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  • irishtimes.com - Posted: July 12, 2010 @ 10:01 am

    Oxegen 2010 – the post-match analysis

    Jim Carroll

    In some ways, OTR wrote most of the post-match analysis for Oxegen 2010 a year ago. Back then, we were predicting that Oxegen 2010 would be a pop and Irish affair. It’s good to know that OTR has readers in Dun Laoghaire.

    As the dust settles (OK, mud hardens) on Punchestown, it’s the likes of Jay-Z, Black Eyed Peas, David Guetta, Eminem and Fatboy Slim who will dominate the rave reports. Just as was becoming clear 12 months ago, Oxegen is now most firmly a festival where pop is the favourite soundtrack. The Irish bands also got a fair rattle – Two Door Cinema Club, The Coronas, Villagers, Bell X1, Republic Of Loose (who were excellent on Friday evening) – but the omission of a dedicated tent for the Irish acts was another sign that Oxegen was on a bit of a cost-cutting diet. Those cuts were noticable in places – tents so near to oneanother that sound spills were inevitable – as the lack of a sell-out meant money had to be saved here or shaved off the bill there.

    Unasked for advice for Oxegen: don’t bother spending big money in the future on marquee acts like Arcade Fire. The dampest squib on a wet day in Co Kildare, Arcade Fire pulled a tiny crowd for a band costing as much as they probably did, as the vast bulk of the Oxegen clan left the main stage area after Jay-Z (one of the best sets I’ve ever seen at any festival) to go check out Guetta or the Fatboy. Oxegen is about instant highs, teenage kicks and big pop choruses. It is not about someone playing a hurdy-gurdy (unless that wind-up hurdy-gurdy is manned by a penguin and is blasting out “The Fields of Athenry”). I would reckon Arcade Fire on the bill meant about 2,000 day tickets at most, which probably didn’t even cover their fee. Just because a band are greedy enough to take the big cheque you’re dangling in front of them doesn’t mean they’ll work as last band of the night. Arcade Fire fans and Oxegen fans are two mutually exclusive groups. But don’t worry dude, those O2 shows later in the year (the ones OTR were talking about back in February) will still sell out.

    Elsewhere, though, there were plenty of reminders that lessons had been learned from last year. Gone were the luxury bookings like The Specials and Blur, bands who were never going to work at Oxegen, in favour of acts who actually are (a) popular and (b) known by the core audience like Mumford & Sons, Chipmunk, Example, 3OH!3 and Paolo Nutini. There was also none of the expensive aul’ guff on niche stages like the Dance Lean-To (no repeats of the Fever Ray SNAFU from last year, for instance, when you spent serious wonga and got a band who made the mad-out-of-it ravers who camp out in the Charlie McCreevy Memorial Hall run for the hills in fright) and very few of those keep-someone-happy bookings promoters are often forced into doing. There were also good spots on the bill for bands like The Temper Trap and Local Natives (who received good reactions too), bands who’ve been here a few times and are slowly building an audience in Ireland. It was a solid, attractive heavyweight bill, all told.

    However, I’m sure the organisers are scratching their heads and wondering why a bill like this, one honed to almost perfection to appeal to the core audience, just didn’t sell, even with a huge advertising campaign. There’s only one reason and that’s the ticket price. It’s just too high at a time when the recession is still gripping the nation, no matter what various economists say. The Kids who buy Oxegen tickets or who strongarm their folks into doing so for them just don’t have the spare cash right now. Like a Fianna Fail majority government, we won’t see the likes of an early sell-out for Oxegen for quite some time again.

    Bringing ticket prices down is the only way around this problem. Yes, I know, I can hear the wails from Park Road from here. The (quite justifiable) excuses about why ticket prices are so high in Ireland will be rolled out again such as costs, wages and the like. Oddly, though, MCD have not been pointing to the bleedin’ obvious reason for high ticket prices. High artist fees mean high ticket prices and the ticket price can only be slashed if those fees go down. Cut your ticket price and you’ll sell more tickets. Start your advertising campaign much earlier. Going mad with ads three weeks out is too late. As simple as that.

    Then again, there were no such problems with Oxegen’s sister festival T In the Park, which was sold out in advance yet again. But it’s interesting to do a quick compare and contrast between the two this year. Eight main stages at T versus six at Oxegen. A ton of Scottish bands on the bill at T versus a patchy enough Irish selection at Oxegen. A festival which maintained the same brand since the get-go (actually, since MCD were making money from an earlier generation of Irish music fans at Feile) versus a festival which has had a name-change and a location change in 10 years. Irn-Bru and kilts versus lads in GAA county jerseys and wellies. You get the idea.

    But comparing the pair only shows up the differences between the two. Oxegen is an Irish solution to an Irish problem. It’s a festival where the more unsophisticated stuff works best because we are, let’s face it, an unsophisticated race. Rather than having Win Butler and co learning how to play their new tunes in front of a fast dwindling audience, you’d have been better off with David Guetta or Tiesto or one of the Dutch lads called Armin or one of the Irish crew (John O’Callaghan, John Gibbons, Mark Kavanagh etc) up there playing records (like used to be the case with Fourth Dimension or Sound Crowd back in Thurles). Cheaper too. Give ‘em The Coronas (they’re like The Stunning or The Sawdoctors were to the Feile generation) and they’ll be happy. Cheese sells and we’re not talking brie or buffalo mozarella either. Galtee singles all the way, man.

    As for the mud, the rain and the drunken kids… we’re not even going to bother going there. Like every other rite-of-passage Irish festival which has gone before it, Oxegen is where The Kids go to get out of their tiny little heads on whatever they can lay their hands on and fair play to them. To hear people who came of age at Feile in equally murky circumstances fuming backstage all weekend about the state of The Kids out weekend was post-ironic in the extreme. Me, I just went to see Tinie Tempah rocking the house instead. Now, there’s someone to book this morning for a much bigger stage in 2011.

  • 52 Comments

    1.
    July 12, 2010
    10:17 am

    why did blur not work last year?, the place was packed and it was an amazing gig (2 1/2 hours).
    jay z should have headlined the main stage and arcade fire the 2nd stage.
    i think everyone is resigned to the weather for that weekend, oxegen=rain , t in the park sunny once again

    Comment by petee
    2.
    July 12, 2010
    10:19 am

    petee – nothing wrong with Blur’s set but the vast bulk of the Oxegen audience didn’t have a clue about them bar the big hits and they quickly got bored. What I remember most about that set was the amount of wandering off after three songs.

    And agreed, Arcade Fire should have been in a tent. Total anticlimax for them to headline. And it is forever destined to rain at Oxegen – the gods don’t like it. Look at this morning – lovely sunny day here in Dublin 3

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    3.
    July 12, 2010
    10:21 am

    Given the fee that they likely pocketed and the not quite an obvious fit for the bill status would Arcade Fire not be classed as one of those luxury bookings Jim? I thought they were excellent anyway, far better than they were in Paris earlier in the week.

    Agree on Jay Z though, he played a phenomenal set.

    This was my first Oxegen in about 4 years and it seems that the vibe has only got worse since I last went. Barring them booking someone that I really love again I shan’t be back. I’ll give them credit for one thing though, the Park & Ride system at goffs worked fantastically well but I’d be a little concerned about security there, the battery in my key is dying and I set off my car alarm twice trying to get into it without a second look from anyone.

    Comment by Ian
    4.
    July 12, 2010
    10:29 am

    Sounds like you hit the nail on the head there Jim. I usually day trip it for the weekend and this year was the first year i only did a single day trip on the Saturday due to the popped out of it lineup (interesting to hear Jay Z was good. I must give him a chance). Hot Chip & Kele were highlights for me. Did you manage to catch Tiniwaren? Probably the most random and unsuitable booking for a teenage fest on a wet Saturday afternoon. They must have been scratching their heads on why their agent grabbed the cheque. For the small group that was there though they gave them a good response and i enjoyed it thoroughly. The sun is shining today, Oxegen must be finished it’s proceedings.

    Comment by Mark Ryan
    5.
    July 12, 2010
    10:30 am

    Ian – to my mind, AF would have been a “luxury” booking. As u know, they also had offers on the table for EP – which they could have done on the back of Reading/Leeds – but they went for a big cheque to do Oxegen. Leaving the whole issue of how good or bad they were aside, you pay big money to an act like that so that they draw punters. I can’t see AF adding more than 2000 day tickets to the kitty – certainly, that was the smallest audience I’ve ever seen for a main stage headliner at Oxegen in all the years I’ve been there. They are just NOT known by the Oxegen faithful – they don’t have the big hits and they dont have the flashing lights and panto set-up of a band like Muse to compensate for that. Not the promoter’s fault, not the fans’ fault – just the band’s fault for going with the wrong festival for them

    As for the vibe getting worse, maybe you’re getting older? Oxegen is one of the least subtle ways of seeing a generation gap developing right in front of your eyes. It is what it is and that’s NEVER going to change.

    mark – didn’t get down on saturday but heard v good reports about Hot Chip, Kele and Tinariwen. Heard too that there were very few in to see Kele – more at Kasabian, which says it all.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    6.
    July 12, 2010
    10:37 am

    An “unsophisticated race” – upfront as usual Jim! So true though.

    Somebody somewhere in Ireland will find always find a way to f&ck up something good. Be it licensing, facilities, security ( or lack thereof) or as you mention price. We are still 25 years behind our neighbours.

    This kind of lowest common denominator “festival” has run it’s course though. If the Darkness can get 30k and the ‘Fire can only manage 5 then something is awry with the whole system from understanding of audience to booking to scheduling etc.

    Heard that despite the obvious it was a nonetheless a killer weekend.

    Comment by David Corway
    7.
    July 12, 2010
    10:37 am

    i do remember the specials gig last year, i seemd to remember thinking it was like being at the battle of the somme :) also interesting to see that arcade fire were not booked to play t in the park . my money is on them to headline EP 2011 when they will have an album everyone will have heard to promote. it was similar to MGMT leaving the studio to play EP last year

    Comment by petee
    8.
    July 12, 2010
    10:42 am

    petee – also interesting to see that arcade fire were not booked to play t in the park I thought that was strange too – maybe it has to do with their impending Reading/Leeds’ dates? Remember, the same promoter – Denis Desmond – has an interest in all of these fests – T, Oxegen and Reading/Leeds

    David – Heard that despite the obvious it was a nonetheless a killer weekend. exactly – I dont tend to go about the rain or mud because that’s the bleedin’ obvious innit? Was only there on Friday in the end but enjoyed Memoryhouse and Black Keys, really liked Vampire Weekend, Tinie Tempah and Republic of Loose and LOVED jay-z.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    9.
    July 12, 2010
    10:43 am

    Good piece Mr C. Nice balanced tone which can be lost in other positive/negative articles and opinions.

    From what I can tell, it is a festival that is still growing and being tweaked. I’m sure it must be difficult to radically rethink the tone, line up and general vibe without getting investors nervous. I wasn’t down at Ox this year but (aside from the glaring errors i.e. Arcade Fire) heard fairly complimentary reports.

    I think the Irish stage would be a great platform for talent but I wonder if the fear is that there might be no guarantee that an exclusively irish stage will be what the audience are looking for – I know a lot of people who are well grounded on their music but are oblivious to the irish scene. Just no interest.

    Playing devil’s advocate, I’m wondering if there’s a reluctance from Irish acts to be separated from the International pack. There can be a certain stigma of being only seen as ‘an irish act’. Also bigger audience on other stages could be the route to potentially more sales?

    Quick question re the ticket price. What would people consider a reasonable price to pay? This years’ camping weekender was approx €220-€240 (?). Do we think that at €150-€180 folks would be more inclined to make the trek? Equally is it possible that a cheaper ticket might bring a wonkier demographic to an already tense mix of kids and old fogies?

    Comment by James D
    10.
    July 12, 2010
    10:57 am

    Anyone know whether the stages/entertainment in the campsite got much of a crowd?

    Comment by K
    11.
    July 12, 2010
    10:59 am

    ‘Oxegen is one of the least subtle ways of seeing a generation gap developing right in front of your eyes. It is what it is and that’s NEVER going to change.’

    a lot of reports lay emphasis on the youth of the crowd, and i think it’s missing the point of what people are talking about when they refer to ‘bad vibes’. It’s not how young the crowd is, it’’s how much of a scumbag element attends there every year. i wish more of the media would pick up on that.

    Comment by daniel
    12.
    July 12, 2010
    11:00 am

    Nail on head Jim.

    Arcade Fire have really showed themselves to be money grabbing fools. Opting for the big cheque rather than the big performance. Tossers. ;)

    I camped last year and the kids were grand. If you’re 17 or so, Oxegen is great craic. It’s no different to what went before it. The fact is, there’s remarkably very little crime at the festival given than you have so many unsupervised teenagers.

    They want big moments all weekend long and I can see why Fatboy Slim and Guetta would be more tempting than watching a shoe gazing performance by AF. They go for the big crowd moments.

    I thought Blur’s performance last year was disappointing because of the crowd. At Glastonbury they were epic but Oxegen, people got bored very quickly.

    I did wonder why T in the Park sold out compared to Oxegen. I think it’s partly down to population. It’s a viable option for anyone in the UK. The prices are similar.

    Comment by nerraw
    13.
    July 12, 2010
    11:03 am

    Went for a day trip on Sunday. Decided last minute to go. Your right jim to not even bother mentioning the mess the kids were in but this comes from the fact that you are not allowed to bring drink into the arena. They neck there plastic bottle of mixed fruity vodka , go in and then teh legs go.
    Anyway, the music. Decided to watch some of D12. First band i saw. They were ok. Plenty of sweraing but my first impressions were that the sound was terrible from that Vodafone stage. Then went to see we are Sceintists who were very good & ver loud. Was forced to watch some of the very bland Bell X1 set. Same thing for Paulo Nutini. Again, the sound was terrible for these two. Took a chance on The Courteeners who IMO were very good. Had never seen them before but i was mildly impressed-small crowd at them though. Saw 5 minutes of a disinterested looking faithless. Then 30 mins of Ocean colour scene who had a good gig going with good sound – a seasoned festival band. Then I wnadered down to what I was most looking forward to.- Julian Casablancas. He came on late and so his set was cut short but he was brilliant and loud while there. Played some of his very solo stff nd a couple of the strokes tnes to a small but appreciative audience.He has a big backing band also and 2 drum kits on stage! Pretty cool.Hope he comes solo again . Then I saw a few minutes of prodigy. Sound again was terrible and all I could hear was eminem and so I said I may as well just go to eminem. Then When I was there for some reason all I coulkd hear was the Prodigy ! Eminem seemed to be doing ok but I left for the last part of Mumford and Sons who drew a massive crowd. The tent was hopping and the sound was very good.
    So overall It was pretty ok. The sound in the tents was the best . Im sure the indoor concerts for the winter will all have been decided on from who drew crowds. I guess you can expect Florence in town again. Also from what i saw yesterday, Expect big indoor shows for Mumford & Paulo Nutini

    Comment by Patrick
    14.
    July 12, 2010
    11:10 am

    Not the promoter’s fault, not the fans’ fault – just the band’s fault for going with the wrong festival for them

    Surely it’s as much the promoter’s fault? If we’re talking about ticket prices etc etc then you’d have to look at the bands that just didn’t fit in at oxegen, brought in very little punters and in the end added to the ticket price? If MCD threw money at Arcade Fire to play Oxegen would you blame the band for thinking they MUST be a draw at that festival?

    Went on Saturday and Tiniwaren and Dirty Projectors fitted the description above. Tiny crowds and a ‘we really shouldn’t be here vibe’. Wouldn’t go again to be honest. It was my first Oxegen. Having been to all the Witnesses I’d missed the reincarnations through combinations of travelling and a stomach bug in ‘06 that, judging by my friends’ experiences, was a blessing in disguise given what happened to them while camping. No one I know has had interest in going since.

    As you say Jim, it’s a ‘rites-of-passage’ now, but as someone who was robbed, had mud thrown at him while eating and saw his sister get hit in the back of the head with a can of red bull I think I’ll stick to ‘music festivals’ from now on. I just hope that MCD have a rethink, go further down the ‘pop for the kids’ route and avoid making booking mistakes like AF, Dirty Projectors etc and leave them to festivals where they suit the bill.

    Comment by Joe
    15.
    July 12, 2010
    11:11 am

    james d – the “Irish stage” refers to the IMRO stage which used to be at Oxegen up to this year. It was where you’d a ton of newer Irish acts and it usually attracted a curious crowd. We Irish are very good at cheering our own, as we’ve seen down through the years, and I always felt that stage was a good idea. Yes, you have Irish acts thoughout the bill – Two Door Cinema Club, Bell X1 and Coronas on the main stage, for example – and they’re there because they’re popular not for any tokenism. Yet the Irish stage did bring a homegrown, newer element to the thing. Look at T In the Park – huge contingent of Scottish acts there.

    K – haven’t a rashers about that, sorry

    daniel – problem there is that if you have media going on about “scumbags” in the audience is that one man’s scumbag is another man’s lovely, wouldn’t hurt a fly little Johnny. And just because someone is weating a Tyrone GAA top, swigging from a bottle of vodka and singing “ole ole ole” doesn’t make him a scumbag – he could be a future leading member of the Law Library for all we know

    nerraw – one of my mates was at T so I’m awaiting his reports with interest. T is supposed to be every bit as highly charged and mad-for-it as Oxegen but I think the age profile might be slightly higher.

    Patrick – interesting that you’re another one mentioning small crowds for a lot of the acts who were probably getting big fat fees this year like Casablancas. Maybe even more of a rethink for next year?

    joe – no, totally the band’s fault. They have played at EP (2005) and Oxegen (2007) before and know how each festival is pitched. They also have a UK-based agent who will know which one better suits the band’s potential audience. They took the cheque and I dont have an ounce of sympathy for them – apparently, they were pissed off afterwards at the small crowd for them. Like, what the hell did you expect, you bunch of money-grabbing Canucks?

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    16.
    July 12, 2010
    11:19 am

    Howd dirty projectors do? Manage to pull a fever ray sized crowd?Your comment…

    Comment by P B'dum
    17.
    July 12, 2010
    11:19 am

    It’s not how young the crowd is, it’’s how much of a scumbag element attends there every year. i wish more of the media would pick up on that.

    We were saying yesterday that we’d LOVE to read a review in a newspaper from a journalist who had to pay for his/her own ticket, forgo the plus VIP area and camp like a regular punter for the weekend.

    Instead we’ll read the generalities. “Revellers ignored the rain for Europe’s fave rock n’ roll weekend” etc etc. Much easier to give a positive review of a festival if you get shelter from the rain playing pool with the talent backstage rather than experience it like most people going.

    Comment by Joe
    18.
    July 12, 2010
    11:21 am

    Went there on Friday for the day. The weather is a given but lessons were learned from the 2007 muckfest and conditions have improved. The Park & Ride system worked very well. The bars seemed very strict this year with the ID searches which was a good thing.

    Darwin Deez was one of the most entertaining acts of the day. Vampire Weekend worked really well on the main stage despite the downpours. Chose Groove Armada over Jay Z so went against the kidz, thought the armada were great and really are suited to the festivals. The attendance for Arcade Fire was probably the smallest I’ve ever seen at the main stage for that hour. Walking back to the Hotpress stage for Cashier No 9 there was no one past the sound stage. This area was busy all day even for acts early in the day. Joe Echo also played a great set in the Hotpress tent. Numbers were down on previous years but thats a mixture of everything mentioned previously.

    There was an absence this year of a few acts (Verve, REM, The Who, Blur, Nine Inch Nails, Janes Addiction) that usually bring my age group, am 37. Not really interested in Black Eyed Peas, Eminem etc. I know the acts that play are the biggest selling/downloaded so hence the Chipmunk & Calvin Harris. Then again at Feile we had Simply Red & The Shamen headline so its all swings and roundabouts…..

    Comment by Southbhoy
    19.
    July 12, 2010
    11:21 am

    RE: T In The Park

    See this?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/12/t-in-park-festival-attempted-murder

    Heard reports of a fatality there on Friday night also.

    Comment by theharro
    20.
    July 12, 2010
    11:26 am

    ‘And just because someone is weating a Tyrone GAA top, swigging from a bottle of vodka and singing “ole ole ole” doesn’t make him a scumbag – he could be a future leading member of the Law Library for all we know’

    not what i’m talking about! i’m talking about people’s possessions being robbed, or people threatening to stab each other and so on.

    Comment by daniel
    21.
    July 12, 2010
    11:28 am

    Joe – I’d love to read that piece too but I reckon it would be moan-central because working journalists are NOT the target audience at Oxegen. I know a couple of Irish Times journalists who have camped at Oxegen in the last few years and survived.

    As for the “positive” reviews, you’re right – it’s all generalities and the VIPs who were there stuff (thin on the ground this year, my tabloid friends tell me). But this is what the bulk of Irish newspaper commissioning editors want to read and thus commission. Don’t blame the players, blame the game.

    That said, some of the “players” can be blamed – especially those who stuck to drinking and moaning and playing crazy golf in the “VIP” area. I lost count of the number of media and Irish music scene folks I came across fuming about the rain, the mud, the kids, the madness, the hassle getting to Punchestown, the fact that the security people didn’t smile etc – they really didnt want to be there at all but had to be because it was work or a story which had to be covered because of the numbers in attendance. If they had their way, they wouldn’t be within an ass’s roar of Co KIldare. It’s worth it for that alone, that discomfort factor for people who work in the Irish music biz, for Oxegen to keep on trucking

    daniel – those are incidents which need to be reported to the cops not to the media – and there was €3m spent on that side of things this year between personnel and security cameras so there’s no excuse for not reporting it.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    22.
    July 12, 2010
    11:37 am

    ‘those are incidents which need to be reported to the cops not to the media – and there was €3m spent on that side of things this year between personnel and security cameras so there’s no excuse for not reporting it.’

    agreed, but in terms of contextualising why a lot of people don’t want to go to the hassle of attending the festival, it’s important to point out that people in general have no problem with youth or fun, it’s the anti-social elements that are the main factor. i remember reading the LastFm page after last year’s festival, and it was very illustrative of why there are such bad vibes around the festival.

    Comment by daniel
    23.
    July 12, 2010
    11:41 am

    I find journalists/PR types to be the most annoying demographic at festivals, nevermind hte scumbags.

    ‘ Have you been backstage yet?’
    ‘No, I was just watching Flaming Lips.’
    ‘Oh you should totally go. Backstage is amazing, it has seats and it’s own bar. Hold on, I’m just going to tweet my view of the backstage and tell everyone where the real party is at.’

    I’m convinced if you filled a tent with just a black white portable tv playing repeats of Live at 3 and put ‘VIP/Media only’ sign, it’d be packed all weekend.

    Comment by nerraw
    24.
    July 12, 2010
    11:46 am

    nerraw – I’m convinced if you filled a tent with just a black white portable tv playing repeats of Live at 3 and put ‘VIP/Media only’ sign, it’d be packed all weekend.

    I think Justin has just noted that one in his little notebook for next year

    daniel – I would wager that there are many who say no to Oxegen who sadly don’t really differentiate between “youth or fun” and “antisocial elements”. Yes, there was an antisocial element at Punchestown, but there was also an antisocial element at Croker yesterday. It happens.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    25.
    July 12, 2010
    11:47 am

    I went down on Friday and Saturday, very impressed by the park and ride system at Goffs. Efficient and problem-free both days for me and my friends.
    Loved Republic of Loose on Friday, the singer’s lost a lot of weight and was swigging water rather than beer. He seemed to be enjoying it and his attempts to get the crowd going were fun, “Come on, we’re doing our best!”. Headed over to the main stage during Stereophonics and I wasn’t impressed, then Jay Z stole the show. We were wet, tired and ready to go home then so we didn’t stay for Arcade Fire (glad about that after seeing/hearing people’s comments).
    On Saturday we got down there at approx 5pm, just had a wander then hit the main stage for Florence and the Machine, the sound was terrible. we were near enough to the stage but the music was blown away before it reached us. Caught a bit of La Roux (fun and under a roof!) then about 20 mins of Dizzee on the main stage, the sound was noticeably beefier. Checked out Doves at the second stage later on, there was hardly anybody there, credit to them though, they didn’t phone it in and gave it socks. Muse were good fun at the end of it.
    Overall, it was enjoyable enough, my expectations were low, I ate well before going down both days so I didn’t eat down there, driving to and from made a huge difference and I wore plenty of layers. Criticism wise – as has been mentioned, I thought the stages were definitely too close to each other and there was the odd bit of trouble (not as bad as I’ve heard about in the past though. Did anybody see the big gingerish guy decking someone during Florence and the Machine btw? He just walked off and the other guy was eventually carried away.

    Comment by RH
    26.
    July 12, 2010
    11:51 am

    I can join in on that scumbag or whatever you might call it argument…had my wallet stolen, and had to return to Dublin on Friday night because I’d no hope of eating anything or paying for the bus home the other nights etc. Its dispiriting to say the least. I don’t like the whole ’scumbag’ argument, there are nice and nasty people of all walks of life etc, but there was a very obvious class of person around me at JZ when my particular wallet went missing, but I mean what are you going to do about it. I had it as well hid as possible and it still went missing. The gardai can’t do much, and no pumping of money into security will change it..

    i missed Arcade fire and all because I spent ages looking for a gard to listen to my sorry story!!

    Republic of Loose were fantastic, JZ was unreal but after chatting to a friend who saw him in the Marquee in Cork a few years back he played an almost identical set by all acounts – same tricks of using a bit of U2 etc.

    I wonder whether Arcade Fire would have been a resounding or at least a bit of a success if it was amazing weather for the weekend. JZ can get a crowd jumping in the rain because its all energy, but Arcade Fire needs a certain vibe IMHO?

    Comment by Stone Throwing Youths
    27.
    July 12, 2010
    12:03 pm

    Not surprised there was a low-turnout for Arcade Fire. I expressed surprise here last week that Arcade Fire were going on after Jay Z. How the promoters or ANYONE involved with ”Europe’s Favourite Rock n roll weekend” didn’t see this as a bad decision is quite baffling as it shows a kind of scheduling ignorance and a worrying lack of foresight. Jay Z is a natural mainstage headliner, not a bunch of overrated, shouty Canadians with a hurdy-gurdy whose star is rapidly waning.

    And yes, we are an unsophisticated race. Just look at the scenes in Croke Park yesterday!!!!

    Btw, Tortoise were utterly brilliant in Whelans Saturday night. Now that’s sophistication.

    Comment by Quint
    28.
    July 12, 2010
    12:05 pm

    I’m struggling to comprehend that Fatboy Sim and Guetta were the draws when his own gig at Marlay Park didn’t sell out whatsoever.
    On another note, for years of attending Oxegen/Witnness and T In The Park – unless you have to, stay away from the Main Stage, sound is always woeful and it’s full of the people who aren’t there for the music. Stick to the smaller stages and tents and you’re sorted…

    Comment by Chris
    29.
    July 12, 2010
    12:10 pm

    Its just the way it is. The younger crowd just aint interested in Julian Casablancas. They want Paolo Nutini etc etc. I dont know why MCD are at this poaching tactic from Electric picnic. Theer are bands at oxegen who would go down a treat at EP. As RH said @25 doves suffered this problem also. Oxegens biggest problem is that it suffers from an identity crisis. Electric Picnics is a financial crisis. A headline set at oxegen was no place for Arcade fire to rehearse their new album.l

    Comment by Patrick
    30.
    July 12, 2010
    12:13 pm

    a mate of mine works at t in the park (and numerous other festivals) every year and describes it as THE worst festival in europe from a crowd behaviour point of view

    hard to believe but apparently the scots are even rowdier than us when there’s drink arounnd

    Comment by tim tonic
    31.
    July 12, 2010
    12:15 pm

    Disappointed in Arcade Fire, hopefully lessons will be learned..

    Jim – any details about the Iveagh Gardens gigs later this week? Are they going to be in a marquee?

    Comment by Colmahhhh
    32.
    July 12, 2010
    12:20 pm

    STY – very sorry to hear about that, dude.

    Yeah, Jay-Z has been playing the same set more or less since Glastonbury 2008 – I hadn’t seen him before, though, so thought it was amazing.

    Colmahhhh – just checked – Iveagh Gardens is an outdoor show (ie no marquee)

    tim – I think your mate needs to do Oxegen to make a proper comparison.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    33.
    July 12, 2010
    12:20 pm

    “I’m struggling to comprehend that Fatboy Sim and Guetta were the draws when his own gig at Marlay Park didn’t sell out whatsoever.”
    One historically poular, one currently ver popular, right acts for that time of night,
    the gig in Marlay was a v expensive ticket

    Comment by OC
    34.
    July 12, 2010
    12:24 pm

    @ 28 – Stick to the smaller stages and tents and you’re sorted…

    that’s always been my policy. main stage s are almost always out in the open so any bit of wind blows the sound all over the shop :(

    Comment by tim tonic
    35.
    July 12, 2010
    12:56 pm

    Patrick @ 29

    Spot on regarding identity/financial crises at Oxegen and EP.

    Comment by David Corway
    36.
    July 12, 2010
    1:05 pm

    went down yesterday with my freebie in hand….glad I didn’t pay for a ticket as the overall lineup was the weakest yesterday….Earth Wind and Fire were alot of fun and had people dancing in their wellies but I reckon about 60% of the audience there had no idea who they were and were waiting for Newton Faulkner who should have been in a tent, it’s too big a void for one man and his guitar to fill.

    The rest of my day was spent paying for over priced drinks in propaganda tent and waiting around for Broken Social Scene…got their about 30mins before there set and compared to FATM last year there was feck all people in the red bull tent….they put on an absolute blinder of a show though and made up for the rest of the day…worth the trip and the hangover..

    next year my friends and I shall be going to mainland Europe for a festival…I’m over Oxegen.

    Comment by caroline
    37.
    July 12, 2010
    1:15 pm

    Tim @ 30 and Jim @ 32

    T In The Park seems in a different league of thugs and scumbags if this is to be believed…

    http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/51993

    Comment by James D
    38.
    July 12, 2010
    1:27 pm

    As for the vibe getting worse, maybe you’re getting older?

    Perhaps but I mostly mean the attitude of people in the pit, I arrived midway through the worst band in the world’s set to get a decent spot for Jay & AF and it was just nasty in there, I was concerned that either something was going to kick off or someone would get hurt otherwise. I’ve no issue with people getting drunk or high and having some stupid fun but there was an agressive tone to it.

    also interesting to see that arcade fire were not booked to play t in the park .

    Leeds/Reading wrote a big fuck off cheque to get them as a UK festival exclusive.

    Comment by Ian
    39.
    July 12, 2010
    1:46 pm

    Not the promoter’s fault, not the fans’ fault – just the band’s fault for going with the wrong festival for them

    Joe@ 15: “Surely it’s as much the promoter’s fault? If we’re talking about ticket prices etc etc then you’d have to look at the bands that just didn’t fit in at oxegen, brought in very little punters and in the end added to the ticket price? If MCD threw money at Arcade Fire to play Oxegen would you blame the band for thinking they MUST be a draw at that festival?”

    I’d tend to agree with that. I can certainly see where Jim’s coming from with his hardcore ‘Blame the band’ stance, but I think the promoter has to take at least *some* responsibility for throwing a massive wad of cash at an ill-suited headline band. It’s not like Arcade Fire phoned up the promoter going “Hey, we really really want to play Oxegen!” Er, probably

    Jim@32: “I think your mate needs to do Oxegen to make a proper comparison.”

    I’ve done both! Lucky me. They’re more-or-less equally rough. T In The Park might just shade it

    Comment by Neill
    40.
    July 12, 2010
    1:55 pm

    Never going again….Full of absolute scumbags, one fella in particular trashed my tent, myself and my girlfriend had to go home, but I kept an eye on him, followed him and then ripped of the 2 wing mirrors on his car on the way out…..I was dragged down to his level, but the chap effectively ruined mine and my girlfriends whole weekend….

    Comment by dave Grealy
    41.
    July 12, 2010
    1:55 pm

    protip: when trying to unravel the workings of an MCD lineup, check who books each act on the bill.. can you say LAZY?

    Comment by meagain
    42.
    July 12, 2010
    2:14 pm

    ha yeah, with a set like that JZ can keeep repeting for ever, adding in whatever current number one he colaberates on that particular year and still get my vote. I really hope long term the rappers that try to encorporate live musicians in their show and really give it a go like JZ and even Snoop are the ones who are remembered best. What was eminem like on that note?

    I guess its down to recording budget and habbits, but I’d be interested to see someone like JZ who has the resources to really go for it with an organic hip hop album..brass, live drums the works. I understand his last album has elements, but they never really stray from a certain template with production…

    Comment by Stone Throwing Youths
    43.
    July 12, 2010
    2:46 pm

    spent saturday at oxegen – saw some good performances from Muse, Hot Chip, Dirty Projectors, La Roux, Doves among others.

    1 thing i picked up on was that the “mad fer it” young tykes intent on partying til they drop were not as numerous as previous years.

    It was probably down to the crap weather, but the amount of grumbling and low-level pissed off-ness I encountered was noticable. And the scale went from grumbling to full on aggression, for whatever reason.

    Anyways, myself and the girlfriend enjoyed it while it lasted, but jeez were we glad to be going home to dry out that night!

    Comment by milo
    44.
    July 12, 2010
    3:22 pm

    I wouldn’t know one AF song if it rained down and hit me on the head! But they seem a right greedy little shower so good enough for them and i hope their 02 show gets moved to the academy 2!

    Comment by gaa
    45.
    July 12, 2010
    3:25 pm

    Iwas there Friday and Saturday. I went on Friday specifically to see Arcade fire. I was up close to the stage and didnt notice there were not many people behind me but I guess I was in a world of my own! Hope to see them in the 02 later this year. Other highlights for me were Hot Chip, Wild Beasts, Goldfrapp and Kele.

    Comment by al70
    46.
    July 12, 2010
    4:48 pm

    Boy am I glad that I decided to give that weekend a miss. For the same money I would have spent at pOx, I got to London last weekend for four days and caught Laura Marling, LCD Soundsystem, 2manyDJs, UNKLE, Darwin Deez, The Big Pink and Foals. I’m quite positive I made the right decision

    Comment by johnnyf_03
    47.
    July 13, 2010
    1:01 am

    For all those quibbling about Oxegen, may I suggest Pukkelpop?

    One of the best organised large-scale events I have been to. Free travel on the train all over Belgium to five min walk outside the camping area. It is five minute walk from town, the weather is always great in late August and the dance area is about three or four stages and is kind of cut off from the rest of the stages with ‘proper’ music. The four main music stages kind of alternate times too so they usually clear out leaving the die hard fans to wait up the front.

    I guess it is important for me to say i do not work for Pukkelpop. But went last year based on friend’s recommendations of previous two years. A massive line up that will please everyone and they have a specialist world beer bar.

    Would definitely go this year if I could afford it. But for the cost of an oxegen ticket, you could get a great holiday in Belgium and an actual ORGANISED music festival. I wish oxegen would take note.

    Disappointed to hear about how bad Arcade Fire were, but we did foresee all this last Thursday. Oh how I wish there was at least one music fan up there in MCD towers.
    And Jim, the thing that went through my mind almost immediately when you said next year will be even more pop, is that means someone like kesha playing. My heart hurts….

    Comment by Eoghan
    48.
    July 13, 2010
    9:45 am

    ‘And Jim, the thing that went through my mind almost immediately when you said next year will be even more pop, is that means someone like kesha playing. My heart hurts….’

    It’d be better surely, if this were to happen, if they just went down that route & were done wtih it. As someone said, Oxegen are having an identity crisis. If they stuck to the popular acts and left the Arcade Fire’s and (last year’s) Fever Ray’s for Electric Picnic then I think it would be easier for people to choose which festival to go to. There’d be none of this ‘will i? won’t i?’ about going to Oxegen or feeling like it’s a chore to go just because there’s a band you want to see playing there.
    It’d please the majority of the Oxegen going crowd aswell….I wonder would it bring down the costs overall aswell? Although i’d imagine the Black Eyed Peas would cost a fair whack so maybe not…

    Comment by Cath
    49.
    July 13, 2010
    12:03 pm

    4th time at Oxegen and for the 4th time my only complaints are the weather and some very painful timetable clashes. I had an awesome weekend as usual. There were a bunch of canadians with us this year and i was surprised to see how desensitized i’d become to the sights of oxegen from looking at their shocked reactions! They acclimatised quite quickly though. Thats the thing about Oxegen, you just have to get on with it, look after your friends and have the best time possible.

    The quality of the music was yet again fantastic. Seeing Jay Z and Arcade Fire back to back will never be forgotten. Jay Z didnt put a foot wrong in a set full of hits and he clearly enjoyed himself as much as the fans. It went from euphoria to a reverence when AF came onstage to a small but intensely loyal crowd (for the most part). I enjoyed hearing the new songs as i’ve listened to their 2 albums to death but the guy behind me clearly didnt. “Release the f-ing album and then play the new songs!” The emphasis on Funeral was nice.

    Dirty Projectors, Yeasayer and Hot Chip were saturdays highlights. Hot Chip were surprisingly good live.I didnt think they’d be able to recreate their songs with as much bouncy energy live. Yeasayer played to a hugely enthusiastic crowd. The singles from Odd Blood even trumped 2080 and Sunrise. Dirty Projectors were fun. Its fascinating watching Bitte Orca come to life.

    Drinking in the sunday sun meant i regrettably missed the middle east and local natives but i caught a bit of jamie lidell who really puts on a show. I was in awe of Broken Social Scene. Possibly the tightest band i’ve ever seen. They didnt waste a single second. The small crowd didnt phase them. They played like they were headlining. A great selection of songs old and new. The best band at Oxegen. Wasnt too bothered with anyone after so just did a mini tour of the headliners. Prodigy, Mumford and Sons (the new frames??), and caught Eminem’s encore.

    Definitely be at Oxegen again next year for at least a day if im in the country.

    Comment by Vincent
    50.
    July 13, 2010
    5:17 pm

    I find the media emphasis on ‘The Kids’ at Oxegen somewhat surprising and an inaccurate description of what the festival is all about for people who haven’t been to it.
    This was my fifth Oxegen, and each time I would say the majority of fans there were in their 20s and 30s, not ‘teenagers.’ Photographers however always seem to focus their lenses on happy, healthy teenies, usually with no booze in sight, and certainly no evidence of them being ‘out of their tiny little heads on whatever they can lay their hands on.’
    It would be interesting to know the real age profile of people attending Oxegen, but the whole ‘Kids’ festival thing doesn’t wash with me.

    Comment by Simon
    51.
    July 13, 2010
    5:24 pm

    Simon – I have been at three of the last four Oxegens and I can tell you from my point of view and the pov of many others who actually leave the VIP/media area is that the attendance at Oxegen is predominately 17-25 year olds.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    52.
    July 14, 2010
    7:16 pm

    at least we now know why arcade fire did the gig, they are donating a million dollars to a haiti charity

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