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  • The great Monday morning re-up in 11 easy steps

    November 10, 2008 @ 8:11 am | by Jim Carroll

    (1) There was an impressive turn-out last Thursday for the NI Music: The Way Forward all-day yakaton at Belfast’s Whitla Hall organised by the Northern Irish Music Industry Commission. While the number of heavy-hitters on the panels (new UK Music boss Feargal Sharkey headed a line-up which included reps from Domino, South By Southwest, Kerrang, Bestival, Sony ATV Music, POD Concerts and others) certainly helped, it was still very encouraging to see a couple of hundred folks turning out on a weekday for a music business seminar in Ireland. I don’t think they were there to hear the BBC’s Stuart Bailie, AU magazine’s Jonny Tiernan and myself gush away for an hour about our favourite songs. Still, maybe they were. Any road, one of the best music biz gatherings I’ve been to in an age.

    (2) Some interesting takeaways from the label panel courtesy of Smalltown America boss Andrew Ferris. He outlined how the 26 week campaign for each release rolls, from initially contacting 300 bloggers about the track or album (he says there’s usually a 40 per cent take-up from the music blogosphere to host or write about each track) to eventual release. Ferris also noted that an 8 out of 10 NME review five years ago would mean 5,000 sales - in 2008, the same rating means about 700 sales.

    (3) I finally had a chance to check out Stuart Bailie’s Oh Yeah music centre in the middle of Belfast. At the moment, it has more potential than a new US president - a vast warehouse located a plectrum throw from the centre of town with a stage and oodles of space for rehearsal rooms, studios, a cafe, offices and everything else you could need to get your show on the road. As things stand, there’s lots going on and Stuart is open to any new ideas people want to throw at him. There’s some cash already in the kitty from various public funds but, as you would expect, more is needed. Maybe some of the £5 million earmarked for culture projects Up North can be sent to Gordon Street? (By the way, Stu’s excellent BBC blog is well worth checking out)

    (4) Who knew there was such an appetite for Fox hunting in Dublin? A full house for the second visit in 2008 of the Fleet Foxes to town and much anticipation in the air. The audience thankfully hushed for the songs and, while those of us who saw them at Whelan’s in June probably prefered that gig, it was stlll a swell showcase for what is one of the albums of the year. Sure, even Fleet Foxes super-fan Joe Duffy tapped his feet and clapped his hands in the right places. It will be a while before we see the band in these parts again - when this tour wraps up, the band plan to record a bunch of new songs (nine are ready for the studio) before they hit the road again and avail of increased pay-days.

    (5) Did you know that Barack Obama’s campaign provided a crash-course for country music yahoos in how to build and maintain an audience? You didn’t? Chet Flippo is the man with the pages from the playbook.

    (6) Eva Wiseman checks out the state of NME life in yesterday’s Observer Music Monthly. Apparently, some of the staff are worried about the second album from Crystal Castles. Also in yesterday’s OMM, the first of many pieces you’ll read in the coming months on Motown at 50.

    (7) We shall never their likes again, if we’re lucky. Goodbye Progressive Democrats, you will not be missed.

    (8) Are you ready for a rake of would-be Barry Obamos knocking on your front door in the next couple of months to seek your vote in the local elections? Here’s the Sunday Business Post guide to what you can expect. And here’s Andrew Rawnsley from the Observer on why such cut-and-pasting will not work: “It’s preposterous. David Cameron is not the British Obama just because they both like to use the word ‘change’ a lot. Gordon Brown, a long-serving incumbent whose oratory has rarely been described as magical, cannot be Obama either. Much of the point about Obama is that there is no other leader like him. Not here. Not in America. Not anywhere. Not in a generation and probably not for another. His singularity is why he won and why his victory is so sensational.

    (9) Bruuuuuuuuuce! New album due from Bruce Springsteen in January to tie in with that Superbowl appearance. More of that ol’ “Magic”? That will do nicely. And Bruce, please note that giving away a free download of the first song from the album with the Irish Times worked a treated last time round.

    (10) Vaaaaaan! Rave reviews for the “Astral Weeks” love-in in Los Angeles at the weekend from the Washington Post and LA Times. What’s the betting he’s going to spend 2009 doing “Astral Weeks” all over the place?

    (11) And finally, as the world learns that it was Bob the Builder who bashed Joe the Plumber, lets have some love round these parts for Lee Dorsey

  • 36 Comments »

    1.
    November 10, 2008
    10:26 am

    The Observer has gone downhill so dramatically and emphatically, it’s quite incredible.
    In the actual newspaper they had an Obama pull-out special, and one of the headlines was “Obama & Michelle: A Chicago love story” or something sickingly similar to that. What the fuck?
    Miranda Sawyer’s (who I quite like) interview with Russell Brand was awful and as for the OMM and the Take That feature……
    And I know we say it every Monday morning once a month but the album reviews get more and more pathetic.
    Kanye, Killers, Girls Aloud - all of the interesting albums get reviewed in the 50 words or less page.

    Comment by Pedro
    2.
    November 10, 2008
    11:39 am

    And I know we say it every Monday morning once a month but the album reviews get more and more pathetic.
    Kanye, Killers, Girls Aloud - all of the interesting albums get reviewed in the 50 words or less page.

    yeah but at least there were some non-5 out of 5 and 4 out of 5 reviews this month for the first time in ages.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    3.
    November 10, 2008
    11:45 am

    Fleet Foxes was a great show … if you could see.

    First time I’ve gotten standing tickets in years and was astounded by the quantity of near 7 foot tall golieths in the throng. Wonder if this is the achilles heel of Vicar St or perhaps a reflection of the Fleet Foxes audience?

    Ended up sitting on the small counter space on the tiered seats which gave a much foxier view.

    I was also blown away by how packed the floor was. Maybe it’s just the conspiracy theory part of my brain speaking but I suspect that the floor had been way oversold.

    Before anyone says it…I’m off to the OAPs home now for a game of dominos - thanks to my grandson who wrote this for me on his www internet thing …

    Comment by James D
    4.
    November 10, 2008
    12:57 pm

    Wasn’t at Fleet Foxes but I’ve seen it before in Vicar St where the floor is jammed and it appears to be that many of the upstairs standing and seated tickets manage to make their way onto the ground floor. Also presumably the ground floor capactiy includes the seats which people don’t really use at the ground floor standing gigs as you can’t see anything from the lower tiers. Sold out standing gigs are never a comfortable affair there. Thankfully they’re a rarity in an otherwise excellent venue.

    On the subject of jammed venues, since when did the The Academy start using the old downstairs bar for gigs? Was at Okkervil River on Friday, great performance but shoddy venue, I expected it to be on in the normal upstairs venue which is pretty good only to be ushered downstairs. Pillars, a low ceiling, tiny stage, no optimum location to view the stage, definitely the worst venue in dublin. I’ll definitely be very cautious about going to anything in the Academy again.

    Comment by mreeyore
    5.
    November 10, 2008
    2:18 pm

    I was sitting upstairs in the balcony for Fleet Foxes, Block D, to the right of the stage. Yeah, the floor looked really jammed, yet there were about 10 unoccupied seats beside me (possible restricted view?)

    As for the gig itself, I thought they were good without being great. There was something missing, they didn’t quite connect with the audience IMO.

    Comment by Do'h
    6.
    November 10, 2008
    3:16 pm

    I was at FF also, a friend had a spare ticket so I went along. Wouldn’t consider myself a huge fan but I do like ‘Mykonos’ a lot. As D’oh said, they were good but never more than that. They seem as if they were cryogenically frozen in 1967 and brought back to life 2 months ago. Not exactly sure why they are such a big draw, there are far better bands out there that would still only half-fill Whelans. Even the band themselves seemed a little bemused at the response they got at Vicar Street. Is it just me or is the stage in Vicar Street very low down?

    As for OMM, they gave an album 3 out of 5 this month! The Cure’s new one. What’s going on?

    Comment by Quint
    7.
    November 10, 2008
    3:16 pm

    @ Number 5 I was in the same section and noticed the same thing. I also enjoyed taking an occasional bird’s eye view at the packed but entranced crowd. All were captivated bar one guy who looked the worst for wear, headbanging away to Ragged Wood et al much to the annoyance of those around him.

    Comment by Joe
    8.
    November 10, 2008
    3:35 pm

    Am I the only person in Ireland that didn’t go to see Fleet Foxes on Friday night? That said, Goldfrapp was fairly full at Tripod. Great gig, if a little short.

    Raise a toast for Mary Harney & Co. The PDs will be missed, and somehow I doubt she’ll get in as an independent next time round.

    Comment by Ronan
    9.
    November 10, 2008
    3:43 pm

    I think Fleet Foxes on Friday was one of those Event Gigs we seem to like so much in Ireland. So many people have talked about or written about Fleet Foxes and their album and that last show in Whelan’s that everyone else wanted to have a look as well.

    Regarding the performance, I thought they looked a little tired compared to the show in June. It has been a long and eventful year for them and, whereas in years past, a band could tour for a few months and then break to write/record, gigonomics dictate that a band must spend nearly all the year on the road whether they want to or not. It’s why we see acts back here so often - two gigs from Why?, two gigs from Fleet Foxes, two gigs from Lykke Li and THREE gigs from Bon Iver in six months. All of these are doing these multiple gigs on the back of just one album and sometimes, it does show.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    10.
    November 10, 2008
    3:53 pm

    totally agreed about the Observer these days, it’s really gone downhill.

    I’d love to see Van Morrison in LA; the Hollywood Bowl is just about the best venue I’ve ever had the pleasure of going to a gig at…

    Comment by Justin Mason
    11.
    November 10, 2008
    3:58 pm

    The return show on the same album promotion are the kiss of death in so many ways. I’ve fallen prey to the temptation once or twice down the years and almost always leave the ‘return’ gig with a bad taste in me mouth. Bad pint? Alas no.

    The pinacle of this was a recently second show in six months from Martha (did i mention my brother is Rufus?) Wainwright in the Olympia. She was bloody awful. I’ve never seen someone going thru the motions so badly.

    Comment by James D
    12.
    November 10, 2008
    4:07 pm

    I still enjoy Sean O’Hagan’s stuff every week in The Observer and the Take That piece I wouldn’t have minded so much if it hadn’t been Polly fucking Vernon doing it (The Observer Woman being one of the most insultingly horrific abominations The Observer, or any publication, has produced).
    I liked the Motown and NME pieces and as for the reviews…well there was some real shit up for judgement (Blunt, Jason Donovan, Lemar, Clodplay, The Bronx, Beyonce, The Killers, Tom Jones) so it was never gonna be pretty..
    And maybe the Kanye album isn’t so bad?

    Comment by adam
    13.
    November 10, 2008
    4:38 pm

    @5:”As for the gig itself, I thought they were good without being great. There was something missing, they didn’t quite connect with the audience IMO.”

    I noticed this a bit at the Whelans gig too. They’re a good live band, but I think their harmonies aren’t as inviting as the Arcade Fire ilk. The Fleet Foxes harmonies convey a sort of reverence, a bit like listening to a great choir in a church - its impressive to witness but it doesn’t really make you want to wave your arms in the air and sing along.

    Still, more power to them. ‘Mykonos’ is one of the best songs of the year

    Comment by Peter81
    14.
    November 10, 2008
    4:51 pm

    Really enjoyed Fleet Foxes, and I actually thought the harmonies were one of the best things about it. I was delighted to hear they were as pitch-perfect live as they are on record and got goosebumps at several stages. That song that Robin did from the front of the stage was great, too. But I agree - there was something missing. Maybe I thought it was gonna be transcendental or something. I’d definitely see them again, though.. should have gone to Whelan’s…

    Comment by Lauren
    15.
    November 10, 2008
    5:02 pm

    Theres probably a mathematical equation for it

    Great album + huge expectation + fantastic word of mouth from first gig - lack of new songs + Friday night in Dublin audience + tired band + rollercoaster year – expecting to feel the ground move under your feet + joe duffy in the audience = good gig, albeit with something missing

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    16.
    November 10, 2008
    5:41 pm

    Was at Okkervil River on Friday, great performance but shoddy venue, I expected it to be on in the normal upstairs venue which is pretty good only to be ushered downstairs. Pillars, a low ceiling, tiny stage, no optimum location to view the stage, definitely the worst venue in dublin. I’ll definitely be very cautious about going to anything in the Academy again.

    Yeah put a bit of a dampner on things but I thought they were still really good. Even managed to breath life into some of the underwhelming new songs on the latest record. Was speaking to their keys/cornet player after and he sad he hoped they’d get back into Whelan’s the next time.

    Biggest problem was the curfew though. They’d played Another Radio Song in England last week and I’d ave loved to have heard that.

    Comment by Ian
    17.
    November 10, 2008
    6:00 pm

    Aww Jim, did you mention in your earlier post about the NI:Music conference that you were going to be there?
    Belfast is really doing well lately in the number of bands who’ll add a show up North instead of just stopping in Dublin. The Waterfront, Limelight and Mandela Hall are good venues, The Grand Opera House might be the best sounding hall in town and The Odyssey is the best big band venue on the island (at least until the O2 Point reopens). Someday they might even decide they’ve done enough renovations on the Ulster Hall.

    Was at Ryan Adams in the Ambassador on Sat. Some of his new album might be middle-ing, but these guys are tight. One of my shows of the year.

    I heard that Bruce line last week and didn’t want to believe it. Nervous.
    I only reason I get up in the morning is Bruce tix. I’m twitching right now just thinking about what a job it’ll be getting hold of one for any upcoming tour.
    Any chance, Jimbo?

    Comment by TS Ed
    18.
    November 10, 2008
    6:04 pm

    Apparently Fleet Foxes had 12 days off all year so evidently it would show a little bit at least.

    Comment by Niall
    19.
    November 10, 2008
    8:35 pm

    Aw can’t believe the Fleet Foxes comments! No accounting for taste. They are one of the most outrageously talented bands to emerge in a long long time and i thought they were fantastic in Vicar Street.
    - nothing missing for me except it would be nice if they could have played a little longer.

    Comment by Alan
    20.
    November 10, 2008
    8:41 pm

    found fleet foxes gig fairly average as i did in whelans earlier on in the year where i taught beach house blew them off the stage.

    vicar street is always that packed when its sold out luckily im one of the tall people so it doesnt bother me.

    Comment by derek
    21.
    November 11, 2008
    10:01 am

    As far as the floor being packed at Fleet Foxes goes, I was about four people deep near the middle and it wasnt jammed at all. Maybe it looked jammed from up top but I think most people were giving each other a bit of space on the floor so it didnt seem packed down there.

    Also, not connecting with the crowd? The banter bet ween songs re: Killers/Obama/Enya was the funniest I’ve heard ever. I don agree with you there at all.

    Overall, having decided to go to Dan Deacon ion June and thus not having seen them before, I thought they gave a mesmerizing performance and the harmonies were as beautiful in person as they are in the studio.

    Comment by P&M
    22.
    November 11, 2008
    12:02 pm

    Have to disagree with ye on the crowding at FF, P&M. Maybe you’d found a nice air-pocket or summit but the audience was virtually static from my vantage point.

    A little bit of movement beside the ground seats but getting in and out of the crowd was a bugger. Not my idea of fun.

    Did make me wonder about safety as there was zero security crew visible at the back of the venue…T’was a good gig all the same.

    Anyone at Paul Weller at the RDS cattle market last night? From the volume of folks who were on the MCD guestlist, I suspect it was borderline ‘…due to unforeseen circumstances…’. That darn credit crunch squeezing the attendance on middle ground bands? It’s a shame as it was a red hot gig. Right act, wrong venue.

    Comment by James D
    23.
    November 11, 2008
    12:21 pm

    jim @ 15…

    the equation involves hyping far too many new bands with one album as the greatest thing we’ve ever heard… boredom ensues as little as four or five months later… i use the ‘two year’ test… if an album or band mean the same to me two years later, they are usually a keeper…

    …okkervil river have somewhat proven themselves by this point… fleet foxes haven’t…

    by the way, i had never heard astral weeks up until last week when i eventually bought it… i was dubious about whether i would like it but it is truly a great album…

    Comment by Ally
    24.
    November 11, 2008
    12:24 pm

    That equation was very tongue-in-cheek, not intended to be taken seriously.

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    25.
    November 11, 2008
    2:55 pm

    not seriously?… i thought you had solved the eternal problem…

    i was trying to indicate that we (or really you - plural) should all stop trying to find the next great thing, then think you have found it, then get bored by next week…

    …honestly, what’s happened to our culture…

    *insert wink if you must*

    Comment by Ally
    26.
    November 11, 2008
    3:09 pm

    i was trying to indicate that we (or really you - plural) should all stop trying to find the next great thing, then think you have found it, then get bored by next week…

    But Ally, it is the eternal search for the next great thing which keeps me (well, us) going thru all those new CDs and MP3s.

    (no winking - this is not a Sarah Palin rally)

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    27.
    November 11, 2008
    3:29 pm

    i’m glad we don’t have to wink… it’s so tiresome…

    it’s your job, jim… for that reason, you are fully excused…

    however, for want of a better cliché, i think that everyone else needs to slow down and smell the roses once in a while…

    we talked in depth about how the business models have changed in music these days… the main change i see is that the listener no longer bothers to really connect with an album… i realise that this topic has been discussed ad nauseum (at least i think it has) but i can’t let it go

    Comment by Ally
    28.
    November 11, 2008
    3:36 pm

    Ally - I appreciate what you say about it being my job - and believe you me, journalists much prefer to write about new acts than try to get something new from someone on album number 3 or 4.

    However, I like the cut of one point you made: listeners not giving albums the time they might have given them before.

    Do you really think this is the case? I’d have thought that, as before, people would find themselves obsessing over a couple of new albums for a period. Sure, they’d listen to other new music but there would be a hardcore of albums/songs/bands that they’d keep coming back to.

    That topic has not come up here too often for discussion - maybe elsewhere, but it’s not one of this blog’s old reliables (which are Radiohead, word of mouth, tickets selling out, Tipperary hurling, Liverpool FC and Bruce Springsteen)

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    29.
    November 11, 2008
    3:57 pm

    i guess that i assume that it comes up often because it is my pet hate…

    you are probably right - people do obsess over a couple of albums for a period before moving on… but everything is speeded up… people move on quicker than before - there is a definite feeling of keeping up with the jones’ now that maybe wasn’t there before…

    there is also so much music out there that many people listen to a song (or album) and say “wow, that’s fantastic… now, what next?”…

    in addittion, i think that we are all conning ourselves to a degree… in classic music-snob style, we think that we are listening to this new really cutting edge underground act that no one else has discovered… when in truth, most of the albums discussed on this blog are really the new mainstream underground… they are all destined to be discussed by all the regular review sites and bloggers and eventually most of them are discarded as something that doesn’t last (hence my comments on fleet foxes)…

    there really are very few john peels out there these days… the type of people that would pick the most obscure cover out of a record shop in berlin and then see if he liked it… or would play a demo sent in from an argentinian nuevo-tango player who is homeless on the streets of buenos aires…

    mp3s and digital music make music TOO accessible… it is too easy to move on to the next thing without bonding with the last…

    apologies for the disjointed nature of my above thoughts

    Comment by Ally
    30.
    November 11, 2008
    4:29 pm

    “Tipperary hurling, Liverpool FC and Bruce Springsteen”

    You’ll find that most comments on these topics are by Jim himself.

    The last time I heard these three topics mentioned in the same breath was around 1986

    *insert wink*
    *insert tongue in cheek*

    Comment by Matt Vinyl
    31.
    November 11, 2008
    4:38 pm

    The last time I heard these three topics mentioned in the same breath was around 1986

    A great year

    Winks etc

    Comment by Jim Carroll
    32.
    November 11, 2008
    4:45 pm

    here, you’re giving me a bit of a tic with all this winking…

    Comment by Ally
    33.
    November 11, 2008
    8:53 pm

    @29:”mp3s and digital music make music TOO accessible… it is too easy to move on to the next thing without bonding with the last…”

    I agree. The mp3 age is a blessing and a curse. I still buy CDs whenever I can because I like the physical thing. Its harder to put it out of your mind because the whole package leaves a bigger impression on you.

    But then I couldn’t live without mp3s now. I’ve heard so much great stuff that would never have reached me by CD.

    The internet spoils you, its not just music.

    Comment by Peter81
    34.
    November 12, 2008
    10:40 am

    “the internet spoils you”…

    never has a truer line been spoken… if i had more willpower, i would ban the internet from my life… i absolutely mean that…

    i’m addicted - and because of it i am less produtive and failing to achieve what i want to…

    Comment by Ally
    35.
    November 12, 2008
    12:48 pm

    Late to the fray as usual Jim but very impressed by the sound of the NIMIC conference there last week. Sounds like the folks in charge have a good handle on the scene there and recognise how to develop that into even more success. Were there many musos in attendance? Am a massive NI rock fan and have been thrilled to see the progress in 2008. That’s down to great bands and genuine support. The Oh Yeah! is a real show of faith to all involved too.
    Was it an informative event in comparision to similar excursions here south?

    Comment by Naomi
    36.
    November 12, 2008
    11:26 pm

    Album reviews are as redundant as the concept of the album.

    Give me the name, the release date and the link to the MySpace version of the songs and I’ll decide if I want to come back to it, financially.

    Yes the internet can help the onset of ADD but it has saved me a fortune on new albums that promise so much and fail to deliver.

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