial wage which is strange given he has a house in Londonderry, oops, he probably calls it Derry, and he has a holiday home too. No bad for the average industrial wage – don’t suppose he’ll publish his P60 to show exactly what income he took and then provide proof of where the rest of it went and what it was spent on.

      He’s simply too tainted by his past (check out his youtube posting where he warns anyone who ‘collaborates’) to ever be allowed forget it. He’s no John Hume or Mandela – to compare the North to apartheid is an insult to the victims of apartheid.

    • Kynos says:

      There was no ICC back in the days deV was denying David Gray the US ambassador Irish ports and facilities and Gray was responding by pulling the tablecloth off the table upsetting the proudly burnished family silver. Not made of 30 pieces either then. But I’ll bet if there were and the US were angry enough with an impertinent small country that dared assert Her Nationhood and Statehood by controlling Her ports to want to punish Ireland, which at that fraught time was deV, in effect, well She, or rather It, meaning the Rough Beast mil/ind/congressional Complex, which in this fraught time is the United States, as far as who’s pulling all the strings there, might be tempted to have him dragged to said ICC on terrorist qua warcrime charges. Not beyond the bounds that such could happen today, there being an ICC and the US tho’ not ratified it Herself has proxies Who have.

      IF SF want to form a government at some point or what passes for being described as such given the total loss of economic fiscal monetary physical military sovereignty that we’ve lost to mathematical and moral sabotage, there are a few things they could do which though assertive of the indefeasibility of sovereign Irish destinies would not leave the Rough Beasts well pleased. Would it make sense to have a President of Ireland who could be exploited by said Rough Beasts so as to compel the Irish government to do other than it would in such a way as that?
      Beyond that I’ve no especial problem with Mr McGuinness. He’s come a long way and brought his constituency with him not to mention their former adversaries ideological religious political and historical.

    • Debra says:

      I was actually hoping last night that the disintegrating huge NASA space station (now in the process of falling to Earth) would survive its re-entering the Earth’s atmosphere and land in its entirety bang smack on top of Áras an Uachtaráin (without injuring any residents, of course..).
      I think John Waters (today) is exactly correct in estimating that the divide between what he refers to as the “Monster Raving Loony” mob (quasi-leftist liberal brigade) and the rest — what I would classify as the Dazed Confused Bewildered others — is steady at 50/50 in this jaded green Isle of ‘ours’ (loss of economic sovereignty noted).
      So divided, we are conquered.

    • Alex Mc Gee says:

      It seems that Norris has now become the ‘establishment’ candidate since Mc Guinness entered the race.
      That alone will make me vote for Mc Guinness at least he has a political mandate.

      Remember De Valera and Le Mass would not co operate with the Bureau of Military history which was set up to chronicle the actions of those who took part in the Easter Rising and the Tan war, those records were never produced until 2003, yet we demand Mc Guinness must tell all of his miltary past now.

    • Kynos says:

      Would Michael Collins have become President had he survived Béal na mBáth? He was already commander in chief of the armed forces of this State. He’d fought a guerilla qua terrorist war against the British Empire.
      Collins was a master organiser and saboteur and spy, or intelligence operative if you prefer. The Cairo gang died on his orders and many others I’m sure but did he ever fire a gun himself (yes, he was in the Post Office) and did he ever kill anyone while doing so (or using other means)? I don’t know. In which case one would presume he didn’t for to do otherwise would be unjust. But seeing how controversy is raging around various candidates’ records of character, as it were, who would have believed him then if he’d said that he never himself killed anyone and that he left the IRA decades before?

    • Kynos says:

      There is no such thing as a successful terrorist. An unsuccessful terrorist is either dead, imprisoned, or has not yet become a statesman.

    • RPE McCarthy says:

      The question, Kynos, rests on the legitmacy of the freedom fighting. Some areas like South Ossetia, Kaliningrad etc. are effectively annexations. Not freedom fights.

      Ireland and Britain came to an agreement enshrined in the Government of Ireland Act. It is covered by Treaty law and registered with the International Court.

      The IRA’s “struggle” was never legitimate and never had legitimacy either in mainland Britain or in the constitutional state of Ireland. The overwhelming majority of people in the south never recognised their fight as legitimate. A minority of nationalists in the North did.

      It was a minority. Their efforts cost many, many innocent civilian lives (circa 645). Scaled up you are talking about an equivalent slaughtering of over 32k British civilians were it scaled up to a UK population of 50m or almost 200,000 civilian non-combatants if this had been in the United States.

      How could he possibly be considered fit to be the first citizen of our State?

    • Kynos says:

      If McGuinness were in the Park ‘twould be the first time since 1926 that the IRA/IRB was unified under a single command.

    • Kynos says:

      If we could just get McGuinness’s former comrades to sign up to Oglaigh na hEireann (the official version) it’d mean Mulcahy’s promise to the IRA/B that they would be the army of the new Republic was also kept and for the first time.

    • Kynos says:

      How could Dev possibly be considered fit to be the first citizen of your State, RPE? He didn’t even bother to campaign when he won his last election but got into the Aras almost quite literally blindfolded. In his previous existence he’d given many’s an order to have people killed too. We know this because we have copies of them. Signed ‘Edev’. At many an appeal for mercy upon his former comrades the reply came ‘the law must take its course’. Of course there is only one law really, in this world of gangfights and rules. How big is your gun and how fast is your draw are the only two questions submitted to that Court. All other considerations being as ‘aspirational’ by comparison as the aspirations of the Irish Constitution to its stated devotion to the observance of international law and the peaceful settlement of disputes. Not notable in how well She’s lived up to those aspirations especially of late is Ho’Lie Mother Ireland. But in the one case where we’ve seen some success I believe Mr McGuinness had as much to do with that as Mr deValera had in a previous generation in bringing his gang to the table and the ballot box. And as Mr Collins had bringing his. And that’s how Mr McGuinness could possibly be considered fit to be the first citizen of a State that nearly isn’t there anymore.

    • Marc says:

      Personally I hope Martin McGuinness becomes the next president of Ireland. He is committed to the Irish language, undertsnads the needs and issues of the average person struggling in this difficult economy and given the work he has done in the Irish peace process I think he would be the perfect choice as 2016 gets ever closer.

    • Jules says:

      Yes indeed, the behaviour of the “establishment” media with regard to demonizing McGuinness and supporting Norris is astounding. Even Martyn Turner’s cartoon (this weekend) aimed at shooting McGuinness’s campaign in the foot, so to speak: why no cartoon of the controversy surrounding Norris and his ex-partner convicted of statutory rape of a 15 year old Palestinian boy; not to mention Norris’s ‘lenient” views on pederasty? No. I don’t think any of us could stomach that.
      This country is gone to the dogs, in my view.

    • Jules says:

      PS — What if Norris and Nawi renewed their relationship and Norris became President? (Norris is spouting on a lot about how the Irish love come-backs at the moment) Given the recently highlighted case involving unlawful sex with a fifteen-year-old boy by Nawi (Norris’s partner 1975-1985), I sincerely hope sanity returns on polling day.

      (In 1995, Nawi was convicted of statutory rape of a 15 year old Palestinian boy, after their relationship had been reported to Israeli police by the boy’s parents in 1992)

      The hypocrisy of those Irish Media analysts continuing to support Norris’s campaign while decrying child abuse by paedophile clerics is appalling.

    • Maoilseachlainn says:

      No modern republic should have a murderer as head of state.

    • RPE McCarthy says:

      Jules,

      No hypocrisy arises and your argument is facile. All child abuse is entirely wrong. Wrong on every level. Senator Norris’ former partner was wrong and was dealt with under due process by an Israeli court. He has paid his debt to the society he lives in.

      We live in a world that is primarily defined by grey, not by the black and white of the cassock and collar.

      Among the differences here is that the Senator has never at any stage denied making a plea for clemency. Equally important, at no stage has it been indicated that this was anything other than an action instigated by the Senator on behalf of his former partner. This is important as it points to the fact that his former partner accepted his guilt and has formally spoken on Irish radio to this effect.

      You cannot equate this with the systematic cover up of child abuse with the Roman Catholic church. Many priests subverted the law of the land and did nothing to ensure that canonical investigations brought about criminal investigations.

      You are right in one sense however, the overwhelming majority of abuse that occurs in Ireland is by men that are not priests on young children and that the majority of those that are subject to abuse are young girls rather than young boys.

      One must be equally vigilant pursuing all such criminals whether or not they hide behind the polished veneer of suburban living or behind the pulpit on a Sunday.

    • Kynos says:

      It’s very rude not to respond to someone who has taken the time and effort to themselves respond to you RPE McCarthy. If nothing else you could always say ‘Fair points Kynos I’ve no argument against them.’

    • RPE McCarthy says:

      @ 10 – one of the very things I approve of wholeheartedly that DeVelera did throughout his long stewardship of this state was the execution of traitors in the Curragh during World War II.

      The sleveen scum that crept off to Germany to make common cause with the Nazis to try and enforce a vision nobody wanted on a country that had democratically voted in favour of the Treaty in 1920 deserved to be hung and thankfully they were.

      I do not delight in the death of anyone and do not (in this day and age) typically support the death sentence but during a time of war difficult choices have to be made and deV needed to send a message to his erstwhile comrades that the state would defend its honour, its legitimacy and its integrity with brutal vigour.

    • Peter Barrins says:

      It is galling to see TD;s and County Councillors deciding who the people of this country will be able to vote for in the Presidential Election. To listen to them standing in judgement and spouting sanctimoniously is sickening. Kettles calling pots black. At this stage, in my view, the entire campaign is totally unpalatable and a farce and the office will be weakened. Mary McAleese should be asked to stay on for an additional year while the necessary reforms are made to facilitate an open and democratic selection process.

    • Peter Barrins says:

      Re McGuinness – at the last General Election did FG and FF (and Labour?) not definitively rule out any form of coalition with SF? Whatever one’s view on McGuinness the fact remains that there are living relatives on this island of people who were murdered by the IRA – they remain hurt and in pain. McGuinness as president would surely be adding insult to injury. I think the memories of those in SF are just a little to short or selective. Gay Byrne’s recent comments were, in my view, spot on.

    • Jules says:

      @15……………in my opinion, you are wrong. No studies to back up your wild pronouncements?
      We choose to believe the facts that we choose to believe. I am drawn towards this report:

      http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Sodomy/child_abuse.htm

    • RPE McCarthy says:

      @ 20: I am not sure what part of my response you consider to be without validation.

      It is a widely reported fact that Norris’ former partner went to prison and served a custodial sentence for statutory rape of a minor. Child abuse by any definition.

      Maybe you are more of an old testament kind of guy or girl but our justice system support the principles of rehabilitation. Once somebody has served their time, their debt to society has been paid.

      You can have your view of course but if you think you are in a position to start pointing the finger you should start writing your own sins down first before you start throwing stones at others.

      Secondly, it is a fact that over the last three years there have forty separate investigations into allegations (historical and more recent) of child sex abuse. The HSE alone in Dublin processes almost 10,000 interventions every year in conjunction with Gardaí, NGOs, youth organisations etc.

      That is proof that clerical abuse is a tiny but symbolically important minority of the instances of neglect and abuse that occur in this state.

    • RPE McCarthy says:

      @16 its very rude not to respond to somebody that has taken the time to respond to you. The least you could say Kynos is fair points RPE McCarthy, I think I’ll become a blueshirt afterall.

    • Kynos says:

      @17, I think you’re getting slightly mixed up there. deV executed IRA men, for levying war against this State; not for trying to hook up with Nazi Germany. Otherwise sure he’d have executed Frank Ryan. And Sean Russell would have been capering on the end of Mr Pierrepoint’s noose (deV did so like borrowing his weapons of death and destruction from his British paymasters didn’t he hmmm?)

      deV used the lot, torture, drumhead courts martial, sworn statements unsupported by evidence, all the stuff Bush and Cheney and the Zionist controlled US military-industrial-complex were pilloried for of late, to take his war to his former comrades in the IRA. They, on the other hand, used every means at their disposal (including planting large bombs in the city of Cork to murder ordinary Corkonians and shooting unarmed Guards in front gardens in Cork also) also. It was truly total war. But it wasn’t a war against the Nazis. deV didn’t excute men for trying to make common cause with them. Fact is, as he said himself if he’d only known at the start of the war who was going to win it would have made things much easier for him. Because of course he, and the Ireland he so ably represented, was and is a whore, who’ll roll over for whoever’s got the biggest gun and the fastest draw and the most money besides.

    • Kynos says:

      Nothing like a bit of science and religion all mixed up together to get us to where we want to believe eh Jules? Eppure si muove. http://www.scienceteecher.com/Miracle-Step-Cartoon-T-shirt.html

    • Philo.m says:

      How convenient. Election distraction before the budget. The Queen of U-turns agus Mar Dhea-vote-for-me propaganda, Joan Burton, will undoubtedly be exposed for the hypocrisy involved in her castigating of the reforms of the previous administration when the next budget lays its cards on the table (remember Mme Burton’s bleatings about FF “cancelling Christmas” !!); and it never ceases to amaze me that when Irish female politicians get elected to the Dáil, they suddenly go through a fashion-make-over metamorphosis (no doubt hugely expensive). Put a burka on it Joan………..and come back down to earth where people are in dire straits..!
      Will the Christmas Bonus for the unemployed be reinstated?
      Didn’t think so.
      Hypocrite coalition. Put Dana in the Áras and shut up.

    • Peter Barrins says:

      @15 – a plea for clemency does not imply an acceptance of the crime.

    • DXII says:

      If someone accuses me of being Irish I don’t take offence.

      So what are all the West Brits in the meeja so upset about?

      Shame? Guilt?

    • Kynos says:

      People accuse you of being Irish DXII? I wasn’t aware it had become a crime. You’re quite right not to take offence. People frequently assume (tho’ not accuse) me to be Irish too. But if to accuse be sufficient, what of the innocent?

    • Kynos says:

      As for your other points, RPE McCarthy; at least, these ones are fair:
      ” a country that had democratically voted in favour of the Treaty in 1920 ” – it is true to say that the General Election of 1922 (not 1920) amounted in effect to a referendum on the Treaty. Dirty tricks (such as Collins’ alleged breaking of the pact with deValera) aside, the result was, on the face of it, in favour of the Treaty. 58 pro-Treaty candidates elected; 35 anti-Treaty candidates elected. 35 others also.

      “I do not delight in the death of anyone and do not (in this day and age) typically support the death sentence” – it is the mark of a barbaric State that She does unto people, without passion, emotion, instincts or drives, what people do unto each other in surprisingly few cases in fact. All higher species seem to have an inbuilt resistance to killing members of their own species. Suppose it’s got something to do with our individual DNA not ”wanting” to harm other, similar DNA. Hardest job the officers on both sides in WW1 had was getting their men to actually aim AT the enemy, and not over their heads as most did instinctively. Both men and states have a legal personality; but in that, and insofar as States are, or should be, mere Leviathans comprised of the totality of individual citizens, they are not possessed of passions, emotions, drives, instincts. And being as they arrogate to themselves the sole right of violence; and thus must be seen as the most moral of entities if that arrogation is to have any justification, and their subscribing to international laws and so forth implies that also; States should not carry out execution against humans for they lack any justification or explanation for why humans occasionally (relatively speaking) carry out homicide upon each other.

      “during a time of war difficult choices have to be made and deV needed to send a message to his erstwhile comrades that the state would defend its honour, its legitimacy and its integrity with brutal vigour.” – deV’s former comrades were levying war or armed insurrection as you like against a State they saw as wholly illegitimate, wholly treasonous. And in that they were rejecting democracy. The State had a right of self-defence, and moreover back then the whole concept of human rights, international law; crimes against humanity, had not as such come into being. That was for Nuremberg and the Universal Declaration on Human Rights to bring into being, as it were. So deV might be said to have an excuse for his actions not given to his political heirs who so lately traduced Ireland’s and the UN’s laws against torture and subordinated to political and economic expedience the sworn duty of the enforcement agents of this State to uphold this State’s laws. And even though deV might have had those excuses, the decades of economic social and cultural desolation that followed upon his Total War against the IRA surely prove again the old military axiom that goes ”Though he win an hundred battles, the General who does not have the Tao is doomed to lose the War.”

    • Kynos a chara: you’re a strange mixture of wisdom, eruditon and complete and utter guff. Some would see you as an ideal candidate for President :-)

    • RPE McCarthy says:

      On the hangings in the Curragh: Martial law is a perfectly acceptable means of administering justice under the Geneva conventions in a time of war providing due process is followed. In each case of the 8 or 9 individuals that were hung, they received a military trial.

      This standard is permissible to this day. Our Special Criminal Court is impermissible and would actually render any verdict open to very real question in the ECHR. The ECHR has already found against the basis of its existence especially where it was being used post Veronica Guerin’s demise.

      On point 2 – the death penalty, we are agreed. However in a time of war, it is sometimes necessary.

      On your main point on the likes of Sean Russell. Russell died coming back from Germany, he may well have been killed. I failed to sufficiently clearly link the general liaison between elements of the mad republican fringe and Nazis and the general low grade guerilla activity that some segments of the IRA rabble maintained.

      In this day and age, the likes of the ICC’s response to the Lords Resistance Army in Uganda/Congo has shown that having a grievance does not mean that you have a legitimate struggle. I hold the view that once the people voted in 1920 to accept the Treaty and even more importantly once CnaG transtitioned power peacefully to FF that any questions about the legitimacy of the state were only held by people that disputed democracy itself. Not being an anarchist, I believe people like that should be crushed.

      Sinn Féin has been standing on a Marxist Leninist platform for a long time in a country whose constitution, statues, education and health systems and imbued with catholic orthodoxy (for ill in my opinion but it doesn’t change the fact). The people have consistently rejected Sinn Fein’s policies – official (the writing / speaking thing) and unofficial (the bombing / kneecapping thing).

      In fact, I am pretty sure when it comes to kangaroo courts, few people would know more about them that Sinn Féin and the alter egos.

    • Kynos says:

      Aww the nicest things you say Deaglán! If you know any of that ‘some’ tell them to seek help from a qualified professional immediately. Anyway. You have to be an Irish citizen to be President. And that I can never be accused of being. Not any more anyway.

    • Kynos says:

      Suppose in Ms Dana’s case my concerns would be similar though opposite to those I have in Mr McGuinness’s case. She’s very friendly with certain US Republican quarters who are of a publically ‘Christian’ pov. Although what invading innocent countries and murdering 1.4 million of their Peoples just so’s to steal their oil and give your Middle East proxy a launchpad for future attacks on Iraq has to do with Jesus I’m not sure. But I doubt the lovely Ms Dana would be too keen on the idea of shutting down the US Warbird Carrier and Aviatory Auschwitz Railway in light of her friends. Nor indeed could she as President nor any of them anyway. Nah suppose shouldn’t be commenting on the IR PResidenCy really don’t have a vote.

    • WHOREPORTS DELENDA EST! says:

      No point thinking about going into politics. Me a single issue guy.

    • Rory says:

      We West Brits north of the border are, generally, fairly broad-minded about such matters. If Mr McGuinness wishes to become President of the Republic of Ireland, then he has clearly moved far beyond his ‘I Ran Away’ days and is seeking to make a useful contribution to society. Moreover, should he choose to visit the United Kingdom in general or Northern Ireland in particular, Ulstermen would, no doubt extend to him the same courtesy they would extend to any foreign head of state.

    • LeoDublin says:

      I was shocked to see that Creature the other day, in Carlow, dismissing Norris like that. It was like a scene from a movie about the american civil rights movement from way back in the past. But what do you expect from FG?. They are doing everything to block Norris, as they know he will thrash them. The grabbing hands, grab all they can, all for themselves. But as soon as McGuinness entered the race, panic set in. Then suddenly Norris needed to be on that Ballot. They all scurried around him. “we want you, i wanted to vote for you, but i can’t get it back from SF”. Utter W**k. The polls balanced out again, and then Mickey D is in 2nd place, so maybe we don’t need Norris after all. The real problem here is that people are only hearing sensational media tripe. If i see “writing a letter for a man accused of raping a 15yo boy”, again, i will Vomit! FYI, yer man Ezra and the 15yo were in a consensual relationship. He wasn’t drugged and dragged down a lane! Get the facts right, and stop jumping on the Bandwagon of Stereotypes. Young people have sex!!! They always have, and always will, and its the time of life you want it to happen. We all did. First of all, Norris is not a Paedophile. Gay people are not paedophiles, and How Insulting to suggest such a thing. 80% of child abuse cases are carried out by Hetero married men. Fact! Norris did nothing wrong by writing a character reference for someone who he knew, but on headed paper. So what? As if nobody else in power ever did that? HE IS A HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVIST. THAT’S WHAT THEY DO. THEY DEFEND HUMAN BEINGS WHEN THEY ARE IN TROUBLE. Second of all, Norris was interviewed many years ago by ‘whoever’ and he was talking about himself, and when he was young he would liked to have met an older man. It was his own personal fantasy/need. He was not saying that he wanted to be with a younger man. He meant when he was young himself. Hetero guys know they like women when they are 10 right? Gay people think the very same. They are born Gay. They don’t get inspired to be Gay, like Christian fundamentalists would have you believe! Its alright for hetero guys to score with an older woman when they are 15. They would get a good old GAA slap on the back for it. A nudge and a wink for sure. Then join the ‘royal order of hibernia’ (Vomit) like step-ford husbands, and end up in FF or FG. The children of Nepotism, and we voted that lot out, only to be replaced with an even bigger bunch of them. It is actually refreshing to hear someone like Norris actually be honest in interviews, and open, and his comments about the Greeks and their philosophies is simply Good Dinner Conversation. It doesn’t mean that he wanted to line up a load of teenagers. He was discussing the Greeks, and thinking about his needs when he was young. Indeed most people might prefer to discuss who Cheryl Cole is dating or if Jedward won the Eurovision, but thankfully there is people out there, like Norris, and Stephen Fry, who are so intellectual, and discuss anything worthy or interesting, but get ridiculed by Average wannabees in the year 2011? Its Outrageous! He has been treated terribly in recent weeks, and its all so obvious that the main parties will go to any secret lengths to derail Norris. Awful and very embarrassing. I truly hope Norris Wins, and if he were to become President, i would be once again a proud Irishman, and not mortified every time i switch on the news. The very best of Luck David Norris, and thank you for the decades of Activism for Worldwide Human Rights, Equality, Gay rights, and for the Brilliant Mind. Michael D is a Legend, and is Similar to Norris, but maybe lacking in Passion? Mary is a bit too HR for my liking. The way she went around the country devouring all the Council votes says it all really. She is the workplace backstabber, only out for herself, behind the mandatory smile. Dana, sweet and lovely, but stick to the singing. Gallagher? Would be like electing your Boss! Mitchell? No thanks, there is enough FG’s in Power, which is enough to send anyone over the edge! McGuinness? Maybe in 20 years. The appetite for all and sundry to read the Norris letters is somewhat perverse really. I reckon many think there is detailed porn inside them or something equally Stereotypical, as they Clutch at Straws to get even a whisker of something to drag him down with. It would be Massive PR for Ireland if Norris became to worlds 1st openly gay president. It would be seen as very Progressive, and in line with European principles and values. He is a Champion of Equality, and let’s not forget, it’s not that long ago, when Women were not allowed in Pubs. Let’s push things forward, and not around in circles. It’s the year 2011, not the 1950′s.

    • Kynos says:

      @ 33 there should have read ”and give your Middle East proxy a launchpad for future attacks on Iran”.

    • Kynos says:

      And if SF are not unused to kangaroo courts, I think I’ve demonstrated that neither are their political descendants, clones, antagonists, whatever, in FG and FF either. But those latter two were eventually persuaded by the force of History and the impact of events to consider the rule of law rather than of men to be superior. Not always, not even to this day, but sometimes. And for that I suppose we must be grateful. Small mercies and all that. Worse things happen at sea as I say every day these days just watching the telly and reading the paper. And somewhere deep down in my DNA I hear the bicycle bombs and the u-boat propellors start to whir again.


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