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  • Sources of the Self – Chpt 8

    March 25, 2010 @ 11:58 pm | by Bryan

    Sources of the Self - Charles Taylor

    This was another interesting read. I was most struck by Taylor’s suggestion that Descartes’ philosophical innovation led to a change in the social organisation of that time. I heard quite a few academics question whether what they do really makes a difference in the long run. The same question applies to musicians, filmmakers, writers and anyone else who puts ideas forward to the rest of society. Granted few of us will be the Descartes’ of our time, but it’s still encouraging to note that ideas can fundamentally change the structure of society.

    My favourite passage this week:

    We could say that rationality is no longer defined substantively, in terms of the order of being, but rather procedurally, in terms of the standards by which we construct orders in science and life. For Plato, to be rational we have to be right about the order of things. For Descartes rationality means thinking according to certain canons. The judgement now turns on properties of the activity of thinking rather than on the substantive beliefs which come from it.

    …Rationality is now an internal property of subjective thinking, rather than consisting of in its vision of reality. In making this shift Descartes is articulating what has become the standard modern view…

    …for Descartes the whole point of the reflexive turn is to achieve a quite self-sufficient certainty. What I get in the cogito, and in each successive step in the chain of clear and distinct perceptions, is just this kind of certainty, of which I generate for myself by following the right method. This power to give ourselves the certainty we seek seems to have been the key insight in Descartes’s decisive moment of inspiration… (pp. 156-7).

  • Sources of the Self – Chpt 7

    March 18, 2010 @ 10:51 pm | by Bryan

    Sources of the Self

    For Augustine as for Plato, the vision of cosmic order is the vision of reason, and for both the good for humans involves their seeing and loving this order. And similarly, for both what stands in the way is the human absorption with the sensible, with the mere external manifestations of the higher reality. The soul must be swivelled around; it has to change the direction of its attention/desire. For the whole moral condition of the soul depends ultimately on what it attends to and loves. “Everyone becomes like what he loves. Dost thou love the earth? Thou shalt be earth. Dost thou love God? then I say, thou shalt be God” (p. 128).

    I enjoyed reading this chapter. Part of it was to do with a longstanding fascination with St Augustine. But more than anything else, I find myself drawn more and more towards the idea that we become the thing we fix our gaze on, or as Taylor tells us Augustine proposed, we become the thing we love. It’s an idea that I think reality endorses. It’s hard to argue that the love of material possessions has literally turned society into a collection of units of consumption. Margaret Thatcher, it turns out, was a prophet and there really is, in a sense, no such thing as society. She probably just realised long before most that the object of our affection – whether we choose to call ourselves out and out capitalists, Marxists, or something in between – is ‘stuff’.

    Augustine says we become what we love. Were he alive today, he might he to add to the quotation above, “Dost thou love ‘stuff’?” And if we all gave a collective nod of the head? He could, for consistency’s sake respond with something along the lines of “Thou shalt be ‘stuff’,” or, “Though shalt treat each other like ‘stuff’”. But having watched John Hillcoat’s adaptation of Cormac McCarthy’s novel recently, I would suggest that, “Go and watch The Road to see what thou shalt become,” would be a more appropriate response.

    I haven’t read the novel yet, but I can believe Peter Bradshaw’s claim that Hillcoat’s one fault was in trying to tone down McCarthy’s vision of a post-apocalypse world. I also agree with Bradshaw that The Road is one of those “What if this really happened?”/”This is really going to happen,” apocalyptic films. And while, in order not to scare everyone away, the film attempts to show that humanity isn’t all bad and that there’s hope, I think McCathy’s major contribution is to give us a glimpse of the end result of loving stuff above all else.

    If Taylor has given a faithful account of Augustine’s thinking, and if we really do become what we love, then McCarthy’s work of fiction ceases to look that fictitious. In fact, McCarthy begins to look at least as much a prophet as Thatcher.

  • Sources of the Self – Chpt 6

    March 11, 2010 @ 8:00 pm | by Bryan

    Sources of the Self - Charles Taylor

    Plato’s Self-Mastery

    I found this week’s reading a little boring to be honest. Learning about Plato’s outlook was good, but because Taylor has said that he wants to trace the development of this outlook to Augustine and then Descartes, I suppose it’s understandable that I felt as though the story didn’t move.

    That said, here’s my favourite quotation:

    …partly deriving from [the] tradition of Christian resistance to Greek philosophy, our modern age has seen a number of rebellions against the moral philosophy of reason. From some Romantics in one way, from Nietzsche in another, down to the Frankfurt school which borrowed from both, the notion has been developed that rational hegemony, rational control, may stifle, desiccate, repress us; that rational self-mastery may be self-domination or enslavement. There is a ‘dialectic of Enlightenment’, in which reason, which promises to be a liberating force, turns into its opposite. We stand in need of liberation from reason.

  • Sources of the Self – Chpt 5

    March 5, 2010 @ 11:15 am | by Bryan

    Sources of the Self - Charles Taylor

    Moral Topography

    What we are constantly losing from sight … is that being a self is inseparable from existing in a space of moral issues, to do with identity and how one ought to be. It is being able to find one’s standpoint in this space, being able to occupy, to be a perspective in it. (p. 112).

    This is a very short chapter, but a brilliant introduction into the book’s next section. I’m blown away by Taylor’s understanding of what it means to be an individual. Individual probably isn’t the right word. Judging from the preceding chapters, I suspect he would say that others are so important for our being who and what we are that the term ‘individual’ is inappropriate. Hence the use of the slightly unusual term, ‘self’.

    I can’t wait to see how he understands difference. It’s clear that he believes standpoint is primarily the result of history, and that he is trying to trace the development of the modern Western standpoint all the way back to the ancient Greeks. But what about others? What about Asians, Africans and others who don’t descend from that tradition?

    The really difficult thing is distinguishing the human universals from the historical constellations and not eliding the second into the first so that our particular way seems somehow inescapable for humans as such, as we are always tempted to do (p. 112).

  • Sources of the Self – Chpt 4

    February 25, 2010 @ 11:35 pm | by Bryan

    Sources of the Self

    Moral Sources

    This week’s was definitely my favourite reading so far. It felt as though sticking with Taylor is really starting to pay off as I understand much more of what he was trying to express. He makes to main claims in this chapter: whether or not we admit it, whether we claim that all moral positions are equally valid or that none are, we all hold to some conception of ‘the good’; furthermore, that conception of ‘the good’, is what determines our view of ‘the self’, as well as of what society aught to be.Taylor states, for example, the following:

    The point of view from which we might constate that all orders are equally arbitrary, in particular that all moral views are equally so, is just not available to us humans. It is a form of self-delusion to think that we do not speak from a moral orientation which we take to be right. This is a condition of being a functioning self, not a metaphysical view we can put on or off. So the meta-construal of the the neo-Nietzschean philosopher – ‘in holding my moral position , I am imposing (or collaborating in the imposition of) a regime of truth on the chaos, and so does everyone’ – is just as impossible as the meta-construal of the empiricist – ‘in holding my moral position, I am projecting values onto a neutral world of facts, and so does everyone’. Both are incompatible with the way we cannot but understand ourselves in the actual practices which constitute holding that position: our deliberations, our serious assessments of ourselves and others. They are not construals you could actually make of your life while living it (p. 99).

    Also:

    …our visions of the good are tied up with our understandings of the self … We have a sense of who we are through our sense of where we stand to the good. But this will also mean … that radically different senses of what the good is go along with quite different notions of the self. To trace the development of our modern visions of the good, which are in some respects unprecedented in human culture, is also to follow the evolution of unprecedented new understandings of agency and selfhood (p. 105).

    So far, so good. I think Taylor’s definitely onto something. But this work is centred on the making of the modern Westerner’s identity. I’m looking forward to seeing whether or not he tries to universalise his ideas, and if so, how he justifies expanding a philosophy which he sees as being rooted in European history to peoples who are not of European lineage or cultural descent.

  • Sources of the Self – Chpt 3

    February 18, 2010 @ 9:18 pm | by Bryan

    Sources of the Self - Ethics of Inarticulacy

    Ethics of Inarticulacy

    This was another heavy reading, and the fact that it was almost 40 pages long didn’t help matters. Again though, I found the chapter to be incredibly thought-provoking, even if I struggled to synthesise all the ideas put forward by Taylor. But before tackling this week’s text, I’d like to address a question from last week:

    …what worries me about this is the hint of determinism and the possible lack of freedom. If I am a product of my environment or community why put me in jail for killing the local postman. After all I am a product of my environment…

    …what exactly does the forest monk add to his “self” or identity after 30 years of meditation. I mean if he is merely reploughing his upbringing in a community whats the point. Where is the added value of his contemplation? Can he fundamentally change his identity by contemplation?

    …One other question. I like this phrase “the self in moral space” heading this thread. Does Taylor define “moral space”? I would like to see that definition.

    I think those questions are a good place to start because I’m finding it hard ti maintain a sense of continuity between the chapters, which are obviously meant to build upon each other. In chapter 2, Taylor defines moral space as ‘a space in which questions arise about what is good or bad, what is worth doing and what not, what has meaning and importance for you and what is trivial and secondary‘ (p. 28). He goes on to say that this space is not the creation of individuals, but is formed by communities. In fact, in chapter 3 Taylor is at pains to stress that the moral realm isn’t neutral, a blank canvas waiting for people to turn it into whatever they please, but something that takes place as members of a community interact.

    The questions above also come to the fore in this week’s reading. On the one hand, Taylor seems to be determined to stress the role of communities, and yet there is something almost individualistic about the way he presents communities. He devotes most of the chapter to the idea that there is something flawed with a procedural view of morality as opposed to a substantive one. The procedural one is the sort that is dominant today, where provided your thinking is sound, you get to define to a large degree your own view of ‘the good life’ and morality within the bounds of that good life. In fact, the different views moderns have of the good life generally isn’t articulated. But because we inhabit a moral space that we create in common, there’s an internal contradiction to our views of morality. Taylor, I think, feels the sensible thing rather is to communally come up with a vision of the good life then morally ground ourselves in that.

    That said, communities (very broadly defined I suppose) are culturally different and so would have different views of the good life. I’m not sure about this, but if I read him correctly, he seems at this point to be happy to accept that it is impossible for someone from a community that prioritises equality as its greatest good to understand a practice like FGM.

    The quotation of the week:
    Our qualitative distinctions, as definitions of the good, rather offer reasons in this sense, that articulating what underlies our ethical choices, leanings, intuitions. It is setting out just what I have a dim grasp of when I see that A is right, or Xis wrong, or Y is valuable and worth preserving, and the like. It is to articulate the moral point of our actions. That is why it is so different from the external reason. I can only convince you by my description of the good if I speak for you, either by articulating what underlies your existing moral intuitions or perhaps by my description moving you to the point of making it your own. And that is why it cannot be assimilated to giving a basic reason (p. 77).

  • Sources of the Self – Chpt 2

    February 11, 2010 @ 7:54 pm | by Bryan

    The Self in Moral Space

    I struggled with this week’s reading, The Self in Moral Space. It’s a heavy chapter in the sense that there are a lot of ideas crammed in there, all of which demand that you take some time and mull over them. And even after I’ve done that, I’ve found it difficult to synthesise the various ideas. It’s a little like being able to make out the different colours on a canvas while failing to step back far enough to see the whole image.

    That said, what struck me most was:

    To know who I am is a species of knowing where I stand. My identity is defined by the commitments and identifications which provide the frame or horizon within which I can try to determine from case to case what is good, or valuable, or what ought to be done, or what I endorse or oppose. In other words, it is the horizon within which I am capable of taking a stand (p. 27).

    … I can only learn what anger, love, anxiety, the aspiration to wholeness, etc., are through my and others’ experience of these being objects for us, in some common space. This is the truth behind Wittgenstein’s dictum that agreement in meanings involves agreement in judgements. Later, I may innovate … But the innovation can only take place from the base in our common language (pp. 35-6).

    And finally,

    …in order to make minimal sense of our lives, in order to have an identity, we need an orientation to the good … this sense of the good has to be woven into my understanding of my life as an unfolding story … we grasp our lives in a narrative … In order to have a sense of who we are, we have to have a notion of how we have become, and of where we are going (p. 47).

    I think Taylor brilliantly threads the idea that the formation of one’s identity is a communal process. That being the case, our personal goals, our moral frameworks, where our society is headed – all these things are intertwined if I have read him correctly. If I have, I agree completely.

    What did you make of this chapter.

  • Thursday Book Club: Sources of the Self (Chpt 1)

    February 4, 2010 @ 10:06 am | by Bryan

    Sources of the Self

    Inescapable Frameworks

    This is a tough book to read. Having only looked at the preface and chapter 1, I know I’m only going to understand bits of this book, not the whole thing. But having read little chunks of Taylor’s work elsewhere, I think the thing to do is not to try to ‘get it’ all, but to dwell on those bits that do make sense. Another thing is that in the other works by Taylor that I’ve read, he starts of slowly, and it’s tempting to give up on him early, but he generally seems to reward those who stick it out.

    So, any thoughts on chapter 1, Inescapable Frameworks?

  • Thursday Book Club

    January 28, 2010 @ 11:03 pm | by Bryan

    Sources of the Self

    I’m curious to know how many people have bought the book and have started reading it. Any initial thoughts?

    We’ll discuss chapter 1 next week.

  • Thursday Book Club

    January 21, 2010 @ 4:42 pm | by Bryan

    Sources of the Self

    This is still just a reminder. We’ll be discussing chapter 1 of Charles Taylor’s Sources of the Self: The Making of the Modern Identity on Thursday, 4 February.

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