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  • irishtimes.com - Posted: May 18, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

    Is this water corked?

    Tom

    A comment elsewhere on this blog has prompted me to ask the question: Are we mad to buy bottled water? Well, in my own case, the answer would be yes because we have our own well and the water is pretty pure according to the last analysis. It doesn’t taste terrific (no, not all water tastes the same) but I drink an awful lot of it, sometimes with the addition of about a teaspoon of lime cordial to the half litre.

    But in Dublin, I drink bottled water. In fact, I bring well water from home for making tea and coffee. This is because the stuff that comes out of the tap in our city home tastes so foul. It smells and tastes like a swimming pool, because it’s heavily chlorinated. But it tastes worse than that. In winespeak terms, it’s “corked”.

    Stop sniggering! And concentrate on a bit of science. Bad corks, the ones that make wine taste “musty” do so because they started life containing mould. Corks are treated with bleach and steam can which react with mould to produce a substance called TCA – minute quantities of which create a mouldy, musty taste.

    The same thing can happen in waterworks, hence much tap water tastes “musty” and therefore much less pleasant than Ballygowan, Tipperary, Evian and what have you.

    So people who buy bottled water are not all mad. Here’s a scientific paper which may be of interest.

    Are you happy to drink your tap water straight from the tap? In a glass, obviously, otherwise you have to contort yourself in a way not advised by physiotherapists. Or have you found a filter that makes it taste…well, pretty okay, especially if it’s chilled, with lots of ice and lemon?

    And can local authorities let us know how much TCA and its related compounds are in drinking water? I know it’s not nearly as worrying as E Coli and the like but, if you have functioning tastebuds, it’s not very nice…

  • 25 Comments »

    1.
    May 19, 2009
    11:05 am

    There was once an episode of Pinky and the Brain, back in the 1990s, where Brain announces that he has a “new plan to take over the world”.
    Pinky asks “What’s that, Brain”, to which he responds, “I shall pollute the water supply with this DNA defibuliser, turning everyone into mindless slaves.”
    Pinky asks “What about the people who drink bottled water?”
    Brain asserts; “Pinky, people who pay 5 dollars for a bottle of water are already mindless slaves.”

    Comment by Liam
    2.
    May 19, 2009
    11:19 am

    I’d forgotten that one. Brilliant… But I’d still drink bottled water if I lived in Dublin…

    Comment by Tom
    3.
    May 19, 2009
    12:47 pm

    I’ve recently moved to Dublin city centre and the tap water tastes absolutely foul. I’ve lived in other areas of Dublin and always found the water to be surprisingly nice and refreshing.

    Not in the city centre alas. But I hate the idea of buying bottled water, from an environmental point of view and just seems like a waste of money. However, I’d be interested in hearing of any filters which would make the water taste that bit less foul.

    Comment by nerraw
    4.
    May 19, 2009
    2:09 pm

    I bought my first Brita 9 years ago in London and would not be without one. It has taken me from there to Maynooth to Dublin City Centre and now to Cork city. I drink at least 2 litres a day and the filter really makes a difference. to the taste of water. Mad to buy bottled water? Yes!

    Comment by Me
    5.
    May 19, 2009
    8:08 pm

    Late last year my family and I moved to Galway , Out of concern for the water quality , we had it scientifically tested .
    The result came back as being contaminated with the urine of “Panthera tigris Hiberia”. Perhaps better know as Celtic Tiger Wee”. Motorways get votes , booming economies get votes , water treatment , not so much .
    There are many countries in Europe where I wouldn’t have that sense of trepidation as I hand my 3yr old a glass of water , and most of them haven’t experienced the boom Ireland has .
    So , bottled water , not so mad , but I just buy the super-market brand .

    Comment by David Edwards
    6.
    May 19, 2009
    10:20 pm

    “At the height of Perrier’s popularity, Bruce Nevins was asked on a live network radio show one morning to pick Perrier from a lineup of seven carbonated waters served in paper cups. It took him five tries.”

    Some very good points in this article:

    http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/117/features-message-in-a-bottle.html?page=0%2C0

    One that stuck immediately is that there is now the possibility of buying bottled water in vending machines (something I never had when I was young).

    Regarding taste – the water in my building in Dublin tastes fine and tastes great when chilled. I normally buy tap water for the plastic bottle!

    Worst scenario for water has to be the charges in airports though. They know we need it and they charge through the nose for it. Sometimes in England, I’ve found the McDonald’s to have the cheapest water…

    Comment by Neil
    7.
    May 19, 2009
    11:08 pm

    I’ve lived in various locations in Dublin over the past few years and have found a wide variety in quality with the poorest generally being closer to the city centre. You end up having to run the tap for ages to get a potable sup (or pre-chill it). Even a few miles outside now and it’s great again.

    Comment by Brian
    8.
    May 20, 2009
    9:25 am

    Live in Dublin. Tap water perfectly ok. The only place I wouldn’t is Ennis region, where it tastes like an armpit looks on a hot day in China.

    Comment by Bri
    9.
    May 20, 2009
    12:29 pm

    In Ranelagh, I let the tap run and run for ages for our coffee machine, this is very wasteful I know BUT, the water that comes out initially is brown with the odd bits of things, eventually, crystal clear water arrives. When the paths are regularly dug up by the utility companies, I shudder when I see the conditions of the underlying pipework although I stress I do not recognise which pipe is which, water or the other!
    I therefore believe in buying the cheapest bottled water on offer and have always used a filter in my house in Meath, one that I buy in Boots for Hard Water as distinct from the ordinary filters that are 3 for 2 and mine never is, sigh!

    Comment by Maura Morris
    10.
    May 20, 2009
    12:42 pm

    The taste of Dublin’s water varies widely from area to area. I only drink tap water and I like the taste of most of Dublin’s supply. Taste depends a lot on the pipes used in an area and also the water tank of the premises. Bottled water has a dead non-taste to me, and I think for the people who don’t like the taste of tap water it is because they are used to bottled.
    The main concerns for me with bottled are the environmental factors and the fact that bottled water is not regulated properly, and the health issues associated with drinking out of plastic. I take a small glass bottle with screw cap from a store bought juice drink, and fill that from the tap when I head out of the house. The large glass juice bottles I fill up for long car journeys etc. These bottles are really sturdy and I stick them in the dishwasher to sanitise them regularly. As far as water filters go, think about getting ones with long lasting ceramic filters, you only have to change them once a year. Lets face it, most people don’t change their filters often enough as they are so expensive, so they are kidding themselves as to the quality of the “filtered” water. Consider also the number of those filters going to landfill. You can also buy filter jugs with refillable cartridges, again saving waste and money. One brand of refillable cartridges actually fit a number of other brands’ jugs so you don’t have to throw out your old jug, just buy the refillable cartridge.

    Comment by Rachael
    11.
    May 20, 2009
    3:20 pm

    Tom, what if you want sparkling water? Are you advocating that we put tap water through a Sodastream we might have lying idle in the garage?

    Comment by Garrett
    12.
    May 20, 2009
    4:00 pm

    Bottled water is expensive, wasteful and incredibly bad for the environment. Think of the energy to collect, bottle and transport, not to mention the plastic and energy involved in manufacturing the bottle (designed for single-use, of course).

    Solve all three by buying a filter. It isn’t rocket science.

    Comment by Tara
    13.
    May 20, 2009
    11:56 pm

    Re:Tara, it might not be rocket science, but it certainly isn’t a simple as ‘buying a filter’.

    What you’ve mentioned above are simply the bad points with regard to bottled water. Bottled water is a guaranteed source of untainted water, that can be sourced in any public space.

    We rely that when we ask for a glass of tap water in a bar/restaurant, that the water is coming from the mains tap and not just from any tap (from storage tanks).

    I’m not saying that bottled water is good…but there is definitely a market for it in certain places. Perhaps we need more access to generic water publicly to finally wean ourselves off the bottle…

    Comment by Neil
    14.
    May 21, 2009
    12:11 am

    I never used to buy bottled water for obvious environmental reasons. I have recently started to do so which really bothers me, but after I discovered the truth about what’s in our water I refuse to drink it unless really desperate. Yes, it contains chlorine, but the most worrying additive is Fluoride. Flouride is industrial waste from the aluminium industry, one of the most toxic and reactive substances known, and is added to our water supply as a result of some very dubious science originating in the US in the1950’s (funded incidentally by the aluminium industry) which credits it with improving dental health. A claim which is increasingly challenged by independent scientists and dentists. Recent studies indicate that fluoride accumulates in the body, and calcifies in the glands, the pineal gland particularly.
    Studies further suggest a lowering of IQ as a result of early and long-term exposure. Ireland is the only EU country which mandates by law the addition of fluoride to public water supplies. Why are we poisoning ourselves? If you can get your hands on it, read a book called The Fluoride Deception.

    Comment by ciaran
    15.
    May 21, 2009
    1:07 am

    For a characteristically balanced view of fluoride, red Dr Ben Goldacre at http://www.badscience.net/index.php?s=fluoride

    Comment by Tom
    16.
    May 21, 2009
    9:13 am

    Bad science is correct as usual.

    Just because it’s in a book, doesn’t mean it’s correct.

    Comment by Neil
    17.
    May 21, 2009
    9:25 am

    People seem to be saying that it is the tap water that tastes horrible, whereas I find I can’t stand most bottled waters, especially Ballygowen.
    I mostly drink tap water and I never notice a taste, except for in the west, it tends to have that highly calcified taste of some bottled waters. However, if I am out and about and buy bottled water it is usually volvic, it’s the only water I don’t mind the taste off.

    Comment by Claire Mossop
    18.
    May 21, 2009
    9:50 am

    Neil,

    I wholeheartedly agree that access in public areas to mains water is a must. However, in relation to access to “untainted” water, the most recent EPA report shows that over 95% of public water supplies are perfectly safe to drink. And don’t forget that private bottled water is not immune from contamination (Perrier) or even coming from the taps (Coca Cola’s Dasani).

    Of course, significant improvements can and should be made on the quality and availability of the public water supply but I think this is the solution, not bottled water.

    Comment by Tara
    19.
    May 21, 2009
    7:16 pm

    Tap water in Ireland is not fit for drinking – it tastes foul and is obviously full of chemicals. It is a disgraceful situation considering we are situated on the Atlantic with rain falling more days than not. For me the general attitude of people and politicians was summed up with the reaction to the Galway water crisis 2 years ago – the solution was more water treatment. There was no willingness to tackle the source problem which is slurry run-off, thousands of septic tanks and pollution of our lakes and rivers. We literally live in our own excrement – something even our neolithic ancestors knew how to avoid.

    Comment by Barry T
    20.
    May 22, 2009
    9:35 am

    Glass bottles are fine, but clear plastic bottles leach toxins into the water and should not be re-used. That’s why they have the ‘Recycle 1′ symbol on them.

    Water can cure many ailments but whether mineral water is ‘better’ than tap water is unclear, considering the cost in Ireland.
    http://www.watercure.com/

    Comment by Stevo
    21.
    May 22, 2009
    11:20 am

    Barry T,

    While slurry run-off is a proper problem, the fact is septic tanks are a totally fine way to clean sewage water – obviously, as long as they are installed properly. In fact, they can outperform bio-tanks and the like when it comes to final toxins released into the ground.

    Water treatment is very well advanced and the ‘foul taste’ that you experience should be definitely looked into – you can send water away for analysis and they’ll tell you if anything is up with it…

    Comment by Neil
    22.
    May 22, 2009
    4:38 pm

    I am from south Galway and live in the countryside. Beside our garage we have a water tank with dimensions of 2X2X4 metres which collects rain water from the roof of our house. My father built it back in the 70s and we have had fresh clean water ever since. We got it tested by a company trying to sell us filters for tap water and they found it was the cleanest water they had ever tested. Therefore I would highly recommend people building them. The last time we had problems with it was in the early 90s, back when we had nice summers, (remember them?)!

    Comment by Richard Curtin
    23.
    May 25, 2009
    5:13 pm

    Agree with Barry T. If anyone were held accountable for the Galway watersupply disater, maybe we could trust the people in charge and avoid any repeat. An RTE documentary last year about Dublin water supply highlighted the urgency of the problem here. Not sure if anything has improved since. Will stick to Ballygowan, Evian and Volvic for a while yet…

    Comment by Jonas
    24.
    May 27, 2009
    2:41 pm

    When bottled water came on the market first my father thought it was the most ridiculous thing he had ever heard – “More expensive than petrol”.

    Tara is right, there are different grades of bottled water, spring waters such as Ballygowan, Perrier etc are bottled from source and are not allowed to go under any sterilisation/filtration. Hence sometimes in your office water cooler tank you might see a build up of algae. Also, these waters can be very high in mineral content depending on the source – this is particularly the case on waters from mainland Europe.

    There are bottled waters out there that have more than likely been filled from the tap and sterilised – perfectly legal. Just can’t be called mineral waters.

    Also the FSAI has recently reported that greater than 5% of bottled waters are high in E. coli (indicative of faecal contamination).

    Comment by geri
    25.
    September 15, 2009
    6:21 pm

    I am looking for a supplier of perrier water in cork can u help. thanks, Roger. 0872796009

    Comment by roger mathews

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