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  • irishtimes.com - Posted: May 14, 2011 @ 2:39 pm

    Salmond in the Pink

    Deaglán de Bréadún

    An event took place last week that could have major implications for this island of ours. I refer to the virtual landslide secured by the Scots nationalists in the Holyrood elections.

    If Alex Salmond proceeds to a referendum for Independence, which seems highly likely, and wins it, which cannot be ruled out, then serious rumblings will begin in Northern Ireland.

    It all might seem like fantasy at this stage – much as the prophecies of Morgan Kelly were sneered at in the past – but this is a development that needs to be taken more seriously in political discussion.

    For a start, I recommend the following “take” on the issue: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/10/time-for-scottish-independence

    • a.commenter says:

      That is a dreadful pun…!
      Alex Salmond has already stated that there will be a referendum within the term of the current Parliament…He’s a canny Scot…and as your colleague has said in a previous post timing is everythin in Politics..
      Ironically the decider may well be the loss of the Barnett formula…
      Dave as in Cameron… an uncannily Scots sounding name… has already stated that he will vigorously resist any attempt to sever the Union…but in the absence of strong counter proposals his sabre rattling (I know) may a case of hope… as in none and Bob…
      After Iain Duncan Milibands performance in the AV fiasco the chances of the Labour Party putting up any sort of
      fight would be like Timmy Mallett taking on Mike Tyson in boxing…
      Severance will probably mean the decimation of the Labour Party…given the West Lothian question…
      I apologise if all this has already been said in the link I haven’t read it…
      Perhaps the Celtic Nations could form form an Alliance…now there’s a thought….

    • a.commenter says:

      Ironically the quickest way to secure Scots and NIrish Independence would be a referendum south of the border…
      The English electorate really resent the amount they are expected to pay to prop up the Scotland and NI particularly NI…(I’m laid up with some lergi today and I’ve finished my book so I’m reduced to blogging…)

    • a.commenter says:

      In an attempt to forge a connection between Eurovision (I’m not a fan although I did attend when UK were hosts…my sister worked on it) I suppose the nearest equivalent would be ‘Edvid’ as in Ed/vid Milibland (sic)…NO?…OK!
      AND…if that wasn’t enough…in an attempt to forge a connection between that brilliant (ahem) idea and this post When Scotland obtains it’s FREEDOM (full Wiiiam Wallace roar please)…it can enter in it’s own right…or second thoughts maybe not…!
      I may just be delerious…it’s the antibiotix…well that’s my excuse…! Back to the sofa…so good!

    • Desmond FitzGerald says:

      If there is a yes vote in a Scottish referendum (and we don’t know what the actual question will be yet) independence will then need to be discussed on a nitty gritty level – ie what share of the UK national debt goes to Scotland, the Army, the civil service, the BBC etc and who knows how long that will take so it could be another 10 years before it was all done and dusted.

      As for Ireland, as a 30something to be honest the ‘North’ means nothing to me. As a history and politics PhD student, I also don’t buy into the romantic myth that the island of Ireland was ever one homogenous unit – even before we invited the English over. I find it very hard to take seriously the type of person who wallows in glorifying anything to do with 1916 or what it led to – Anglo Irish War to Civil War to Fianna Fáil, The Catholic Church and decades of corruption (I heard some old man from some 1916-1922 Committee or something nearly foaming at the mouth on RTE this morning against the UK Queen’s visit – this man has nothing to offer the Ireland of today and the issues we face now and I despair at what it’s going to take for Irish people to grow up and accept their own mistakes and stop always lookiing for someone else to blame like the British or now the EU/IMF or bankers).

      Fact of the matter is, we already had Home Rule in 1914 and all things considered would have evolved into Canada or Oz but without the thousands of lost lives and in time we’d probably have declared a Republic anyway like India or South Africa but in true Irish style we were given control of our affairs in the 20s and messed it up then and a few more times since.

      Also, if nationalists in the North think the majority of people in the South are going to vote Yes to a referendum to unite the two different parts of the island I suspect they are in for a very rude awakening and unity cannot take place unless both sides vote yes.

      So I wouldn’t get too worried about what will happen in Ireland, no matter what way things work out in Scotland.

    • a.commenter says:

      Actually perhaps the Miller boyband brand is more Dedward than Edvid…Thank God that campfest ios over…who watches that Eurocrap apart from Gay men of course…today I am mostly feeling slightly better…

    • a.commenter says:

      What exactly is the point of this visit…?
      If the baked bean and bubble want to go walk about let them pass their dotage visiting their subjects somewhere a little less provocative where they may actually have some relevance…i.e.one of the 53 countries of the Commonwealth… in case her stuttering father ommitted to mention it Ireland ain’t one and has not been one since 1949…She is also on record for having expressed her dislike of the Irish….
      Not only is she going to attend some of the most sacred sites of Irish history she is bringing her own armed guards…. the significance of armed British police on the streets of Dublin…streets that have been closed to the indigenous Irish people cannot but resonate with anyone but a moron in a hurry…!

    • robespierre says:

      It will be interesting to see whether or not the Scots go for it. It makes sense for them to retain the monarchy with Balmorral, the Black watch and other long ties to the crown. It will be interesting to see how Scotland tries to tackle its welfare dependency culture. We are no strangers to it ourselves and there is still too little incentive for too many people on welfare to get a job / look for work.

      The Scots will need to confront serious problems should they take control of their own affairs fully. For instance, how will they frame the foreign policy, their defence policy etc. What about skegness, the naval bases and air bases. The Scots should be able to attract investment – Edinburgh and Stirling are beautiful places. Inverness isn’t bad. Aberdeen and Glasgow a tad grim. Fort William a bit of a dive. Dundee not up to much.

      Ultimately, independence is an expression of self-confidence. Given the tendency to look for the lead in any silver lining, one wonders whether the Scots will believe in themselves enough to go for it.

    • a.commenter says:

      Can I recommend for anyone ‘not young enough to think they know everything’…and who still has an interest in their history/culture…BBC2 series ‘Ireland’…first of Fergal Keane’s five programmes broadcast tonite…
      Wonderful can’t wait for next instalment…unfortunately Beeb don’t have the repeat delay otherwise I would watch it again…and guess what…he seemed to be quite unapologetic about being ‘Irish’…!

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