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  • irishtimes.com - Posted: April 12, 2010 @ 9:39 am

    Show some love for your local record store (again)

    Jim Carroll

    Next Saturday (April 17) is Record Store Day and a bunch of indie record stores around the country will be hanging out the bunting for the occasion. You can expect in-store gigs, limited special-edition releases and probably some free lollipops too.

    Per the press release, the stores who’re taking part are All City, City Discs, Freebird Secret Book and Record Store, Road, Sound Cellar, Spindizzy, Tower (all Dublin); Zhivago (Galway), Heartbeat City (Kilkenny and Tullamore), Rollercoaster Music (Kilkenny), e2 Music (Mullingar and Navan), Bridge Stores (New Ross), Third Wave Music (Sligo) and BPM Records (Waterford). Up north, Derry’s Cool Discs and Belfast’s Good Vibrations are also taking part. You can check with the shops to find out what they’ve got planned.

    Yep, you’re right, there used to be a whole lot more record stores out there. Once upon a time, we didn’t need a Record Store Day to remind us of their existence because, well, there was nowhere else to go to acquire music. As we have seen again and again over the last few years, record shops have been disappearing from the streets more rapidly than money from the national piggy-bank. Both big chains and small stores have gone out of business, compiling a lengthy blame report as they headed for the hills. High rents, lack of city-centre footfall, changes in music consumption habits, inability to get younger music fans into the shops, the recession, competition from online sources, lack of money… hell, even the lack of a decent U2 album was even cited by some as a reason for the record stores’ demise. We’ll be waiting a long time if a decent U2 album is the fix for the retail sector’s woes.

    As someone who spent more years (and money) in record stores than I’d care to remember, the situation saddens me. Excellent record stores and equally fine people behind the counter provided me with my musical education. Tuned-in record shop clerks (yeah, they exist, shoulder to shoulder with the cranky sods who gave that profession a bad name) said that if I liked that record, I’d also like this record and usually, they were right. When I’d no cash in my pockets, I’d take a longer way to get to where I was going rather than walk past a store and not call in. I know from previous posts here that I’m not alone in a fondness for what record stores gave the world. It was – and still is, to be honest – an addiction.

    Yet even when you analyse the downturn in the sector, you find that the stores themselves should shoulder some of the blame. When they were the only game in town, too many bad shops thrived and cultivated such bad habits as overcharging customers and persisting in sloppy, often rude customer service. With the arrival of more competitive online stores and other ways to (legally or otherwise) acquire music, many music fans happily abandoned the bricks-and-mortar stores to their fate. Unfortunately, this meant bad times for some decent stores, which is why we’re reached today’s sorry pass.

    Like the record industry, the record stores have to realise that their past glory days are over and will not return. Accept it and move on. Purchasing habits for many music fans have changed and they are no longer be able to spend their lunch hour or Saturday morning traipsing from shop to shop. The Kids, the ones who are supposed to save us all, favour other means to acquire music. Indeed, the next time you’re in a record store, count how many in the store are under 30 or, even, under 40 years of age. As Olan O’Brien from All City Records remarked at a Banter discussion back in January, “running a record store is like running an angling shop these days: the customers are all middle-aged men”.

    Of course, we need more events like Record Store Day to highlight what a good record store can mean and bring to a community of music fans, but record stores need to realise that this must begin with them. The labels who see the importance of record stores are already onboard – aside from providing exclusive releases for Saturday, these labels have also significantly reduced dealer prices to the shops over the past 18 months – but it’s the shops themselves who have to take the initiative.

    Most importantly of all, they have to stress the future as well as the past. It’s all very well to wax nostalgic about what it was like back in the day, but this schtick really only appeals to those seeking to relive past experiences and doesn’t entice new customers to step up to the plate. It’s up to the shops to sell and position themselves as places of value to those music fans who don’t currently view stores as an important part of the infrastructure. That’s where the rebirth will begin – if there is to be one.

  • 40 Comments

    1.
    April 12, 2010
    10:45 am

    Excellent point regarding how many people you see in a shop that’s under 30. .

    I just can’t see the record store surviving much longer for that reason alone.

    It’s a similar situation to travel agencies who have all but disappeared due to people going online to book holidays. Like record stores, you’d get ‘experts’ on destinations etc, but people are no longer willing to pay for that expertise.

    Comment by nerraw
    2.
    April 12, 2010
    10:48 am

    so sad not to see plugd in cork not on the list….

    Comment by Eoghan
    3.
    April 12, 2010
    11:50 am

    Tricky one, isn’t it? Any independent record store really has to focus much more on what their business is outside of the sale of music and while it is saddening to see the reduction in those stores operating as going concerns (and for nostalgic reasons!) they really do need to be much more imaginative in what they can offer customers. I, for one, will be supporting Record Store Day and will be adding to my already heaving shelves of CDs and assorted music media. Initially i kind of shirked the digital download phenomenon but now i can easily whittle away an hour or two just exploring the huge amount of information out there and generally find that googling one artist leads me, much later, to tunes and performers that i’d never even heard of. What it does copper-fasten is that i will never, ever come close to hearing everything out there that i like!

    I’ve noticed that record stores seem to have less stock and it’s harder to find that under the radar artist that you want to check out. What i do enjoy is ordering something in-store and waiting for its arrival. Patience is the new pleasure considering the anticipation that swells over the waiting period!

    Apologies if this should be posted elsewhere but it’s certainly a contender for best-value music festival this year:

    http://www.seasessions.com/lineup.html

    Comment by Fergal
    4.
    April 12, 2010
    12:28 pm

    so sad not to see plugd in cork not on the list…

    Second biggest city in the country has no venue for the day this year.

    It’s quite depressing seeing all the special releases on the day and knowing that there isn’t a snowballs chance that they’ll be available here. Got the split Sonic Youth/Beck 7″ last year.

    Comment by Joe
    5.
    April 12, 2010
    12:37 pm

    nerraw – I noticed this a lot when I was in the US last month as well – just like so many areas of life (including, I know, reading and buying newspapers), the audience is growing old

    eoghan/joe – very sad on both counts. I can’t believe that there are no indie record shops in the second biggest city in the land – yet I also know that if there was a demand for one, the shop would be there

    fergal – I’ve also noticed the lack of deep catalogue in more and more shops. For instance, when I asked about it in Rough Trade in London last year, I was told I could get the title in question online, which is not really what I wanted to hear when I had the money there and then to buy the title. But again, commercial rents and terms of business with the labels dictate that the shops can’t keep the same level of back-catalogue – or width and depth of stock – as they used to have. Maybe we’re heading to a Pure Groove situation? This London shop carries about 50-100 titles in the shop, but the shop is also a gallery, venue and cafe. They also have a v good online store – http://puregroove.co.uk/

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    6.
    April 12, 2010
    1:03 pm

    Sorry to be pedantic, but isn’t the name of this holiday something of a self-fulfiling prophecy, ie, signalling the day (about 5 years from now) when there will only be one record store left?

    Comment by Ballsdotie
    7.
    April 12, 2010
    1:05 pm

    I always buy my lugworms from Olan.

    Comment by The Golden Maverick/Matt Vinyl
    8.
    April 12, 2010
    1:26 pm

    you can still pick up goodness from plugd from their discogs page- just got myself some gay as jaysus disco off them for a fine price. spent about half an hour swithering about whether to buy that copy of Galaxie 500’s “on fire” to replace my very noisy old copy.

    the discogs route does seem to be the common factor keeping many record shops afloat
    interesting article about it here: http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1166

    it’s also where the younger crew are getting their vinyl if they’re that way inclined.

    not to mind the poor culchies who in the past used to save up their communion/confirmation/farm labouring money up for bi-monthly trips into the local metropolis to stock up on goodies.
    one of the sad things about discogs is that it’s pretty much killed the art of digging, again, a pursuit of middle aged men but a pleasure nonetheless.

    i recently did a check on my online banking account to see how much I’d spent in my local record shop in the last year. terrifying. if it was drugs i was spending the money on I’d be pretty sure my son would be in care.

    Comment by clom
    9.
    April 12, 2010
    2:05 pm

    a lot of those releases listed on the RSD website will definitely be available in the Irish stores.

    On a related note, I cant understand how a large store like HMV Grafton St can’t stock vinyl anymore when so many singles and albums still get pressed on vinyl.

    Comment by OC
    10.
    April 12, 2010
    2:44 pm

    Is it me or is there a lack of online promotion of Record Store Day from what’s left of the Irish shops. I know most people who will turn up next Saturday will have heard of it while in the stores in the last few weeks etc, but there doesn’t seem to be a big push to win over new fans of the Record Store Day. I for example grew up in a small town, got my CD’s from HMV when I hit the city, new nothing of any independent stores and now in my early twenties am only just beginning to feel out some of these shops. I’ve probably only bought 10-20 things on vinyl in various shops over the last ffew years, but for someone stuck for cash thats not bad. Last year I read about the international angle of record store day, but hadn’t heard any spin from t he Irish stores, and just happened upon it in Dublin last year. There is a large cross section of people who aren’t in the loop and who these stores should be trying to pull in. As I say I’m only just starting to love going into these places, and believe it or not, haven’t ever really had a chat about something I was looking for etc. There’s lots of different levels to enjoy these things at and I think there are alot more people in Ireland today who don’t quite know it but would love the experience of shopping for new music in a new way.

    Just saw a great quote there from Nick Hornby on the Record Store day site:

    “Yes, yes, I know. It’s easier to download music, and probably cheaper. But what’s playing on your favorite download store when you walk into it? Nothing,
    that’s what. Who are you going to meet in there? Nobody. Where are the notice boards offering flatshares and vacant slots in bands destined for superstardom?
    Who’s going to tell you to stop listening to that and start listening to this? Go ahead and save yourself a couple of quid. The saving will cost you a career, a set of cool friends, musical taste and, eventually, your soul. Record stores can’t save your life. But they can give you a better one.”

    I haven’t made new friends, joined any new bands or anything of the sort since I’ve started visiting these places but I would, and even still, as Nick suggests it has enriched my life a tad.

    Comment by Stone Throwing Youths
    11.
    April 12, 2010
    2:54 pm

    Don’t get me started on HMV! They moved into Galway a few years ago with a vinyl section. They undercut the local record shop which had to close down. Once it was closed, HMV stopped selling vinyl. I was told that one of the big wigs said something along the lines of they want to sell the future and vinyl isn’t part of the future!

    Comment by Andy Ardonia
    12.
    April 12, 2010
    2:57 pm

    not to mind the poor culchies who in the past used to save up their communion/confirmation/farm labouring money up for bi-monthly trips into the local metropolis to stock up on goodies.

    Clom – I’m sure there are still some of us left!

    OC – strange indeed when many HMV shops in the UK do stock vinyl

    Stone Throwing Youths – funny you mention that – I was surprised last night when I was Googling the shops for websites that many of them have not updated/changed their websites in a while. It’s one thing to be complaining about lack of customers but it’s another when you’re not actually going after them in the places you know they are (ie online). Of course, some shops are better than others in this regard but it’s a good point.

    As regards Record Store Day, I’ve had a few press releases from labels about special releases for the day (and I’ll round them up tomorrow) but I think I’ve only had one press release or email from a record store about what they’re doing (Tower Records about instores on Saturday and during April). If those shops want to plug what they’re doing, they can feel free to use the comments field here. After all, more people will probably read this than will go into Irish record shops today!

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    13.
    April 12, 2010
    3:15 pm

    Seems like every time I go into my local record shop they don’t have what im looking for. Last time was the Laurence Arabia album, they’d never heard of it and didn’t bother to ask if I’d like it ordered (I wouldn’t anyway)

    Went to HMV and picked it up for €15.

    I want to support the little guy but he’s not making it easy!

    Comment by Peter81
    14.
    April 12, 2010
    3:18 pm

    @8 + 12
    Clom – I’m sure there are still some of us left!

    Hahaha had to laugh at your comment on the culchies coming up….I used to do the same myself…I started working when I was 16 down home and used to get the bus up to Dublin and get off on the quays and my first stop was always Freebird records….gem of a shop, then used to hightail it over to Temple Bar in search of goodies….

    Comment by caroline
    15.
    April 12, 2010
    3:56 pm

    Speaking as a culchie located in my yoof in the extremeties of the North-West, Sligo was my main port of call. I remember buying a lot of crap on cassette (sigh!) before i had my Paul on the road to Damascus moment with David Bowie’s Hunky Dory at 13 years of age. WIth the broadening of my palette i did the 1980s/90s version of illegal downloading and recorded a lot of stuff from the radio, exchanged mix-tapes with similarly inclined friends and generally always made a bee-line to the music store in whatever big city i was in when let off the leash (not an actual leash you will appreciate, culchies are not vicious, feral animals who need to be restrained in sophisticated society!). Lots of happy memories anyway of record shops and like and i still enjoy popping in just to browse. Admittedly i do have a low enough thresh-hold for crate digging. After about an hour (cumulative) i do tend to get a bit sick of looking and not listening.

    Interesting to read about Pure Groove, Jim. Perhaps the way forward for music stores is to set them up akin to the public library type of model. A place where you can actually hang out, grab a coffee, listen to whatever it is you’d like to buy (either digitally and get it there and then or on a format of your choice) and meet like-minded souls. Similarly, perhaps the old record store as we know it could expand its horizons and perhaps do a kind of Twisted Pepper set-up on it with speakers/workshops or something suitably scaled with media of interest to punters. As a music-lover i not only enjoy listening to it but reading about it, playing it and God knows anything to do with it. I think there’s a lot of scope out there to broaden things a little more. Whether this would be viable and if it could suceed of course is another thing. Anyway, just a thought.

    Comment by Fergal
    16.
    April 12, 2010
    4:02 pm

    Add me to that cuclhie-in-the-city list, going to Dublin involved Freebird, Tower and Road. Going to Galway with €20 meant Mulligan’s. They were great for actually having the cd you’d read about in magazines on the shelf. They had the White Stripes first two albums from Sympathy for the Record Industry before they blew up all silly in the NME. They’re now gone and though I don’t like to badmouth Zhivago, god help the culchies going into Galway now.

    Comment by Major Alfonso
    17.
    April 12, 2010
    4:05 pm

    11am: Dark Side Of The Rainbow
    Showing of the legendary ‘Wizard of Oz’ together with Pink Floyd’s ‘Dark Side of the Moon’. Does it really work?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Side_of_the_Rainbow

    12pm: Darragh J Glennon
    Local troubadour, Darragh, has already had a top ten download single in Ireland and is at e2 Music promoting both his tour of Ireland and new single ‘I’m On My Way’.

    12.30pm: Arrow in the Sky
    Mullingar’s own big hopes of sweet, soulful folk play e2 Music as part of their current national tour.
    EP number two is on the way…
    http://www.myspace.com/arrowinthesky

    1pm: D.A.R.Y.L.
    E2 Music’s own Daryl airs music from his own eclectic, electronic soundtracks for the first time publicly.
    http://www.myspace.com/monsieurmeuble

    2pm: Icon on Fire
    Icon On Fire’s unique brand of pop-punk finally reaches e2 after being produced by The Aftermath’s Mick Cronin.
    http://www.myspace.com/icononfire

    2.30pm: Joey & Sarah
    New acoustic duo featuring Joey of e2 Music, together with the sweet, soulful vocals of Sarah.

    3pm: The Aftermath
    The hardest working and friendliest band we know play songs from their upcoming sophomore album released later this year.
    http://www.myspace.com/theaftermathband

    4pm: Julie Feeney
    Composer, performer, arranger and singer and one-woman industry, Julie Feeney, has quite possibly made one of the Irish albums of the year. If you don’t know her now, you almost certainly will by the end of the year. Fresh from SXSW festival in Texas and single ‘Impossibly Beautiful’ featured in the current VHI advert, Julie plays songs from her second, more orchestral and compositional album, Pages. Not to be missed.
    http://www.myspace.com/juliefeeney

    5pm: DJ Keith Marshall
    Resident DJ from the sadly now defunct John Macs plays us out with eclectic goodness for your ears (and maybe feet…)

    Comment by e2 Music, Mullingar
    18.
    April 12, 2010
    4:12 pm

    Major @ 16 – Mulligans was one of the best record stores in the land. I well remember standing outside that place one morning in the pouring rain waiting for them to open because I’d half-an-hour to kill before I got the train back to Dublin. Fabulous selection of stuff across all genres, especially jazz.

    But sadly, this shows yet again that a lot of our record shop experiences have to do with stuff which occured in the past. Given how much has changed in how we consume music and how the shops have (or have not) responded to this, you have to wonder will there be an actual demand for shops in the future. Or are we heading to a situation as predicted by nerraw @ 1, that the stores will become akin to travel agents?

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    19.
    April 12, 2010
    4:33 pm

    i don’t know about anyone else but nothing says “romantic weekend away” to me like spending 4 or 5 hours in a sweltering european second hand shop digging through a load of manky jazz and funk records followed by a massive row with the missus before you go for dinner and hope she’ll shell out for it because you spent all your money on that miles davis album.

    you don’t get that kind of action on the internet wha?

    Comment by clom
    20.
    April 12, 2010
    4:47 pm

    May I ask a question…do alot of you readers here download music? Legally I mean…

    Bar some Lady Ga-Ga songs for my boyfriends sister 18th birthday I’ve never downloaded music illegally, and the only albums I’ve downloaded ever are two by Hey Rosetta (which I bought online)

    Am I still in the dark ages? I don’t get the idea of downloading music except you get it quicker than going to the shops for it obviously…personally I adore my CD collection and love adding to it (god help me in May…so many amazing releases)

    Comment by caroline
    21.
    April 12, 2010
    4:58 pm

    Yet another culchie vulture here. Comet used to have an annual sale with all releases going for a pound I think. Queues around the block there were.

    Comment by Brian
    22.
    April 12, 2010
    7:12 pm

    Record shops look like a dying business model.

    Unless they come up with something new it’s just a matter of time before they are all gone.

    Comment by Rhiannon
    23.
    April 12, 2010
    9:29 pm
    24.
    April 12, 2010
    10:30 pm

    well only people with taste actually buy vinyls now a days. so it’s no surprise that most of the people are older. The young person who hangs up their ipod or cds for some vinyls may be wise, but a rarity in today’s youth.

    Comment by tim
    25.
    April 13, 2010
    4:14 am

    Aside from downloading hurting record shops, the big supermarkets don’t help. They call it competition but there’s something blatantly anti-competitive about the likes of Tesco selling only the Top 40 and undercutting even HMV, which means the big income stuff isn’t being sold in the numbers required to subsidise a good library of stuff and employ knowlegeable staff.

    Book shops are neck and neck with record shops in the race to the grave

    Comment by dealga
    26.
    April 13, 2010
    7:59 am

    clom – you know and I know that you’re not alone with that one!

    caroline – i joined the downloading classes a few years ago. I’d no choice – in order to get my hands on new music which wouldn’t end up in the record stores for yonks, I had to do the download shuffle. I have an eMusic subscription (which is great), download MP3s from dozens of blogs every week and get loads of promo albums on download too. I do find myself still sometimes buying some of the albums on CD when I’m in a shop – I came back from the US with a dozen or so albums I’d already downloaded. There is still something about owning the physical product. The one area I’ve completely abandoned is vinyl – something had to give. There are times when I regret this – especially when I come across a beautiful piece of artwork on a sleeve – but portability and ease of use won out years ago (and there’s also the fact that I need the CDs to play on the radio – no record players at Phantom HQ).

    brian – those Comet sales were brilliant altogether. You wouldn’t get that kind of queue outside a record store now unless you had a Jedward instore

    Rhiannon – it sure feels like that

    tim – I’m sure there are plenty of younger folks who’ve got the vinyl bug. Depends on how you define “young”

    dealga – you can lay the rise of the supermarkets as music stores squarely at the doors of the major labels. When the supermarkets came to them looking for deals, they succumbled because short-term revenue trumped everything, even those relationships they had built up with record stores over the years. There are some labels who don’t deal with the supermarkets and more power to them. But then again, the supermarkets only want to deal with them when they have big releases – for example, they won’t be hitting Domino for the same number of Villagers album as they were after for Arctic Monkeys and Franz Ferdinand – and if the labels don’t deal with them directly, there are other companies who will fulfill the order.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    27.
    April 13, 2010
    9:45 am

    @26- Jim….damn you and your recommendations, just checked our emusic subscriptions..it’s extremely tempting…i might just jump on this downloading bandwagon after all

    I seem to be going backwards…after years of saying I was going to do it, I’ve just started my vinyl collection…it’s rather addictive.

    Comment by caroline
    28.
    April 13, 2010
    10:01 am

    Apologies for coming back in here late, but the downloading thing never appealed to me. I’ve loads of old music, probably only 1 or 2 gigs of newer stuff on mp3 in varying qualities, and have never downloaded it, just got it off friends, ripped friends CD’s etc. I then go out and buy whatever I truly love and want to support on vinyl, or sometimes might take a gamble on a band selling their vinyl with a free CD included at gigs. I’m tempted t o subscribe to some online service though, because the current system I used that I’ve described means I end up looking back. Florence and the Machine, Katie Kim, Josh Ritter (Histrocial Conquests), Lisa Hannagon and the Yeah yeah yeahs (show your bones) are the most recent things I have on regular rotation. I’d like to expose myself more to what’s hip these days but then again, maybe its a good system of quality control!

    Comment by Stone Throwing Youths
    29.
    April 13, 2010
    10:03 am

    Oh forgot to mention La Roux , jesus, what a pop album!!! how could I forget!!

    Comment by Stone Throwing Youths
    30.
    April 13, 2010
    10:05 am

    STY – I know for a fact that you’re not alone in doing that (ie going out and buying stuff direct from the act at gigs). It’s one way to square the circle – how to get the music you want now (download it) and then get the money to the act. However, as we can see, this had a detrimental effect on the record stores.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    31.
    April 13, 2010
    10:07 am

    I still remember the joy of having Stephen Tintin Duffy’s vinyl single ‘Unkiss That Kiss’ thrust into my hand after many months pestering my local record shop. It seems kinda cute looking back now but crikey has the internet made things easier for those of us who like to gorge on new stuff. Record shops had it too good for too long and I’m afraid have to a man (in Ireland at least) not moved with the times. It still baffles me that no one has come up with a listening post that allows you to top up your ipod via a usb connection instore. That way you keep the human interaction and the customer still walks away with your mp3s. Whatever You Want versus the Status Quo I’m afraid.

    Comment by mp3hugger
    32.
    April 13, 2010
    10:19 am

    http://www.emusic.com isn’t a bad old subscription service. Good introductory offer (ie free downloads), you can opt in or out whenever you want. They don’t do major label releases but there’s plenty on it to keep you more than satisfied. What you download is DRM either. Oh…and if you hook a friend you get a bonus 50 “credits”

    Comment by Fergal
    33.
    April 13, 2010
    10:55 am

    After about 6 months of furiously downloading loads of stuff illegally online in 2004/5 I returned to record buying with a vengeance- i wasn’t listening to the majority of stuff i was downloading, i wasn’t repeat listening to what i was listening and I wasn’t “feeling” a lot of what I was around. I do still download from unofficial sites, largely out of print or prohibitively expensive library or world music. the remainder I buy on vinyl. i’ll burn the odd CD and swap stuff on USB with mates.

    i don’t believe the format that i choose to listen music on signifies anything other than the type of consumer i am and offer a clue as to how the industry can make money from me.

    the notion that format (or, for that matter, the content of that format) demonstrates my taste, sophistication or otherwise is a fallacy.

    for anyone interested in building a record collection forget about buying the new stuff, second hand shops, auctions and your mam and dad’s attic is where you’ll find the stuff that will surprise you (and end up loving the most)

    not to mind freeing yourself from the depressingly identikit churn of contemporary online music promotion.

    Comment by clom
    34.
    April 13, 2010
    5:56 pm

    I thinks there’s still room for vinyl records out there. Years ago, we (Harpy O’ Guinness and the Beerdroids) released a limited single ‘Punk Rock Riot at the lammas fair’ and sold all 500 copies via the lammasfair.com website. People may have only listened to the free mp3 via a link provided with the single, but the feedback was invariably positive. The no budget video still gets hits on youtube. If you make a cool product (and ours was quite tepid to be honest), it will be appreciated.

    Comment by Harpy O'Guinness
    35.
    April 13, 2010
    6:01 pm

    @clom, good points. Having loads of music VS not listening propperly to anything in particular is a great point. I too am very warey of the online hyping up of bands etc, although its probably not much different from 10 years, but it does seem to be amplified in the blogging culture. I tend to give it 6 months and maybe then have a listen to what everyone was raving about. Personally a band like the XX were hyped way beyond their musical merrit, there’s a bit of cool in there for me, but otherwise I didn’t see substance and I think they’ll struggle to generate anything close to the same interest come album number 2. Doesn’t that kind of boomb and bust seem to be happening a bit more among albums hottly tipped in the blogging world??? Or is it my imagination.

    Also, just checking out emusic.com…not certain, can I get full albums, because if I can’t I’ve zero interest.

    http://www.bandcampc.com

    Is a fantastic model for independent artists. its flexable so that band’s can sell there stuff in multiple and more importantly, lossless formats, as well as doing cool stuff with physical merch, free downloads, pay what you like ala radiohead etc.

    Of course, there still is the matter of generating interest in the band so that people want to download the songs, but a site like bandcamp may begin to push people’s expectations of online music retailing upwards, and eventually people may start to realize what they were missing in the small indie store…

    Comment by Stone Throwing Youths
    36.
    April 13, 2010
    10:17 pm

    re: STY emusic query

    You definitely can get full albums.The only points worth noting are that some releases are “not available in your area” for reasons undiscernable but this seems to happen less often now than previously. Also, and something like the opposite of your query, there are certain tracks (over ten minutes long) that you can’t download individually unless you download the whole album.

    It’s good value if all you’re after is indie music which is it’s speciality. It’s a no-brainer if you pick up the odd jazz/classical/world album (prestige/riverside/ecm labels all there and well represented) which take up fewer of your download credits.

    Comment by brian
    37.
    April 14, 2010
    10:09 am

    Cheers for that Brian…I’ll have to have a think about it, the presence of good amounts of jazz and classical would push me in favour of splashing out on a subscription, but I’m still inclined to think I’d rather buy one LP a month rather than investing in something as perrishable and unfulfilling as an mp3. Thanks for the info though, I’m sure if I was less lazy I’d have figured half of that out over the next week or so!!

    Comment by Stone Throwing Youths
    38.
    April 14, 2010
    11:01 am

    Stone Throwing Youths mentioned Bandcamp above which I think it an excellent service – I’ve bought a couple of albums (downloads) directly from bands there like Mountain Man and Kid Meets Cougar in the last few weeks. It’s also really good for bands who want to give away free downloads – look at Cults, The Cast Of Cheers etc.

    As regards the “too much music” argument, I don’t buy that but then again, I wouldn’t, would I??? I much prefer a situation where I have too much music to listen to rather than the situation which used to prevail back when I was in A&R where it was much harder to get your hands on new stuff. I think what this means is that the act has to be ready – if you have stuff on MySpace or wherever, you have to be ultra-happy with it. If you’re not, just don’t put it out there – but remember that once it’s out there, anyone can and will hear it.

    Yes, I have more music than I could ever listen to – but that doesn’t mean you don’t recognise the good stuff when you hear it. Also I find that word of mouth recommendations and “the power of three” (when three different people mention a track or band to me, I go off and find out more about that act – last act to prove “the power of three” were The Middle East last summer) are very reliable filters in getting through the stack of new CDs/albums/acts. And I know it’s my job but like so many OTR readers, I’d be doing this anyway regardless!

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    39.
    April 14, 2010
    12:18 pm

    @STY(#35) and jim (#38) –

    STY – as a matter of curiosity (and that is all it is, i’m not carping at all), does the fact that their second album may struggle to get interest (or indeed, be good) potentially take away from their first album’s good points for you? a band is only good if it has a minimum of two good albums? i’m guess what i’m getting at – can an album stand alone, or does the fact that it gets hype detract from it?

    jim – i hear what you’re getting at about there being no such thing as having too much music, but personally, i definitely feel that i no longer give as much attention as i should to new music. that may be partially attributable to personal circumstances (9 month old child), but i think the proliferation of, and ease of access to, music has also played a large part. Case in point – cast of cheers. i downloaded it, gave it two, three listens, it didn’t grab to a huge extent, and i doubt i’ll go back to it again. i’ve moved onto new songs from blogs, and albums too. it’s entirely possible that without the new stuff, i’d have given it a few more listens, and i may have perhaps found something of note in it. Then again, i may not!

    Comment by ciaran
    40.
    April 14, 2010
    12:42 pm

    ciaran – you’ll never know! My rule of thumb is that if something doesn’t grab you on the first listen, if there’s not something there to make you go “hmmm”, move on. I’ve lost count of the time I’ve wasted listening to albums that I read were “growers” which didn’t do anything of the sort. Of course, I do sometimes go back to albums I’ve dismissed and discover I was wrong – last year’s Phoenix album which I revisited after seeing them live at Primavera – but that doesn’t happen as much to mistrust my inital feeling. I mean, I thought Radiohead were crap back in 1993 and nothing has convinced me otherwise to date!

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