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    The irishtimes.com archive and Kate Fitzgerald

    Hugh Linehan

    Journalism is a messy, imperfect trade. In the course of producing a daily newspaper or operating a news website, hundreds of decisions and judgment calls must be made every week. We try very hard to maintain the highest professional standards, to make the right call, to spot the potential pitfalls and to be fair to the people about whom we’re writing. Sometimes we fail. And when we do, we should hold up our hands and acknowledge those failures to our readers. Sometimes these mistakes cause distress to blameless people. And sometimes they can have serious legal and financial consequences for us and for our newspaper.

    There has been a lot of highly critical public reaction, particularly on social media platforms, to the events surrounding our re-editing of an article originally published in the Irish Times’s newspaper edition of September 9th, 2011. The article had been published anonymously, but, as revealed in a piece by Peter Murtagh in the Weekend Review of November 26th, its author, Kate Fitzgerald, had taken her own life before it was published. The revelation of Kate’s identity in Peter’s interview with her parents, Tom and Sally Ann, set in motion a train of events: the re-editing of the first article the following Monday following legal advice; a clarification of the reason for that re-editing on Wednesday, and, on Saturday, an apology to Kate Fitzgerald’s former employers, the Communications Clinic, which stated that “significant assertions within the original piece were not factual”.

    The Irish Times has been heavily criticised for its role in this sequence of events, most recently and seriously by Tom and Sally Ann Fitzgerald, who have written of “ the insensitivity of the Irish Times and its inability to grasp how its position has compounded our grief, and attempted to stilt the national debate on depression and suicide.”

    It is neither appropriate nor possible for me to go into detail on the specific legal issues involved in this case. However, reasonable questions have been asked by readers about our policies on amending or altering the digital archive on irishtimes.com, and I hope I can go some way towards answering those.

    Editors at The Irish Times are duty-bound to ensure the work they publish does not expose the newspaper to potential legal hazard. This responsibility does not end at the point of publication; if an error has been made and published, it also applies to the range of online platforms for which we are responsible.

    When we make mistakes, we are often required to publish retractions in the Corrections and Clarifications slot on the Opinion page of The Irish Times, usually stating that our original assertions were not correct. Many of our writers have had such corrections published about their work, baldly stating its factual incorrectness, and offering apologies to those affected.

    Increasingly, though, those seeking redress from newspapers for perceived misrepresentations, inaccuracies or worse are as interested in the digital record as in the print retraction.. If there’s a serious problem with an article, that problem is arguably being perpetuated by its continued availability to online readers. For publishers, the pressing question becomes whether they are making a bad situation even worse in the eyes of the law by keeping that article available online.

    As a result, circumstances regularly arise where the digital record requires amending. Serious errors of fact can and should be corrected. If we have failed to meet our own standards of fairness to everyone involved in a particular story, we should redress that imbalance. When these issues are brought to our attention, we act on them (although we may not do so if the mistake is very minor; each correction takes a certain amount of time to carry out and we have limited resources).

    These corrections and amendments are firstly applied to the irishtimes.com archive, which is a digital record of all content published via the newspaper or as breaking news since The Irish Times went online in 1996. This is the format in which most users find and read our archived content. (The archive does not currently include blogs, audio or video, but we hope to include them in the near future.)

    When we make a correction, we try to make it as clear as possible to users of irishtimes.com that a post-publication change has been made; for the last two years, we have done so with a line at the bottom of the text indicating that this has happened. Recent events show that we need to be even clearer with that message, always including the date that the change was made, the reason for making the amendment and, where possible, marking the changed text.

    The same principles apply to amendments made following legal advice, which would normally be given on the basis that the newspaper and website are unacceptably exposed to a potential risk of action. Such advice is usually but not always given on foot of a complaint from a member of the public. However, we are often limited in the level of information we can give to the user in these cases; to go into detail is often impossible without repeating the information which caused the problem in the first place.

    The irishtimes.com archive is just one of the platforms for our content. The newspaper archive is a page-by-page version of all daily newspaper editions published since the foundation of The Irish Times in 1859. Some imperfections and gaps exist, but it’s a pretty complete record of the newspaper’s history. The epaper, the daily digital version of the newspaper, available to subscribers from around 4am every morning, is also based on newspaper pages. In addition to these, we send our articles to a number of syndication and archive services and we supply content feeds on a contractual basis to a number of third-party customers around the world. In all these cases, we’re contractually committed to alerting the parties when any legal issues arise. Similarly, the syndicated services we receive from the Guardian, the New York Times and others have alert systems in place when problems arise at their end.

    When we have reason to believe that the newspaper may be at legal risk due to something we’ve published, certain processes kick in. The most straightforward is the editing or correcting of content on irishtimes.com itself. A further decision may be taken to carry out a legal retraction of content from the other services mentioned. This is a more complex process in terms of the number of organisations involved, but for readers it probably seems much blunter as, since the newspaper archive and epaper are based on newspaper pages, the legal retraction takes the form of a redaction or crude blotting out of the relevant article on the page, with the words “Legal Retraction” attached.

    In the case of Kate Fitzgerald’s anonymous article of September 9th, following legal advice we were asked to edit it on the afternoon of Monday, November 28th. The original amendment line in the irishtimes.com archive read: ‘’This is an edited version of an Irish Times article originally published on September 9th, 20111″. Following complaints from some users, we re-wrote the line on Wednesday morning to read: “This article was originally published on September 9th in The Irish Times. It was re-edited on November 28th following legal advice.”

    The concerns expressed by readers about the clarity of the original notification were justified – although suggestions that we were deliberately trying to conceal the changes were not. Arising from this, we’re now implementing stricter guidelines for making such changes as clear as possible to the user.

    On the evening of Friday, December 2nd, we undertook a broader legal retraction across archive, epaper and other services, which took place over that weekend.

    Since those events, and the apology to the Communications Clinic published on Saturday, December 3rd, I’ve been reading and sometimes engaging with the angry debate on Facebook, Twitter and elsewhere about the rights and wrongs of what was done and what has happened. I and my colleagues, including the editor, Kevin O’Sullivan, have been very aware throughout of the criticism of The Irish Times on Facebook, Twitter and blogs.

    In my own personal view, as an organisation we can be legitimately criticised for not engaging more openly and immediately with public concerns about our actions. And people are entitled to their opinions about the rights or wrongs of those actions. We are to some degree constrained in what we can write about the details of this case, so it’s understandable if some readers believe we’re being self-serving or narrowly legalistic in responding (or not responding) to questions. Are there things that could or should have been done differently over the past few weeks? Yes. We need to learn from those to make sure we don’t make the same mistakes again.

    However, unfortunate and painful though these events have been, we as professional journalists and publishers took what we believed to be the best action from an ethical and legal perspective. We believe that to have acted otherwise would not have been brave, but irresponsible. We acknowledge the hurt, bewilderment and anger felt by the friends and family of Kate Fitzgerald over what has happened, and apologise for our part in contributing to that.

    Hugh Linehan is online editor of The Irish Times

  • 78 Comments »

    1.
    December 20, 2011
    4:21 pm

    Explaining is losing….

    Comment by Ciarán Mc Mahon
    2.
    December 20, 2011
    4:35 pm

    Your argument that you cannot divulge the details of what original content was potentially legally dubious is understandable and reasonable. However, what is unreasonable was the fact that you refused to explain in detail the reasons to the parents of Kate Fitzgerald. In their article on Broadsheet, they stated that you would not clarify to them what questionable statements had been made. I see no reason why they could not be given a full and frank explanation. That would be in private, and would not be a problem legally.

    I think most readers would be satisfied if the parents of Kate were given a full explanation, even if the public were left in the dark. However instead your treatment of them and their attempt to preserve their daughter’s legacy has been shameful. You may be bound legally not to inform the public of the details, but you do owe an explanation in private to her parents.

    Comment by Liam
    3.
    December 20, 2011
    4:35 pm

    In our mad pursuit of the scoop, we members of the press sometimes…make mistakes. “Rock Bottom” would like to make the following corrections…

    Comment by Mark Murphy
    4.
    December 20, 2011
    4:40 pm

    This is weak!

    You’re not assessing the real issue. You capitulated to Terry Prone immediately and then called Kate a liar in your NATIONAL paper!!! Following this you then told the parents that there is a difference between saying that what Kate isn’t “factual” is not calling her a liar!!! Yeah… it is! think about it.

    Swallow your pride and admit that you gave into the demands of a fake like Terry Prone!

    Comment by melvin udall
    5.
    December 20, 2011
    4:42 pm

    such a long article, and only one paragraph really relevant. The last one.

    Comment by Grace
    6.
    December 20, 2011
    4:42 pm

    What assertions were incorrect? Kate’s piece only asserted her own experience. She never named anyone, you did. Calling her assertions false is an utter disgrace.

    Comment by Paul
    7.
    December 20, 2011
    4:44 pm

    Melvin. As stated above, the same wording has been used in public corrections of articles by many Irish Times writers. we are not calling them liars either.

    Comment by Hugh Linehan
    8.
    December 20, 2011
    4:44 pm

    What a ludicrous article, and what an insult to the family and friends of Kate.

    You’re scraping the dirt of the shoes of the tabloids at the moment, the entire fiasco has destroyed the credibility of the IT, and it’s gonna take a whole lotta effort to get it back!!!!

    Comment by Rachael van Os
    9.
    December 20, 2011
    4:49 pm

    Here are my questions – based on taking the IT at its word;

    How does the Irish Times know that statements made in Kate Fitzgerald’s original article are “not factual”? Surely that itself must be based on some finding of fact, why can’t we be told?

    If a national newspaper can’t clearly state what is and what is not factual, doesn’t it hold an interest in changing the playing field? What is the point of a press that can’t provide us with the context to examine claims of truth? This seems like a major point of principle worth fighting for.

    Why was a PR consultant allowed to publish an anonymous piece supposedly containing “not factual” statements in the first place? Have policies been changed to prevent any such recurrence?

    Roughly what proportion of the Irish Times copy is provided by, or influenced by, PR consultants? Would the Irish Times consider a policy of clearly disclaiming any such articles in future?

    Comment by Colm MacCarthaigh
    10.
    December 20, 2011
    4:49 pm

    why is hugh linehanwriting this long irrelevancy, its editor peter murtagh fault revealing name of the anonymous letter writer

    Comment by steve white
    11.
    December 20, 2011
    4:49 pm

    All i see here is a condescending diatribe of “you kids dont understand journalism” and “yeh were still not publishing jack!”

    all i see here is an explanation of how you guys roll over and take it from the communications clinic

    Comment by chris
    12.
    December 20, 2011
    4:52 pm

    Have you gone and explained such to the satisfaction of Kate’s beleaguered parents yet?

    I thought not.

    Comment by Donald Humsfield
    13.
    December 20, 2011
    4:56 pm

    You haven’t answered any of the questions that have been raised by hundreds of people on your Facebook page or on Twitter!

    Let me try again: Have The Communications Clinic forbidden (threatened?) you from saying what was “factually incorrect” in Kate’s original article? If they haven’t, what was incorrect? If they have, and you can’t publish what was “incorrect”, can you at least tell her parents in private (as Liam above suggests)? If you won’t say, at least edit the archived apology to the TCC and blur out the bit where you basically call Kate a liar when she can’t defend herself!

    Comment by Fiachra
    14.
    December 20, 2011
    4:58 pm

    @Hugh Linehan

    I don’t care what terminology you used *many* times . This is incredibly insulting to the family and the thousands of us who are standing with them. You edited her letter stating that “significant assertions which were not factual” – HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW, Hugh? Do you work with the CC? have a camera feed into their office? was Kate a known liar? How the hell do you know if its true or not! and you then insult us even more with the pathetic whimpering DRIBBLE you splashed above.

    For a paper that reports the news to the public, you really really DO NOT understand the public you are reporting to!

    GROW UP.. PATHETIC.

    Comment by melvin udall
    15.
    December 20, 2011
    5:03 pm

    Could you expand on this : “Editors at The Irish Times are duty-bound to ensure the work they publish does not expose the newspaper to potential legal hazard”.

    While I expect you to only publish what is accurate and not libellous – surely any item containing negative comment, or criticism could expose you to legal hazard. Of course, the truth is an adequate defence.

    If you were not to exercise some judgement in what could be printed, then you could never print anything negative about anyone. It seems that in this case, many people (including me) think you have not made a wise judgement.

    Comment by Frank Courtney
    16.
    December 20, 2011
    5:09 pm

    “Melvin. As stated above, the same wording has been used in public corrections of articles by many Irish Times writers. we are not calling them liars either.”

    If that is the case, why was Kevin O’Sullivan unable to say what was wrong or factually incorrect with the original article? If he is willing to state that something is factually incorrect to the nation, he should be able to back up that statement to Kate’s parents. The fact that he capitulated so easily and was unable to explain that why the reasoning for the capitulation has tarnished the reputation of the paper to me.

    Comment by Al
    17.
    December 20, 2011
    5:11 pm

    for me this still completely fails to address the question of how Kate’s original article can possibly be described as ‘factually incorrect’?

    You say that “Recent events show that we need to be even clearer with that message, always including the date that the change was made, the reason for making the amendment and, where possible, marking the changed text”… But I still feel it is highly unclear where the factual mistakes lie in this case…

    Maybe you could apply these new criteria in this instance and not just say you will do so at some indefinite future point?

    Comment by Paul
    18.
    December 20, 2011
    5:12 pm

    Don’t particularly want to start ALL CAPS yelling, but this does seem like something of a cop out.
    There’s a scant apology for distressing Kate’s family, a lengthy explanation for how and why articles get taken down from the website and as far as I can tell, no addressing of the actual issues raised by what you’ve done/been accused of doing. If you can’t say what exactly the communications clinic had an issue with I understand, but at least address the overall issue; that allows you to at least answer, in an abstract(and thus safe) fashion the questions being put to you. If I’m further misunderstanding the issue then please clarify where my mistakes all. Yelling isn’t going to make this an easier issue to deal with, but answering and addressing at least the questions you can answer will. Some people will continue to shout at you, but please, most of us just want answers. Kate deserves that much at least.

    Comment by Rory Bonass
    19.
    December 20, 2011
    5:20 pm

    You have completely taken the energy away from the message Kate intended by acting like this.

    It was penned under animosity and clearly stated opinion and there was no mention of any company. You didn’t need to assert that anything said was unfactual.

    You could have said it was unverifiable but to call her last words lies is disgusting.

    Comment by Dave
    20.
    December 20, 2011
    5:24 pm

    I’d echo what Liam said. Kate’s family are the only ones that matter in all of this. I’ll never understand how the Times has managed to handle *all of this* so badly. Kate isn’t around to counter your belief (presumably based on what the Communications Clinic has communicated to you) that her assertions “were not factual”.

    Comment by Anthony McG
    21.
    December 20, 2011
    5:24 pm

    Colm: I tried to respond to your questions on Facebook – multi-platform confusion going on here..
    Rory: appreciate the lower-case restraint. Do you want to try phrasing that more abstract question to me?

    Comment by Hugh Linehan
    22.
    December 20, 2011
    5:24 pm

    ‘There has been a lot of highly critical public reaction, particularly on social media platforms’

    What’s interesting to note for the Irish Times and its bottom line, ultimately, is that this issue can ONLY be discussed on social media platforms. Hugh, I have been a reader of the Irish Times all my life. I am not on facebook. I do not write responses on blogs in general. I wrote my first letter to the editor of the IT last week registering my concerns as a reader having hadmy attention brought to brooadsheet. I received no response. Not that I expected one, but surely you can see the IT’s actions are driving people to social media in droves?

    While you have addressed YOUR actions as online editor, it is located on a blog, not the print paper. Your paper and its editor Kevin O’Sullivan has not substantiated its significant assertions of factual inaccuracies, and continues to stonewall the issue. The Irish Times has lost this and I suspect thousands, of other readers to the online realm and not of the Irish Times, but other media outlets, where people can legitimately raise their concerns.

    So thanks for your side but I’d like to have a paper to read, and until the IT can explain if not to their readers, to the parents of Kate Fitzgerald, why they hold and publish such opinions of their daighters’ words I can’t see how the IT can regain the trust of its readership (and purchasers).

    Comment by Niamh
    23.
    December 20, 2011
    5:26 pm

    Stop Digging!

    This article is pure waffle and simply doesn’t address the core issues.

    Bottom line is that Kate’s article was factual or it wasn’t. There is no in between status of ’sort of factual’
    You are stating it wasn’t factual and yet have given no indication of how you have come to this conclusion and the only conclusion that many can arrive at is that you have decided to accept the Communications Clinic version of some aspect(s) of the article.

    Smacks of a commercial decision by the Irish Times based on future vested interests of the IT based on the presumption that the furore over this will quickly pass

    Comment by Frank O'Brien
    24.
    December 20, 2011
    5:28 pm

    I think this is highly problematic because of a number of inconsistencies on the part of the Irish Times in addressing the issue, and has been exacerbated because other media, not just online, have identified what Kate wrote and who her employers were and have yet to face any legal ramifications.

    Ultimately the IT should have seen this coming a mile off when it decided to follow up on the story and has mishandled the fallout appallingly. It calls into question the judgement of some of the decision-makers at the IT, namely who gave the green light to the follow up piece and who decided on the wording of the apology. While I applaud your efforts to communicate with readers on this one, Hugh, at the end of the day the ‘paper of record’ has effectively accused a woman who has died by suicide of telling lies in her final communication to the world.

    All the more odd in this is the decision-making of Ms Fitzgerald’s employers, who decided to pursue such an apology given the obvious negative reactions it would bring about. A decision which I think is bizarre at least for a PR company to make. I would be surprised if other media (broadsheet.ie or the Sunday Independent) will face legal action for their coverage of this issue.

    Comment by Joe
    25.
    December 20, 2011
    5:31 pm

    Hidden away in the blogs section.

    Comment by edmund scott
    26.
    December 20, 2011
    5:32 pm

    Whatever about legal issues, my main issue is the use of “significant assertions which were not factual”

    “factual (ˈfæktʃʊəl)
    — adj
    1. of, relating to, or characterized by facts
    2. of the nature of fact; real; actual”

    An unfortunate choice of words when you consider it regards a letter from a woman who believes that her work colleagues did not take her illness as ‘real’ or ‘factual’ either. Yes, depression is a complicated illness, but by saying something is not ‘fact’, it indicates that you have evidence against it. You don’t. So it just seems to the public that it’s a case of ‘Who’s going to do us more damage?’ – two upset parents or a PR company (who funnily enough can’t seem to even manage their personal public relations properly).

    Comment by Rosie
    27.
    December 20, 2011
    5:35 pm

    1. You say you could have done things differently. Can you specify where you think you went wrong, purely as journalists?

    but more importantly

    2. If depression and an employer’s misunderstanding thereof had played a part in the removal of someone from employment what redress, if any, do you think is available via 4th estate?

    Comment by Rory Bonass
    28.
    December 20, 2011
    5:42 pm

    If you’re going to make pathetic excuses, at least bother to make up an excuse rather than sidestepping the issue and attempting to stonewall it. In the age of instant digital news and the ability to understand and inform oneself from every conceivable angle at the few clicks of a mouse button, attempting to cover up anything is a waste of time.

    I don’t know who or why someone is threatening legal action over this article but that will come to light eventually (though many fingers are pointing to one company who I shan’t name due to lack of direct evidence); in the meantime cowardice and burying your head in the sand is reprehensible and fuelling the argument that traditional media, even with a heavy online presence, is a lamentably dying breed with its claws snipped.

    Comment by Mark Henry Murphy
    29.
    December 20, 2011
    5:44 pm

    Thanks for the explanation Hugh, and the apology.

    I believe it’s obvious that the IT was put in an unfortunate position after it became obvious that Kate’s place of work was identifable. (though the IT was to blame for that happening).

    The IT then had a choice to make – it could stand by the original article – thereby exposing itself to big legal bills. There are many who have commented in the past few weeks who believe that should have been the course of action – though of course when you’re not footing the bill, it’s easy to pick the expensive option.

    The other course of action was to edit the original article, and apologise to the PR company. Perhaps not the bravest path, but unfortunately the only one that made sense. People seem to think that it would be up to the PR company to prove they were not bullying Kate. That’s not the case. It would have been up to the IT to prove that Kate was bullied. Which would have surely been almost impossible – and even if it was, would have cost a fortune.

    This, of course, if not going to satisfy those who seem to believe that a PR company is running the country, but for me at least it goes a long way, and I’m happy to have an Irish paper that is willing to regularly address the issues of depression. I don’t suffer from depression myself, but do have direct knowledge of its impact as more than one member of my family have struggled (and still do) with it. It’s still a taboo subject, so it’s refreshing to read about the subject.

    For anyone interest, these recent articles are worth a read.

    ‘ I refuse to let you force my children to walk behind a hearse’
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/pricewatch/2011/1212/1224308952154.html

    ‘Depression can be a slow ebb’
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/health/2011/1206/1224308612878.html

    Comment by Danial
    30.
    December 20, 2011
    5:44 pm

    Dear Hugh.

    I have a question you may be able to answer. Is there evidence against the original article that you can’t publish due to a moral hazard?

    Chris

    Comment by Chris
    31.
    December 20, 2011
    5:47 pm

    Rory. I can only hold up my hand in relation to failings in my area, which includes a lack of clarity on archive corrections. I do also believe there are serious issues to consider around anonymous contributions and understanding the consequences if anonymity is withdrawn (for whatever reason). And, in situations where it is deemed necessary to amend the archival record, I believe we need to be clearer about the relative merits and demerits of editing a text or removing it completely.

    I think the primary redress in such a situation has to be through the courts. The media should expose wrongdoing of this sort where it can, but unlike the legal system, it cannot ventilate claims of such wrongdoing unless it is sure it can itself substantiate those claims – not necessarily an easy thing, with the burden of proof very much on the media organisation.

    Comment by Hugh Linehan
    32.
    December 20, 2011
    5:50 pm

    I posted a comment that seemingly didnt make the cut.

    Why couldn’t you have stated that the assertions made were unverifiable?

    You have completely distorted Kate’s message.

    Comment by Dave
    33.
    December 20, 2011
    5:54 pm

    Hugh, I appreciate the fact that you have at least attempted to address this issue and I am sure you are constrained in what you can say based on legal wranglings but you have to understand that in some ways you are only angering people even more as there still has been no clear and logical explanation given as to how Kate’s article was factually incorrect.

    To most people engaging in IT criticism it is simply not clear…in most cases when a retraction needs to be written, edits made after the fact it is stated clear and simply why they have to be made and the reasonable reader can understand why…in this instance nothing but vague comments have come from IT quarters on why the changes were made and I personally cannot see why and need to know why or least need to know that you have engaged with Kate’s parents to explain clearly why before I will buy the Irish Times again.

    It is simply unjust and hurtful to edit the words of a girl, who the IT engaged to write a piece but is not here to defend herself without any real explanation at all.

    I really hope that you and the team at the IT can take on board the fair and reasonable comments directed at you by your readers and understand that we need to stand up for what we believe is a complete injustice and until you can explain clearly and logically this may not go away.

    Comment by Claire
    34.
    December 20, 2011
    5:59 pm

    Sorry Dave, that was my mistake. Thanks for your point.

    Comment by Hugh Linehan
    35.
    December 20, 2011
    6:04 pm

    Hugh, I am grateful that you have addressed the issue of online and digital publication pieces on the Irish Times website, particularly those of Kate Fitzgerald (her original article) and the subsequent pieces by Peter Murtagh and Kevin O’Sullivan. I understand the legal issues surrounding defamation and the need for online redaction where corrections can be printed in hard copy. I welcome the new policy being adopted by the Irish Times to clearly and explicitly highlight this where articles are retrospectively edited.

    However, I would like to echo other comments made here and on social media platforms surrounding the handling of this case. I believe the Irish Times has treated its readers without the respect they deserve, rather than preserving the journalistic integrity the paper has been renowned for, it has instead caused a storm of doubt and disgust at how Kate Fitzgerald’s story has been dealt with.

    I believe it would take a much better explanation from Kevin O’Sullivan about the editorial decisions taken, and an apology to the readers of the Irish Times along with Ms. Fitzgerald’s family and friends to remedy the serious errors of judgment made. I think it is a great pity that this story has evolved into something other than that which Ms. Fitzgerald intended to highlight to people in the first place; the difficulty people may have in returning to the workplace after attempting to attend to personal mental health issues.

    Comment by Si'eadn
    36.
    December 20, 2011
    6:08 pm

    A very insubstantial article that I doubt will appease many readers.
    My main concern as a reader is this – Kate Fitzgerald shared her opinions based on what she saw as ‘fact’; the Communications Clinic countered with their own ‘fact’. What evidence does the IT have to presume that their ‘fact’ is correct and Kate’s ‘fact’ is incorrect?
    The Irish Times has broken the first rule of objective journalism – taking sides.
    There have been other accusations of bullying by senior staff Communications Clinic, as reported in the Irish Independant. Why is the IT not investigating these claims further?
    The IT will not win the trust of its readers back unless it a) properly puts forward in print Kate’s allegations and the response of the Communications Clinic; and b) investigates the allegations of bullying and intimidation by the Communications Clinic and publishes the results.

    Comment by Nora Sasso
    37.
    December 20, 2011
    6:16 pm

    Hey Hugh,

    thanks for responding but that was a legit question.

    Is there any reason why the Irish Times couldn’t claim that what Kate said in her opinion piece was unverifiable as opposed to claiming that her effective last words were not factual?

    Comment by Dave
    38.
    December 20, 2011
    6:20 pm

    Dave. It’s a fair question. I’ll try to answer it as follows, completely separate from the details of any particular case. If an unverifiable claim is made which causes reputational damage to another individual, it does not suffice for a publisher simply to describe it as ‘unverifiable’. It will need to be unequivocally withdrawn – unless it can be verified.

    Comment by Hugh Linehan
    39.
    December 20, 2011
    7:04 pm

    Cheers Hugh.

    Thanks for answering. It isn’t a pretty story and it’s unfortunate that it has gone in this direction.

    It’s such a shame that Kate’s message has moved from a plea for better understanding and acceptance to a technical examination of what can or cannot be said and it unfortunately has undermined the Irish Times credibility somewhat.

    Personally, I think if the paper were to continue to be more open and assertive as to why you said what you said and acted how you acted everyone would feel more comfortable.

    The reason people are having such a visceral reaction is because the letter had enough power to get the nation talking about a subject that does not receive the light it deserves. The Irish Times, along with Kate Fitzgerald and Peter Murtagh played a huge role in that.

    If you want to do right by Kate and her family, I would suggest that you find a way to bring to conversation back to Kate’s original message.

    Comment by Dave
    40.
    December 20, 2011
    7:38 pm

    I have a question regarding Kate Fitzgerald’s anonymous article published in the Irish Times on September 9th.

    As you acknowledge, Kate had died before this article was published.

    But, was the authenticity of this article verified in any way before it was published?

    Or, did Kate’s anonymity mean that legal issues such as defamation could be avoided? i.e Kate was not identified in the original article and so her employer was not identifiable

    Comment by Eoin
    41.
    December 20, 2011
    8:10 pm

    Hugh,

    In this case both the claims made by Kate were unequivocally withdrawn AND your explanation referred to ‘factual innacuracies’.

    People aren’t as angry about the article being edited as they are about your labelling of Kate a liar. Yes, you claim you had legal reasons to edit the article but once the article is edited why is such a claim as Kate having made ‘factual inaccuracies’ also necessary? Once edited why could you not advise something like “The aritcle has been edited to remove references to the author’s employer which has become public knowledge in the time since the article has been written” or something to that effect?

    You made two mistakes from what I can see – bowing to pressure from a powerful PR company in editing an annonymously written article, and subsequently slating the original author, Kate, in the process.

    Comment by Neil
    42.
    December 20, 2011
    8:26 pm

    A lengthy and substantial piece but one that raises more questions than it answers. I don’t have enough room to expand on them here but I have elaborated on my blog: http://backfromthepast.wordpress.com/2011/12/20/the-irish-times-and-archival-censorship/

    Comment by Ken Griffin
    43.
    December 20, 2011
    8:51 pm

    I believe my opinion on the actions have been mainly covered above, but one I would have for those at the Times (and perhaps those beyond the press) is:

    If Kate had written these words in a suicide note, would it be worth investigation rather than retraction? In other words, does anyone believe that one employee’s accusation of wrongdoing before taking their own life, and another’s attempt to take a bullying case, give anyone pause for thought at all? Or do we not investigate these things?

    It’s not necessarily a criticism of the IT, it just worries me that nobody believes there is a reason to openly question The Communications Clinic’s actions (or not, as the case may well be) – aside from the libel issue.

    Comment by Alan
    44.
    December 20, 2011
    8:55 pm

    Poor explanation Hugh. You may be following legal advice but you will have to chew on your meagre explanation and bumbling handling of this episode for some time.

    I have purchased the Irish Times my whole life and look at the blogs when they are updated with fresh content every couple of weeks.

    There is something very grubby and Orwellian about your approach to this. It would have been better to spike the article altogether than “improve history” as Smith in 1984 was invited to do.

    It is pretty scary when in your day job you go and alter the national paper of record under legal threat. Do you not feel ashamed or even slightly embaressed.

    This is the same newspaper that backed Geraldine Kennedy and Colm Keena when they leaked confidential information from the Mahon tribunal and saw no problem backing them as they broke the law and frustrated a tribunal of enquiry to increase your circulation for a couple of days (sorry advance the national interest).

    Mon dieu, you really are, collectively unfit to tie the shoes of those who created the Irish Times and what she once symbolised.

    The decision was thoroughly craven and thoroughly corporate.

    Comment by RPE McCarthy
    45.
    December 20, 2011
    9:02 pm

    It is clear from your post that you were aware, from at least 3rd Dec onwards, that there was some considerable dissatisfaction with retraction of the Kate’s original article. Did you keep this information from your colleagues, from the Editor?

    In their post on Broadsheet, after meeting with Kevin O’Sullivan on Dec 13th, Kate’s parents stated:
    “Mr. O’Sullivan also presumptuously stated that Irish Times readers had no difficulty with his retraction.”
    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/12/16/let-kate-have-the-final-word/

    There’s appears to be some contradiction there. Was Mr. O’Sullivan unaware of what was going on, or did he lie to Kate’s parents? Or are Kate’s parents lying?

    I have been reading the Irish Times my whole life, and I am embarrassed by how badly you all have handled this situation.

    Comment by Sarah
    46.
    December 20, 2011
    9:19 pm

    On the wider issue of archiving: Can you outline a full picture of external archiving that occurs of your digital material? You mention in the article that the archiving partners can be notified of problems, are they legally liable for material they hold in an archive and thus make you liable? Do you have the ability to edit or amend 3rd party archiving if it occurs? Do you contact copyright deposit libraries and tell them to destroy, edit, or amend physical copy you produce?

    On the particular issue of the article: the decision taken to take a piece of anonymous comment/opinion and render it answerable to the standards of reporting by Murtagh’s article have had serious repercussion of tainting your organistion as a journalistic concern for anyone giving you information on an anonymous basis.
    If you grant anonymity to someone you’re entering a bargain: They’ll give you information or a story of compelling public interest and in return you guarantee their ability to live with a semblance of normality. You take on a responsibility to that source or author, a heavy one when they give consent to you to publish their words or information.
    What the Irish Times did with this story was grant that anonymity and then in the name of reporting a story perceived to be more compelling and more important in terms of the public interest they stripped that anonymity. Dead or alive your anonymous author deserved that anonymity to guarantee the integrity of her writing. You’ve tainted your word to your sources and contributors, you made her the story. You did that out decent intentions, but you’ve been burned and you’ve broken a cardinal rule of your profession.*

    *clearly I’m not intending to conflate you with your institution and its also lamentable that you’re being made a lightning rod to conduct the controversy, this is a matter of editorial principle and should be dealt with at that level, in the pages of the paper. Not to do so is a poor reflection on the Editor. Thanks at least for your individual piece of transparency where the issues concern your department.

    Comment by Major Alfonso
    47.
    December 20, 2011
    9:37 pm

    One question, Hugh.

    What constituted the ‘factual inaccuracies’ of Kate’s piece?

    Your failure to pinpoint the particular references within her article which have apparently obliged you to remove it seems to suggest that is not ‘factual inaccuracies’ but a generally negative portrait of the Communications Clinic which is at stake here.

    It would have been just as easy to call the article ‘unverifiable’ in light of Kate’s death. But you didn’t. You called it ‘factually inaccurate.’

    What factual inaccuracies?

    Comment by Niamh
    48.
    December 20, 2011
    9:53 pm

    testing, testing – i keep getting an error msg

    Comment by Oh
    49.
    December 20, 2011
    10:07 pm

    It seems like there are two issues here really:

    1. The IT edited an article without being upfront about it either to thier readers or Kate’s parents which looks suspicious, and also removed the original article.

    This smells pretty bad from what is meant to be the country’s leading/most respectable newspaper, but if this is on legal advice then maybe that had to be done…..you can find the article elsewhere anyway.

    2. The way I (and the majority of others by the looks of it) read the words ‘not factual’ is ‘lies’, and this is how the IT chose to describe the pieces that were removed from the piece, which then brands Kate a liar….that’s the thing that really annoys me.

    So my question is that if the IT feels bad about this, why not print another retraction of the words ‘not factual’ and say that they ‘couldn’t be verified’, it seems the very least that can be done not to insult her memory.

    Comment by Tom
    50.
    December 20, 2011
    10:08 pm

    Sarah. I was not present at that meeting. I can only reiterate that to my certain knowledge Kevin O’Sullivan was fully aware of the negative reaction.

    Niamh. I refer you to my comment @38

    Major Alfonso. Some wise words there. I’ll come back to you with a more detailed response to your archive questions.

    Comment by Hugh Linehan
    51.
    December 20, 2011
    10:22 pm

    Two questions on the language used in Mr. Linehan’s article and the subsequent comments:

    1. Does the IT really believe it (quote from the last paragraph of Mr. Linehan’s article if you’d like to read it in context) “took what we believed to be the best action from an ethical . . . perspective”?

    2. Given the issue of defamation has been raised, and this quote from Mr. Linehan (from Comment 38, if you’d like to read it in context), “if an unverifiable claim is made which causes reputational damage to another individual, it does not suffice for a publisher simply to describe it as ‘unverifiable’”, I’d like to point out that under Irish law, you can’t defame a dead person. But you can make an unverifiable claim that has caused them reputational damage.

    Comment by Kevin
    52.
    December 20, 2011
    10:31 pm

    “Editors at The Irish Times are duty-bound to ensure the work they publish does not expose the newspaper to potential legal hazard”.

    I would contrast this approach with the manner in which the Irish Times sought to protect its sources in respect of Colm Keena’s work on the tribunals.

    What is very worrying about this saga is that the Irish Times has been publicly seen to row back on something it published on the basis of non-legal representations, i.e. a limited company, involved in the management of the media message of many in Irish public life, made its feelings felt and acted upon without having to have recourse to the courts or the potential exposure to any form of cross examination that the public could be witness to.

    This is precisely the sort of approach that institutions in this state have used down the years to cover up all manner of sins and misdeeds from the most venal to the most mortal. That this tactic is still alive in the 21st century and that the Irish Times can be cowed by it undermines the ability of The Irish Times or anyone to claim that it is a paper of record or one that is prepared to speak truth to power. The message that comes from this is that provided you know in whose ear to whisper and the right words to say that you can ensure that your deeds and influence for good or ill can remain hidden.

    Comment by Daniel Sullivan
    53.
    December 21, 2011
    12:21 am

    Hugh, your explanation about the clarifications process doesn’t really hold water. In the IT’s clarification re: Kate Fitzgerald’s article, the paper states that significant assertions made by the author were not factual, but it does not state which assertions were not factual.

    I’ve done a quick search of the IT’s corrections and clarifications for the past few weeks and it is common practice to state clearly which assertions from the original article were incorrect. Here are a few examples…

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/1208/1224308740191.html
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/1217/1224309212531.html
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/1216/1224309149531.html

    The first link refers to a very serious, inaccurate and potentially libellous allegation against Sean Brady. The published correction openly identifies the inaccurate statement, and in fact the original article is still available online in completely unedited form – http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1205/1224308582678.html

    Your piece above does not explain why the clarification re: Kate Fitzgerald’s article fails to identify which parts of her piece were ‘not factual’, as is common practice in the IT and all other newspapers.

    It would also be helpful if you could let IT readers know the extent and nature of any correspondence received from The Communications Clinic in relation to this matter. Do you not see how hypocritical it is for the Irish Times to be demanding openness and transparency from other institutions, while seeking to hide behind weak legal excuses when the spotlight is shined on its own operations?

    Comment by Michael Gleeson
    54.
    December 21, 2011
    12:31 am

    Hugh,

    You are absolutely certain that your editor was aware of the negative reaction to his retraction when he claimed that there was no negative reaction. How can you explain the contradiction here? Is he not telling the truth?

    (ref. comments 45 and 50.)

    Comment by Pedanto, The Hilarity Man
    55.
    December 21, 2011
    12:57 am

    The inference I have from this article and after examining the original on broadsheet is as follows;

    1. Given the nature of the original article and knowing the facts preceding the publication, you decided after publication it would be more appropriate to edit the words of a person whom laid their thoughts, emotion and soul out for everyone to see, Whom then took her own life rather than request the complaint to prove their assertions.

    2. Given the content of the article, your legal advice was that there was a danger of legal actions being brought therefore, rather than object to such legal threats and highlight what was an excellent article and a large issue in Irish society, you decided it was in the papers own self interest to edit the words of a young dead person

    3. Given the content of the article, the original legal advice on it was it was fine to print. This was then changed, you have not mentioned this.

    The Irish Times was the last paper I would buy on a regular basis, however this is no longer the case. Journalists not only have a duty to their newspaper, but they also have a duty to the reader. They have a duty to themselves to be seekers of the truth, to highlight the joyful and the sad. But most of all, while their is no legal basis for slander of the deceased, there ought to be a part of the paper that shows respect of certain things, certain hard to hear truths. To let those without their voice anymore, have their say and lead by example of displaying ordinary decent humanity.

    Comment by Aj
    56.
    December 21, 2011
    2:14 am

    If you were not dependent on a salary would you have honestly written that piece?

    Comment by Trevor
    57.
    December 21, 2011
    9:00 am

    I appreciate your efforts to clarify this matter but – as has been the case with each successive statement of the Irish Times on this issue so far – your post raises more questions than it resolves.

    You appear to be saying that the editing and excision of Kate’s article was carried out in response to legal concerns.

    However this is entirely belied by the terms of the initial apology of 1st December 2011 which specifically states – and I quote – “[n]o legal representation was made to us on this matter.”

    To date the excuses put forward by the Irish Times for its actions have been vague and unsatisfactory. Now it appears that they are also contradictory.

    The initial apology justified the editing by reference to the fact that “significant assertions” in Kate’s original article were “non-factual”. The term “non-factual” was not explained nor were the assertions identified.
    In his subsequent piece of 3rd December 2011, Irish Times editor Kevin O’Sullivan stated that further information had come to light about the last weeks of Kate’s life which necessitated removal of the article on the grounds of “fairness”. No details of this further information were provided to readers or indeed, it seems, to Kate’s parents.

    Last Saturday the Irish Times published an article by Carl O’Brien in which Mr O’Sullivan again justified the removal of Kate’s article by reference to “fairness”. No explanation of what was meant by fairness was given. Mr O’Sullivan also indicated that the removal of the article had been prompted by the concerns of readers. The comments on the Irish Times facebook page to date would indicate that the concerns of readers are entirely otherwise.

    Now it appears that a further excuse – a legal one – is being put forward, despite the fact that legal considerations were specifically ruled out by the terms of the initial apology. It seems that we have come full circle on this and that the Irish Times is simply chasing its tail at this point.

    It should be noted that Kate’s original article was not in any way defamatory. Her employer was not identifiable, and in fact only became identifiable by reason of the subsequent disclosure of Kate’s identity in the Peter Murtagh article. Yet it was Kate’s article, rather than this subsequent article, which the Irish Times chose to excise.

    Under Irish law, an author has moral rights in their publications and it is an interesting question as to whether or not civil law considerations arising from the subsequent conduct of someone other than the author provide satisfactory grounds for limiting these rights.

    I appreciate the constraints that defamation law may impose on newspapers but the way in which the Irish Times has handled this matter is entirely unsatisfactory. There must be some calling to account (in more than one sense) here if the Irish Times is to maintain any credibility as a newspaper of record. If this is not done, I greatly fear that there will be irreparable damage to the professional reputation of the Irish Times, its editorial staff and columnists.

    In this dangerous and uncertain climate, we need a free, open and transparent media more than ever. The Irish Times has stood for many years as a shining light of honesty and transparency in the Irish media. The light is now flickering. Don’t let it go out, please, for want of an explanation here.

    Comment by Ruth Cannon
    58.
    December 21, 2011
    10:29 am

    Ruth. Thanks for your detailed comment. There is an important general point to make in response and I hope it helps to clarify matters a little. The Irish Times takes legal advice on a range of issues on a daily basis. This may be about articles in pre-publication or matters arising from the publication of certain articles. In the case of post-publication advice, the issue may have been drawn to our attention by a reader’s complaint, by a letter or phone call from somebody mentioned in the piece or by a more formal legal representation. Or a problem might have been spotted by someone within the newspaper. In considering what actions to take, legal advice will form one part of the decision-making process, but we also must have regard for our own ethical guidelines which require fairness to all parties we mention in a particular story. Taking all this into account, the final decision on what action, if any, to take is made by the editor or his nominated representative.

    Comment by Hugh Linehan
    59.
    December 21, 2011
    10:42 am

    Shame on the Communications Clinic. Suicide is such a problem in this country and one aspect that is rarely looked at is an employers role in dealing with depression and related matters. As an employer, I would welcome such discussion. The Communications Clinic could have addressed the issue, without necessarily admitting any fault on their behalf. Doing so would have honoured Kate and could have started a healthy discussion on the topic. Instead they hide behind legal threats.

    Comment by Anne-Marie
    60.
    December 21, 2011
    11:06 am

    There is a passage in “The Insider” where 48 Hours legal division intervenes under threat of commercial consequences from big tobacco.

    I don’t think it matters how many times you try to clarify the procedures you operate under of whose decision it is. That is the Pontius Pilate defence.

    Ultimately, this is about transparency, decency and what is morally correct.

    You have altered the record and changed the paper of record in the process.

    What you are dealing with are competing versions of events with a terrible outcome. No matter what PR companies suggest subsequently, no matter what additional information they provide to the Irish Times, these events are contentious matters and it is just as difficult for you to conclusively state that some items are not factual as it is to say that they are factual.

    If anybody else did what the Irish Times is doing at present – including other newspapers – I can only imagine the moral high ground your paper and staff would be seeking to claim at the moment.

    At a time when whistleblowing legislation is coming into effect in Ireland, why would anybody trust the Irish Times if you have so little backbone.

    Comment by RPE McCarthy
    61.
    December 21, 2011
    12:20 pm

    Dead person vs. most influential PR company in the country inextricably entwined in the establishment, the government, RTÉ etc.

    Irish Times picked their side. Shameful.

    Comment by Brian
    62.
    December 21, 2011
    3:00 pm

    no comments approved after 11am this morning?

    Comment by Brian
    63.
    December 21, 2011
    6:16 pm

    This isn’t over…….

    Comment by Grace
    64.
    December 21, 2011
    9:26 pm

    Shame shame shame. Weaselwords and ambiguous references to lawyers etc fail to disguise teh fact that the Times has again bowed to the pressure of lawyers in lieu of standing by what you originally published. Shame on the employer at the centre of this matter too. You can’t wriggle your way out of this one Hugh.

    Comment by Nat
    65.
    December 21, 2011
    9:36 pm

    By stating that Kate’s comment was not factual you did take sides and believed the prone communications company version. The braver thing would have been to say that the facts were disputed and leave it at that. The onus would then have been on the communication company to take isue with that. iIcan understand why Kate’s parents would be upset but the worst thing is that it takes the focus off the point in the original article, the insidious nature of depression itself. I am dissapointed in the Irish Times .

    Comment by joe
    66.
    December 21, 2011
    10:01 pm

    Hugh,

    I appreciate your thoughtful reply to my comment and your explanation of Irish Times policy on legal matters.

    I fully understand any concerns regarding defamation, but the apology in this case went beyond what one would expect in a defamation situation by describing specific portions of the original article as non-factual without giving details. This is most unusual – I can’t think of any other Irish Times apology I’ve ever seen in those terms.

    So far I’ve read 4000 words or so from the Irish Times responding to readers’ concerns about the editing decision, but I’m none the wiser as to why this was done, and done in the way it was. It might be legal, or it might not, whatever it was, it was done in accordance with fairness, but we’re asked to take the Irish Times word for this.

    In the Irish Times’ responses we’re told at length about the problems of suicide, depression and the legal constraints on newspapers, anything but the answer to the question – what exactly prompted the IT decision to edit – and the more we see this question being avoided, the more we ask – why? Legal reasons don’t preclude discussion of the decision to edit, surely.

    Why not just say what happened?

    Comment by Ruth Cannon
    67.
    December 23, 2011
    9:14 am

    Pathetic

    Comment by Jack
    68.
    December 23, 2011
    1:54 pm

    ”What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the pneumatic tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of the Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs — to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance. Day by day and almsot minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way ever prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct, nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary. In no case would it have been possible, once the deed was done, to prove that any falsification had taken place. The largest section of the Records Department, far larger than the one on which Winston worked, consisted simply of persons whose duty it was to track down and collect all copies of books, newspapers, and other documents which had been superseded and were due for destruction. A number of the Times which might, because of changes in political alignment, or mistaken prophecies uttered by Big Brother, have been rewritten a dozen times still stood on the files bearing its original date, and no other copy existed to contradict it…..Even the written instructions which Winston received, and which he invariably got rid of as soon as he had dealt with them, never stated or implied that an act of forgery was to be committed: always the reference was to slips, errors, misprints, or misquotations which it was necessary to put right in the interests of accuracy.”
    Been awhile since I’d re-read Orwell’s description of a dystopian ”communications clinic”. Seems as fresh and timely as ever in its warning. Not for nothing did the old Stoics counsel against the touching up of paintings. Because such touching up invariably distorts Truth, Reality, and History, all nebulous enough concepts as Pilate might say to Jesus, without our makin a palimpsest of our written records as soon as they prove embarrassing and inconvenient. Caveat, Mr Linehan. The Times they are a-changing enough without our helping them along.

    Comment by John O'Driscoll
    69.
    December 24, 2011
    3:16 am

    Well said, Ruth (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056467297&page=31). Yours is a very representative view, and it’s refreshing to get your expert opinion on the legal side of things. Kate Fitzgerald never defamed anybody, but The Irish Times has tarnished this deceased lady’s reputation by calling her a liar. The Irish Times has failed to explain how its claim that Kate’s scapegoated article had “significant assertions which were not factual” is not the same as saying she lied. To most people, it is the same.

    This is shameful carry-on by what is the best newspaper in Ireland, a title it continues to possess since this started by virtue of the fact that the opposition is, in reality, non-existent for any educated Irish person. But now, it is educated Irish people who are aghast at how this supposedly “liberal” paper has sacrificed this young woman and tarnished her reputation in order to placate the most “controversial” (is that euphemistic enough?) and best connected public relations person in Irish society. What debts did the key Irish Times personnel owe Terry Prone? Did she do them a favour (or three) back in the day? Whatever it is, the might of Terry Prone and company has, for the moment, won out over the power of a translator and a dance teacher in West Cork, as Tom Fitzgerald eloquently put it.

    The Irish Times has been bought in my home each issue all of my life. It will still be bought by my parents simply because there is no alternative. That is the reality. My Dad, however, couldn’t believe that an editor of The Irish Times had not only edited the final letter of a deceased lady, but that it then issued an apology not to Kate’s family but to her former employer, telling Irish Times readers that Kate Fitzgerald was, in effect, a liar. What a kick in the teeth for that girl’s family when all along it was Peter Murtagh’s article, and not Kate’s, which caused problems for The Irish Times. Kate, a girl whose life was so miserable she ended it at 25 years of age, was the scapegoat.

    The upshot of this is that The Irish Times has lost goodwill for the first time in my memory. For years I have bought it just to support its existence in a media dominated by O’Reilly’s muck, even though I could read it online for free. I admired the way The Irish Times had an Irish language section, and how it stood up for the underdog generally in an educated and progressive manner. This marked it out. This made it unique. I miss the honour, integrity and defence of the underdog which symbolised my Irish Times.

    I fully support Tom and Sally Ann Fitzgerald, and what I believe to be the traditional values of Douglas Gageby’s Irish Times, against editorial actions which become more ethically wrong with each day The Irish Times refuses to have the grace and decency to give them the answers they, and now we, are entitled to have.

    Comment by Aodhán
    70.
    December 24, 2011
    2:46 pm

    Hugh, fair play for making an attempt to address the IT’s failings in this area. I suspect that for most of us, it may be a little bit too late. We expect the Irish Times to treat people better than the way in which they have treated Kate and her family. By stating that her assertions were not factual, you drive the reader to conclude that either she was delusional (mad) or a liar (bad). You also lend your support to her former-employer in endorsing their account.

    You would not have been put in a position where you had to endorse either account had Peter Murtagh’s article not identified her employer. If a mistake has been made, it was by Peter Murtagh or his editors and not Kate, but it is Kate’s article that has been butchered. To undermine somebody’s final words in such a way is unforgiveable.

    We can appreciate that the Irish Times has legal and eithical obligations that must be balanced, but it’s hard to see any line of ethical reasoning that could justify the way that they have deleted her final words and attacked her character. That the sky may fall, let justice be done.

    Comment by Niall
    71.
    December 24, 2011
    4:44 pm

    Thanks Niall for the considered criticism. Thanks also to Ruth andto the other commenters who have serious concerns about unanswered questions and who have articulated those concerns in a civil manner. . A small number of comments have landede here which I have been unable to post due to legal concerns. However, versions of the same posts can be easily found on other sites which may be subject to different constraints.

    I acknowledge the strongly held and widespread view that using the words “not factual” about a piece casts aspersions on the writer of that piece. As Kevin O’Sullivan has pointed out, that is not the view of The Irish Times. Also acknowledged are the criticisms of the all-embracing nature of that statement and its non-specific nature. The criticisms of the editing of the archival record relate to the propriety of 1) making any edits to the archive and 2) specifically editing parts of a particular personal article in a manner which arguably changes the thrust of that piece.

    As stated in the original post, The Irish Times makes no apology for its policy of amending digital versions of articles when circumstances require. We will continue to do so, and it will continue to be accepted practice across most news websites. We will, however, draw some serious and painful lessons about issues such as partial amendments of articles and flagging such changes in the clearest possible way.

    I will be offline for the next couple of days but will try to approve new comments promptly when they come in.

    Comment by Hugh Linehan
    72.
    December 24, 2011
    8:17 pm

    In what way does Kevin O’Sullivan think the words “not factual” regarding a piece do not cast aspersions on the writer of that piece? There is simply no way that the Irish Times would use that formulation of words regarding a living writer – it would be considered libel and you know it. To pretend otherwise is sophistry bordering on the Jesuitical.

    Comment by daniel
    73.
    December 26, 2011
    1:26 pm

    ““significant assertions within the original piece were not factual”.

    That’s the statement I have a problem with. The rest is just words. But that statement, made of a dying person’s testimony as to at least one factor contributing to the condition that led to their death, workplace bullying, is egregious.

    The deceased had not identified their employer, intending that their last published words be anonymous further indicates that there was no malicious intent on the part of the deceased to defame their employer.

    From ancient times and the development of our Western ‘’standards” of law, it is held that a dying person cannot lie about that which they believe to be a causative factor in their death.

    Why then would you baldly state that the deceased had, in fact, lied? What evidence have you as to that, when you appear unable to accept that their own attempts to keep themeselves and their employer anonymous and the fact that they were in any event speaking of something that would ultimately contribute to their own, planned, (it seems, from her mother’s testimony on Newstalk) demise, is true? Isn’t there something called benefit of the doubt? But it would seem that is only afforded to the quick, who can sue, and not the dead.

    I had serious problems with this country before now. I believe it is one of the most profoundly dishonest States and societies I’ve ever known. But I always thought the Irish Times come hell or high water stood for the highest standards of truth. I hope you can again but I feel something has gone.

    Comment by John O'Driscoll
    74.
    December 26, 2011
    7:46 pm

    To those criticising the IT for alleging that some of Kate Fitzgerald’s assertions were not factual, how do you know that they were? And, while it’s easy to attack others for acting in a defensive manner under the threat (however real or immediate) of legal action, would you be willing to allow yourself be put at risk of potentially very large legal damages and costs in order to publish assertions that could not be substantiated?

    The Irish Times has handled this episode appallingly, but, once Kate’s employers were capable of identification, I don’t see how they could have allowed the initial assertions to remain unaltered in the public domain.

    Comment by Simon
    75.
    December 27, 2011
    2:20 am

    Would it mean anything to you in the current context if I were to say Ann Lovett?

    Comment by John O'Driscoll
    76.
    December 28, 2011
    12:33 am

    Maybe you weren’t saying she was lying. Maybe you were saying she was mistaken. I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. Because I’ve never known you to behave dishonourably in any way as a newspaper. I think you’re trying to steer an incredibly difficult course between protecting yourself and trying not to utterly traduce an innocent, dead, young woman who had terrible problems, from what I can see, with the delta between how she wanted to be perceived by others and how she perceived herself. I think you are the best newspaper in the world. NOt just one of the best. The best. But I really think stonewalling this issue is not the way to handle it.

    Comment by John O'Driscoll
    77.
    December 29, 2011
    2:21 pm

    Hugh, had you stated that as kate was no longer here, that you could not stand over the assertions in her e-mail. This would have bee an infinitely better way of dealing with the issue rather than saying that “assertions had not been proved factual”. the only way that could have been proven was if Kate was here.

    However, the butchering of the article and broadsheet’s dogged determination have kept Kate in the public’s mind. it does however, reflect badly on both the IT and the CC, even if the IT’s motives in the first instance were noble. the CC’s reputation is more damaged by this cack handed approach than if they had had have had a considered reply to Kate’s piece

    Comment by ian
    78.
    December 29, 2011
    3:03 pm

    “Editors at The Irish Times are duty-bound to ensure the work they publish does not expose the newspaper to potential legal hazard.” But it’s okay to burn Tribunal documents? Your entire newspaper is characterised by the fact that it lives on drops, and people can bury stories if they threaten to stop them. What was the last bit of decent investigative reporting the Irish Times did?

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